Indiana State

[TailGatr]

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Moss took his spot, so why not put him on returns or a slot. Super Quick! We do not a have a deep route in the playbook. We need to score quick at the end of the game and we run the ball and throw screens.

RabbitNation, that is about the smartest post i have seen. Tiefenthaler went from starting and Stig singing his praises in the paper to getting maybe 7 plays a game. I know he has a wrist injury but I hear it doesn't stop him from catching the ball. He is the only receiver that can create separation! Put your best and fastest players out there! I have always thought you go deep to stretch the D, but we don't have one play in the playbook that does that. Just wait until the UNI db's play us! They will jam us at the line and sit on our 5-yd outs all day long!

At least the tailgate was worth it!

[goon]

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I don't think we have to go to the spread offense, we just need to be less predictable. I think it's a misconception that playing a physical game on offense means you have to be bland.

I've watched Stanford the past couple weeks and have fallen in love with how they call their offense game. There is a balance between the run and the pass, and even if the defense knows there is a high probability of a run they don't know where and how its going to happen (they pull linemen, do misdirections, and run to all areas of the field). They also pass out of running formations and run out of passing formations, so they don't tip there hand, and they wear down opposing defenses, which means they generally break the game wide open in the second half.

Brookings is located in a region where there is an abundance of linemen and shortage on speed, so I don't know if being a team relying heavily on the spread is a good thing. I'm not saying we should never spread a team out, I'm just saying we shouldn't be one dimensional either way, as it's a good way to get exposed.

I feel that way too. We use to run an offense that was similar to that description back when Berry was qb imo. We have gone along way from that. A friend and I were talking about how good those teams were and how much different they look compared to now.

[bigticket1]

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Am still trying to figure out why that during our many trips in the red zone,with two big receivers(Rollin at 6'1 and Moss at 6'4,and a great leaper) going up against the two midget(both barely 5'9) ISU corners that Sumner didn't just lay it up and create some jump ball type situations - couldn't have been much less effective than what they were running. Moss wasn't even on the field during a lot of the red zone plays.

[shot_5533]

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I feel that way too. We use to run an offense that was similar to that description back when Berry was qb imo. We have gone along way from that. A friend and I were talking about how good those teams were and how much different they look compared to now.

Wilkenson was coordinator back then. Now he coordinates for Colorado State.

T Kool does not have vision as a RB. Zenner looks like a young Minett. Move T Kool opposite Moss and have dual threats outside. Do that and you add talent at two positions. Though I got to admit the called back TD on Kool was cool. Too bad the TE felt the need to hold.

The QB played well in my opinion but I don't have access to film.

Recievers still could quit dropping the ball too.

O-line is a merry go round/Chinese fire drill. The starters are lucky to play about half the time. The Jacks must be smarter than everyother team in America with their mass O line substitution pattern. They could be better but you got a lot of second stringers playing at any one time. Enough of the stupid penalties already.

I love the comment about recruiting linebackers to play D tacle. But Steffen, an old QB, turned into a pretty good DE.

The linebackers, especially Lien, played Ok. Lien sure can get some deep drops on pass plays.

DB's need to cover the middle of the field on 3rd and long.

Harris's injury...was it due to the field condition? What a freak occurance. I've never seen it happen before. I was nervous about the back up kickers, but they did fine.

Coaching - There is only one thing to add to the items already posted and pointed out. An item that Stig commented on and pointed out was injuries to the front 7. What did the Jacks do last week? They had an extremely tough and physical practice. What did they do for fall camp? They had extremely tough and physical practices. Injuries? Coincidence? Take a small D line and linebackers and constanly pound them week after week with you 300 + lb. O linemen. Old school coaching. Mike McCarty of the Packers, among other coaches, is practicing with less contact with the intent of keeping his players healthy. Spring ball is the best time for excess contact, not during the season.

[KI DRIVER]

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Mike McCarty of the Packers, among other coaches, is practicing with less contact with the intent of keeping his players healthy. Spring ball is the best time for excess contact, not during the season.



exactly, it's the middle of the year. no need to beat the snot out of the players at this time of the year.

[SturgisJeff]

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Mike McCarty of the Packers, among other coaches, is practicing with less contact with the intent of keeping his players healthy. Spring ball is the best time for excess contact, not during the season.



exactly, it's the middle of the year. no need to beat the snot out of the players at this time of the year.

the Lions used to do that, no pads light contact. 0-16 now they use pads and contact. 4-0

[RabbitObsessed]

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the Lions used to do that, no pads light contact. 0-16 now they use pads and contact. 4-0

Yes, practicing with contact is what made the Lions better and not changes in the front office and an influx of talent through the draft.

Just like practicing without contact is why the Packers are good and not having one of the best young QBs in the league.

[SturgisJeff]

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your right, but it was also the change from a sloppy, lazy work ethic by some very good coaches and a change in the loser mentality that resulted in a change from Millen, Mariuchi, and Martz to Schultz, Mayhew, and the rest to go out and get some hard nosed football players who from the last two weeks don't look like they know the word quit. the old Lions would have folded in those two games. watching them now. the more it looks bad the harder they play. there are still players left over from those days and the taste of winning makes them play harder. but it also brings out their flaws and maybe who you thought was a great player back then is only a good player now.

[Just in the crowd]

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If I am not mistaken this refs also ref basketball for the summit league.

I ran each of their names, none came up as basketball referees.

http://statsheet.com/

[shot_5533]

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the Lions used to do that, no pads light contact. 0-16 now they use pads and contact. 4-0

I don't know what is more astounding, your logic or your football knowledge with this post. Stafford is the most injury prone QB in the NFC north. How many seasons has he finished? VandeBosch is constanly hurt along with most of their front 7. And you hold the Lions up as an example? C'mon man. There is an internship on the Jacks staff waiting for you. Why don't the Jacks go back to salt tablets with this logic? Talk to me about the Lion's coaching techniques when they win something. Don't compare them to the Super Bowl Champions. Last time the Lions were in the playoffs, I remember a certain Mr. Favre defeating them on a last second past.

Back to College Football, hard hitting practices aren't necessary after your 4th game. But that is what the Jacks know. Lose and hit harder as if it helps.

[KI DRIVER]

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your right, but it was also the change from a sloppy, lazy work ethic by some very good coaches and a change in the loser mentality that resulted in a change from Millen, Mariuchi, and Martz to Schultz, Mayhew, and the rest to go out and get some hard nosed football players who from the last two weeks don't look like they know the word quit. the old Lions would have folded in those two games. watching them now. the more it looks bad the harder they play. there are still players left over from those days and the taste of winning makes them play harder. but it also brings out their flaws and maybe who you thought was a great player back then is only a good player now.

matt millen was the best thing the ever happened to the nfc north. now he's on one of the nfl or college shows giving his expert opinion. he's far from being an expert. i know i saw him on some show, i just don't remember which one.

[Chains]

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Mike McCarty of the Packers, among other coaches, is practicing with less contact with the intent of keeping his players healthy. Spring ball is the best time for excess contact, not during the season.



exactly, it's the middle of the year. no need to beat the snot out of the players at this time of the year.

I do know that with the new collective bargaining contract in the NFL teams can only practice so many times with pads. The balance of the season no pads at all. The St. John's Johnnies never were pads in practive and they have been very successful. Not say either is right or wrond but that different teams have a varied approach to practice.

Another difficult loss to swallow. This team is a eyelash away from being 0 and 5. That two point conversion was really close to another loss for the Jacks

Another week and another game. Good luck Jacks

GBGBGJ

[RabbitObsessed]

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matt millen was the best thing the ever happened to the nfc north. now he's on one of the nfl or college shows giving his expert opinion. he's far from being an expert. i know i saw him on some show, i just don't remember which one.

I'd rather listen to him than Brewster, who is a sideline guy for CBS. I laugh whenever he is mentioned.

[jackdaniel]

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DB's need to cover the middle of the field on 3rd and long.

They should at least know where the first down mark is on 3rd and 30 yds.What good does it do to work your butt off to force 3rd and 30, if you let them get a first down on a last chance 3rd down play.That was ridiculous to let them get open on third down with that much time to make sure they were on their guy like a glove after about 20 yds.That should have led to a punt and our possession,instead,they kept the ball to waste more time off the clock.

[joeboo22]

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Wilkenson was coordinator back then. Now he coordinates for Colorado State.

T Kool does not have vision as a RB. Zenner looks like a young Minett. Move T Kool opposite Moss and have dual threats outside. Do that and you add talent at two positions. Though I got to admit the called back TD on Kool was cool. Too bad the TE felt the need to hold.

The QB played well in my opinion but I don't have access to film.

Recievers still could quit dropping the ball too.

O-line is a merry go round/Chinese fire drill. The starters are lucky to play about half the time. The Jacks must be smarter than everyother team in America with their mass O line substitution pattern. They could be better but you got a lot of second stringers playing at any one time. Enough of the stupid penalties already.

I love the comment about recruiting linebackers to play D tacle. But Steffen, an old QB, turned into a pretty good DE.

The linebackers, especially Lien, played Ok. Lien sure can get some deep drops on pass plays.

DB's need to cover the middle of the field on 3rd and long.

Harris's injury...was it due to the field condition? What a freak occurance. I've never seen it happen before. I was nervous about the back up kickers, but they did fine.

Coaching - There is only one thing to add to the items already posted and pointed out. An item that Stig commented on and pointed out was injuries to the front 7. What did the Jacks do last week? They had an extremely tough and physical practice. What did they do for fall camp? They had extremely tough and physical practices. Injuries? Coincidence? Take a small D line and linebackers and constanly pound them week after week with you 300 + lb. O linemen. Old school coaching. Mike McCarty of the Packers, among other coaches, is practicing with less contact with the intent of keeping his players healthy. Spring ball is the best time for excess contact, not during the season.

I don't think the RB is the problem, watching the game, he was hit at the line 95% of the time.

Sumner did some things very well, he made a couple of very bad throws, the INT was under thrown and the 2point conversion was under thrown. However the biggest problem with him is his willingness to take hits that he doesn't need to take. Some people love that he has heart to take big hits, but there is a time and a place. Learn to slide or you will be on the sideline hurt. He does better when he is on the move, seemed to not trust the pocket when he was in it (don't blame him). The plays though aren't going to help the QB's. I don't know if I've seen a receiver run a double route this year. I did like when the TE got involved though. But when you only have 2 to 3 running routes and nobody runs a route over 12 yards the QB is going to be put in a tough spot.

Steffen is a freakish athlete. I played baseball against him his jr. year of hs and we talked to him after the game and he told us the majority of the looks he was getting was actually for safety. He got big as heck though his redshirt year and has done a very good job at DE.

Harris' injury just looked freakish. It didn't look like he caught anything, or tripped it looked just as if something gave out.