Indiana State

[Prairiehaas]

Re: Indiana State

Yah, nobody touched the returner

Overall, I saw a team that was a bit disorganized on offense. And, offensive play calling that was limited, I assume due to an inexperienced QB. Tough to call play action in the second start of a freshman QB. With better timing and a bit more time in backfield the playbook could be opened up and this offense could become dangerous.

On the defensive side I saw LBs too often out of position to stop the running game. It seemed once the RB pentrated the line (which BTW the line prevented quite a bit) the tackle was made too often by Luxa. ISU was reading the LB and splitting the G&T for big gains when the LB went outside to rush.


As for the calls for Stig's job. I think those calling for that should apply for the job rather than talk.

[Kemo]

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Was there any explanation for that punt in the first half? Our returner got ran into, causing him to muff the punt. There was a flag thrown, but something else was called on ISU. So initially, the ref said that ISU had the ball and the penalty backed them up the 27. Then, magically, they had the ball on the six. I have no idea what happened there. Anyone have an explanation.

Coach Stig said in his post game press conference that the refs told him nobody touched the returner...

And the flag, if I remember right, was for a personal foul, though I never saw the play or who it was on.

[RabbitObsessed]

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and who appoints the refs to the game? send in the game film to the MVFC and don't let those refs work as a crew again. they didn't lose the game for the Jacks but they sure didn't help either.

Was there any explanation for that punt in the first half? Our returner got ran into, causing him to muff the punt. There was a flag thrown, but something else was called on ISU. So initially, the ref said that ISU had the ball and the penalty backed them up the 27. Then, magically, they had the ball on the six. I have no idea what happened there. Anyone have an explanation.

[goon]

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I guess we disagree about the importance of speed. Great teams have it.

Where did I say it wasn't important? I think this teams issues has more to do with coaching and players being mentally strong then it does about lack of team speed. Being a faster team right now would not do much to fix what's wrong. Remember when we made the playoffs? I don't know if they were any faster then this current team.

[KUlawJack]

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I was just glad to see a QB who is fearless and who extends plays with his feet. The guy's a freshman in his second game, and he was the standout player on the team last night. Was he perfect? No. But he was very good. Seems like everyone agrees that he's going to be a really good one. I thought he was fun to watch, and I was amazed at his ability to slide around and extend plays without panicking. If he can stay healthy, he'll rewrite the record books around here.How many teams have we seen come into CAS and have a chance to win because of good QB play? So long as we have that, we've got a chance. And I think we have a solid class of RS freshmen to build on. Here's the key thing that people need to understand: Sure, question play calls and coaching. The coaches know that comes with the territory. But until we move up from last in the league in budget, fill out our coaching staff and get some new facilities, we're not going to be an every-year contender. We'll be up and down. Down this year. I'd be willing to bet that we'll be on an upswing for the next three years.

You are right JJ, money and facilities do make a difference.

[jacks1]

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I haven't heard Stig say one good thing about Sumner. Do they have a beef with each other? Is there more going on behind the scenes then we know, especially given the TOB story?

It at least makes you wonder. I mean this is a coach who was still going to throw TOB to the wolves vs. Ill St had TOB not quit. Think about that. Sticking with a qb whose heart wasn't in it (TOB's words, not mine) and whose performance was not worthy of a starting spot...

[da_coach]

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I was just glad to see a QB who is fearless and who extends plays with his feet. The guy's a freshman in his second game, and he was the standout player on the team last night. Was he perfect? No. But he was very good. Seems like everyone agrees that he's going to be a really good one. I thought he was fun to watch, and I was amazed at his ability to slide around and extend plays without panicking. If he can stay healthy, he'll rewrite the record books around here.

How many teams have we seen come into CAS and have a chance to win because of good QB play? So long as we have that, we've got a chance. And I think we have a solid class of RS freshmen to build on.

Here's the key thing that people need to understand: Sure, question play calls and coaching. The coaches know that comes with the territory. But until we move up from last in the league in budget, fill out our coaching staff and get some new facilities, we're not going to be an every-year contender. We'll be up and down. Down this year. I'd be willing to bet that we'll be on an upswing for the next three years.

Very Solid Post.
This is sad, but true.
If you don't have the $ and facilities, you aren't going to be a consistent winner.

[Nidaros]

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Im not so sure Mo St will be a win. They lost to So Ill by just a couple last week. I guess i only hope that we can get better each week and dont get too embarrassed by UNI. Maybe pull an upset, either NDSU or So Ill. Maybe im asking for too much.

I watched Mo St against UNI yesterday on Mediacomm, I would say we are even. Mo St made some real blunders which UNI capitalized on. I for one am not throwing the Jacks under the bus this early in the season. No you are not asking too much, we have not played those games so technically we cant ring them up in the loss column.

[mitchellrabbit]

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we win one more game this year, Missouri State and that's it. and who appoints the refs to the game? send in the game film to the MVFC and don't let those refs work as a crew again. they didn't lose the game for the Jacks but they sure didn't help either. this is a sad looking team, Sumner as a qb will be outstanding when he gets some more games under his belt. guy can give a hit just as good as taking one. wouldn't be surprised to see him start taking over the offense on his own and running more like Martinez does at Neb.

Im not so sure Mo St will be a win. They lost to So Ill by just a couple last week. I guess i only hope that we can get better each week and dont get too embarrassed by UNI. Maybe pull an upset, either NDSU or So Ill. Maybe im asking for too much.

[Nidaros]

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I was just glad to see a QB who is fearless and who extends plays with his feet. The guy's a freshman in his second game, and he was the standout player on the team last night. Was he perfect? No. But he was very good. Seems like everyone agrees that he's going to be a really good one. I thought he was fun to watch, and I was amazed at his ability to slide around and extend plays without panicking. If he can stay healthy, he'll rewrite the record books around here.

How many teams have we seen come into CAS and have a chance to win because of good QB play? So long as we have that, we've got a chance. And I think we have a solid class of RS freshmen to build on.

Here's the key thing that people need to understand: Sure, question play calls and coaching. The coaches know that comes with the territory. But until we move up from last in the league in budget, fill out our coaching staff and get some new facilities, we're not going to be an every-year contender. We'll be up and down. Down this year. I'd be willing to bet that we'll be on an upswing for the next three years.

JJ:
I am with you 100 per cent on your comments especially the budget comment. There are still empty chairs at the Difference Makers Meetings in Brookings on Tuesday evenings. It costs 500 bucks minimum and if you are under age 30, the cost is 300. This money is used for tutors for players, hiring coaches and other things that are to make a difference. At this level our needs are much different than they were at D2. Unless you have been under a rock for the past fives, I think you are well aware of the needs.


I counted sixty names in last nights program which if each gave a minimum of 500 bucks there would be as a ball park figure 30k going into the budget. There are generous donors among this group who might of given more than 500 dollars, so the amount raised might be higher.

Its not about getting the inside dope that matters, its what your gift is being used for. It all goes towards the football budget. You dont have to be in Brookings every Tuesday to attend, but if we are concerned about the budget, Coach Stig would appreciate your helping out. Its also a tax deduction on Schedule A Form 1040.

[RowdyRabbit]

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I haven't heard Stig say one good thing about Sumner. Do they have a beef with each other? Is there more going on behind the scenes then we know, especially given the TOB story?

All Stig said was he couldn't say how he performed until he watched the tape. That's what he's always said about anyone when asked right after the game. If he constantly says bad stuff after watching the tape, I'll be concerned.

I thought Sumner looked pretty good. Didn't have much time a lot of the time.

[JimmyJack]

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I was just glad to see a QB who is fearless and who extends plays with his feet. The guy's a freshman in his second game, and he was the standout player on the team last night. Was he perfect? No. But he was very good. Seems like everyone agrees that he's going to be a really good one. I thought he was fun to watch, and I was amazed at his ability to slide around and extend plays without panicking. If he can stay healthy, he'll rewrite the record books around here.

How many teams have we seen come into CAS and have a chance to win because of good QB play? So long as we have that, we've got a chance. And I think we have a solid class of RS freshmen to build on.

Here's the key thing that people need to understand: Sure, question play calls and coaching. The coaches know that comes with the territory. But until we move up from last in the league in budget, fill out our coaching staff and get some new facilities, we're not going to be an every-year contender. We'll be up and down. Down this year. I'd be willing to bet that we'll be on an upswing for the next three years.

[SturgisJeff]

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we win one more game this year, Missouri State and that's it. and who appoints the refs to the game? send in the game film to the MVFC and don't let those refs work as a crew again. they didn't lose the game for the Jacks but they sure didn't help either. this is a sad looking team, Sumner as a qb will be outstanding when he gets some more games under his belt. guy can give a hit just as good as taking one. wouldn't be surprised to see him start taking over the offense on his own and running more like Martinez does at Neb.

[joeboo22]

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I'm not going to say having a QB willing to take a hit is a bad thing, but you don't want your QB taking some of the hits Sumner took tonight especially considering a few of them could have been avoided. QB's can have all the heart you want but if they are out with broken bones and concussions they can't help much.

The flash play was a horrible call. It was 2nd and goal from like the 12.

When it comes to coaching I have 2 big problems. 1 is the offense it seems like the play calling just puts the QB in a bad situation. A lot of high risk, low reward plays, no running game, bad route calls, and so on. Its as if SDSU is living in the 80's I remember watching something on Nebraska during the 80's and Osbourne said he could win with less talented players and a more simple offense because he had a better weight program and was tougher on his kids. The problem is now everyone has a weight program, and you need talent. Not saying SDSU doesn't have any, but since SDSU is not tougher, and not more talented then other teams they can't run the most vanilla offense I've ever seen. I saw more creativity at a 9man football game then I did with SDSU's offense.

The second problem is with recruiting. The secondary is unacceptable. You have Bo Helm who is more of a strong safety then anything playing corner (not to rag on him because he is atleast trying but he shouldn't be in that position), and they hardly ever shuffle anyone in. I understand they had a couple of RFR flunk out, get kicked out or leave the team unexpected but why hasn't SDSU got that BCS level transfer yet? Its as if SDSU isn't even trying in that field. Look at Indiana State, they got 1 transfer QB and yeah there were other parts but they turned things around. If SDSU got 1 transfer DB they wouldn't give up so many 3rd and 18's. You don't have to get Russell MArtin or Cam Newton but really there are a ton of BCS level transfers and the only one I even saw SDSU mentioned with was Tate Forcier. Hit up a JuCo, hit up a BCS transfer, take risk.

END OF RANT

[KUlawJack]

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If we ever want to get to the next level, Stig needs to go. Recruiting linebackers to play defensive tackle doesn't work at this level.

Sadly, this a correct answer. I heard from at least 4 former players tonight, before, during, and after the game that have the same opinion. As TK said below, these guys don't buy the "belief" angle anymore because our coaches are putting them in terrible, terrible spots. Plus, we aren't good enough at any position to make up for that. We aren't a good team. The one bright spot is under center and that's because that kid has heart. He makes mistakes and had some errors but the passion he brings needs to rub off on the rest. He was begging for the ball on a qb run from the 2 in the first half should have given it to him.I'm pleased he will be our qb for the next 3 years but I hope we have guys around him to make a difference.Also, our defense flat sucks. That's also a coaching issue. They know the players we have but we continue to put them at disadvantages. Maybe that's all we have. But again, if that's the best we have tell me who I need to bitch at for such poor recruiting.