Indiana State

[goon]

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I don't think the RB is the problem, watching the game, he was hit at the line 95% of the time.

Sumner did some things very well, he made a couple of very bad throws, the INT was under thrown and the 2point conversion was under thrown. However the biggest problem with him is his willingness to take hits that he doesn't need to take. Some people love that he has heart to take big hits, but there is a time and a place. Learn to slide or you will be on the sideline hurt. He does better when he is on the move, seemed to not trust the pocket when he was in it (don't blame him). The plays though aren't going to help the QB's. I don't know if I've seen a receiver run a double route this year. I did like when the TE got involved though. But when you only have 2 to 3 running routes and nobody runs a route over 12 yards the QB is going to be put in a tough spot.

Steffen is a freakish athlete. I played baseball against him his jr. year of hs and we talked to him after the game and he told us the majority of the looks he was getting was actually for safety. He got big as heck though his redshirt year and has done a very good job at DE.

Harris' injury just looked freakish. It didn't look like he caught anything, or tripped it looked just as if something gave out.

I have to disagree about sumner taking hits when he runs. We had a qb who was afraid to make contact and running the ball. This team needs some one somewhere on the team to step up and give all out effort all the time. He is an under class man who was put in a tough spot. If you play to avoid injury you play to lose. He made a few mistakes but most of the time plays smart. And if he over throws usually it is long which is good. When he took hits he lowered the shoulder and if anything the LB he hit took the shot more then sumner.

[joeboo22]

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I have to disagree about sumner taking hits when he runs. We had a qb who was afraid to make contact and running the ball. This team needs some one somewhere on the team to step up and give all out effort all the time. He is an under class man who was put in a tough spot. If you play to avoid injury you play to lose. He made a few mistakes but most of the time plays smart. And if he over throws usually it is long which is good. When he took hits he lowered the shoulder and if anything the LB he hit took the shot more then sumner.

I don't have a problem with him taking hits if its for a first down or touchdown or crucial part of the game but when its the 2nd quarter and your looking for contact to gain 1 yard after you have the first it worries me. He just has to understand that, and the coaches have to understand that.

[slosho]

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I'd rather listen to him than Brewster, who is a sideline guy for CBS. I laugh whenever he is mentioned.

Especially when they call him "Coach Brewster" like he ever coached anything worth talking about...

[goon]

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I don't have a problem with him taking hits if its for a first down or touchdown or crucial part of the game but when its the 2nd quarter and your looking for contact to gain 1 yard after you have the first it worries me. He just has to understand that, and the coaches have to understand that.

I understand your point but he isn't going out of his way to find contact if there are other options. He only has time to make 1 or 2 reads if he is lucky before the pocket collapses. He usually rolls out of the pocket as far as I can see and looks to make a play on the run before tucking the ball. Unless the middle has a seam he takes it as far as I can tell. My guess is he is looking to turn something out of nothing instead of accepting nothing as the best option. He has yet to take a bad hit after running imo. He gives a better hit when he runs. I would be more concerned about an injury trying to avoid a sack or make a bad attempt to throw it away if he can at least get positive yards. Plus he is a big qb. Bigger then some of the people trying to tackle him. Well maybe not but they aren't much bigger. Plus it shows his teammates he will take a hit if needed to move the ball. If I was a player I would play harder and give more if I saw a freshman just starting doing everything he can to make a play if there are no other options.

[goon]

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Especially when they call him "Coach Brewster" like he ever coached anything worth talking about...

Slosho. I didn't see you at the game. What gives. I always run into you there.

[SturgisJeff]

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I don't know what is more astounding, your logic or your football knowledge with this post. Stafford is the most injury prone QB in the NFC north. How many seasons has he finished? VandeBosch is constanly hurt along with most of their front 7. And you hold the Lions up as an example? C'mon man. There is an internship on the Jacks staff waiting for you. Why don't the Jacks go back to salt tablets with this logic? Talk to me about the Lion's coaching techniques when they win something. Don't compare them to the Super Bowl Champions. Last time the Lions were in the playoffs, I remember a certain Mr. Favre defeating them on a last second past.

Back to College Football, hard hitting practices aren't necessary after your 4th game. But that is what the Jacks know. Lose and hit harder as if it helps.

calmate buey, Lions fever catching on here. after so many bad seasons and the way the Jacks are playing a guy's got to be happy about one team and talk em up. Sorry they beat your queens.

[Nidaros]

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However the biggest problem with him is his willingness to take hits that he doesn't need to take. Some people love that he has heart to take big hits, but there is a time and a place. Learn to slide or you will be on the sideline hurt.

Maybe TOB did not have time to teach this vital tactic to Sumner. Why does the play just before the half ended at Cal Poly pop into my mind??

[RowdyRabbit]

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Good article on Kyle Harris in this mornings Argus...

http://www.argusleader.com/article/2...ws|text|Sports

Best of luck to him, in his post-Jacks football career.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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T Kool does not have vision as a RB. Zenner looks like a young Minett. Move T Kool opposite Moss and have dual threats outside. Do that and you add talent at two positions. Though I got to admit the called back TD on Kool was cool. Too bad the TE felt the need to hold.

THIS!!! Kool is a very productive WR and Zenner and Kool are pretty equal at the RB position. Find a way to have the best players on the field.

This is obvioulsy not the answer to all our problems but it makes a lot of sense.

We may not be that great of a team but some of the things that have happened are just mind-numbing. Harris' injury was just an exclametion point for me and my heart goes out to him. I've never heard or seen anything like that. What's next? One thing is for sure, this team is due for some good fortune.

SUPERBUNNY

[jackmd]

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Lot of thoughts in my head with the highlights already touched on here. Our D-line is physically overmatched every game we play. Sure, we miss some tackles but a lot of the time we are just plain getting beat by bigger, stronger and faster players. The O-line doesn't seem to be able to establish much control of the LOS. Decent pass protection but limited running room. Sumner will force the LB's and secondary to respect the pass but at this point our O-line isn't able to take advantage. Kool isn't a RB at this level, time to abandon that at let him play in the slot. Zenner is the man for the RB spot. Our secondary isn't great but they would be good enough if we had any pass rush.

Too many stupid penalties, especially blocks in the back. I've brought it up before and I'm convinced that we block in the back on kick returns or at least get called for it, more than any other team at any level of football in the entire world!!

The officials screwed up a whole bunch of calls on both sides of the ball and should be reprimanded in some way. They need to do a better job.

[goon]

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Too many stupid penalties, especially blocks in the back. I've brought it up before and I'm convinced that we block in the back on kick returns or at least get called for it, more than any other team at any level of football in the entire world!!

The officials screwed up a whole bunch of calls on both sides of the ball and should be reprimanded in some way. They need to do a better job.

Holding on Oline or block in the back in the return game could probably be called almost on every team on every play. It does seem strange we get it called so much.

If Stig is out there yelling at the Refs, they must not have been doing well. when he gets animated yelling at them, they probably missed or screwed something up. He doesnt yell much IMO so he knew they were doing a bad job.

[sfjacksfan99]

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Loss for words. Most of which has been touched on. Kicking <26 yard field goals just isn't going to cut it. Why Kool was in inside the 10 and they kept feeding him the ball between the tackles is beyond me. And then he scores a TD (running outside) and they get called for holding. Jacks would have led at halftime if a Minett-type back was in there. And taking Moss out in the red zone is just dumb. ISU's CB's were dwarfs to him. Sumner looks fine. Some overthrows (and an underthrow on the 2 pt conversion), but for the most part, decent. Needs a running game to help the cause.

The wheels on the defense just fell off. They contained Bell pretty much the whole first half. I don't know the numbers, but obviously his 2nd half numbers had to have been staggering. And how a little back like that can carry the Jacks linebackers 5+ yards is just stupid.

Play(s) of the game. After cutting it to 17-15 ISU has the ball at about their own 30. 2nd and 8 and ISU gets called for holding, goes to 2nd and 18, they get 10 yards but called for a penalty again and it's 2nd and 26. They get 27 yards the next play. WTF?! Then they proceed to score. 20/20 hindsight, but you should probably decline the 2nd penalty because it still would have been 3rd and 9 with the yardage they got on 2nd and 18. You have to believe your defense can stop 3rd and 9 at least 80% of the time. Seriously. Then the pick-6. This was not a TOB pick-6 where a DB picks it off in the flat and has nothing but green in front of him. I swear every player on the Jacks team had a shot to tackle that guy. Have to make that tackle.

Disheartening. I really thought after the defense came to show ISU's who's house they were in after they held firm after getting stuck between a rock and a hard spot on the two very short fields ISU got in the first quarter. Even with the TD drive at the end of the first half and down 10-9 at half I was confident. That was squashed like a bug by the end of the 3rd quarter.

The holes in this sinking ship need to be fixed in a hurry. The first hole that needs a big plug is the defense, IMO.

[slosho]

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Slosho. I didn't see you at the game. What gives. I always run into you there.

I was there... screamin at the ref's per normal.

[joeboo22]

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Maybe TOB did not have time to teach this vital tactic to Sumner. Why does the play just before the half ended at Cal Poly pop into my mind??

I said hits he doesn't need to take. there was a few times where it looked like he went looking to get hit. That only last so long. I do think a lot of it is on the line though, seemed like he was bailing out early at times.

[mitchellrabbit]

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I was there... screamin at the ref's per normal.

No wonder their conferences took so long. They couldnt hear each other talk with you screamin at them. : )
And just why were they getting together everytime there was a penalty? Why when Ind St had 3 or was it 4 penalties on one play, did it take them 5 minutes to decide what to do. It was like they needed a 10 minute coffee break for each flag.