Indiana State

[bigticket1]

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Am still trying to figure out why that during our many trips in the red zone,with two big receivers(Rollin at 6'1 and Moss at 6'4,and a great leaper) going up against the two midget(both barely 5'9) ISU corners that Sumner didn't just lay it up and create some jump ball type situations - couldn't have been much less effective than what they were running. Moss wasn't even on the field during a lot of the red zone plays.

[goon]

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I don't think we have to go to the spread offense, we just need to be less predictable. I think it's a misconception that playing a physical game on offense means you have to be bland.

I've watched Stanford the past couple weeks and have fallen in love with how they call their offense game. There is a balance between the run and the pass, and even if the defense knows there is a high probability of a run they don't know where and how its going to happen (they pull linemen, do misdirections, and run to all areas of the field). They also pass out of running formations and run out of passing formations, so they don't tip there hand, and they wear down opposing defenses, which means they generally break the game wide open in the second half.

Brookings is located in a region where there is an abundance of linemen and shortage on speed, so I don't know if being a team relying heavily on the spread is a good thing. I'm not saying we should never spread a team out, I'm just saying we shouldn't be one dimensional either way, as it's a good way to get exposed.

I feel that way too. We use to run an offense that was similar to that description back when Berry was qb imo. We have gone along way from that. A friend and I were talking about how good those teams were and how much different they look compared to now.

[TailGatr]

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Moss took his spot, so why not put him on returns or a slot. Super Quick! We do not a have a deep route in the playbook. We need to score quick at the end of the game and we run the ball and throw screens.

RabbitNation, that is about the smartest post i have seen. Tiefenthaler went from starting and Stig singing his praises in the paper to getting maybe 7 plays a game. I know he has a wrist injury but I hear it doesn't stop him from catching the ball. He is the only receiver that can create separation! Put your best and fastest players out there! I have always thought you go deep to stretch the D, but we don't have one play in the playbook that does that. Just wait until the UNI db's play us! They will jam us at the line and sit on our 5-yd outs all day long!

At least the tailgate was worth it!

[rjacks21]

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Did anyone watch the game? Sumner is more than capable of anything the coaches have designed. Play action is easy to him. Its the fact you run a two receiver set where they can't get open because there is always help! Run a four or five wide set and run flat routes as your passes! Its not brain science. Loom at major colleges everything is spread or at least 80 percent if them are.

Agree 100%. Unfortunately Captain Nutmeg thinks that's fancy "communist ball".

[Kemo]

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I don't think we have to go to the spread offense, we just need to be less predictable. I think it's a misconception that playing a physical game on offense means you have to be bland.

I've watched Stanford the past couple weeks and have fallen in love with how they call their offense game. There is a balance between the run and the pass, and even if the defense knows there is a high probability of a run they don't know where and how its going to happen (they pull linemen, do misdirections, and run to all areas of the field). They also pass out of running formations and run out of passing formations, so they don't tip there hand, and they wear down opposing defenses, which means they generally break the game wide open in the second half.

Brookings is located in a region where there is an abundance of linemen and shortage on speed, so I don't know if being a team relying heavily on the spread is a good thing. I'm not saying we should never spread a team out, I'm just saying we shouldn't be one dimensional either way, as it's a good way to get exposed.

[WestSideRabbit]

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For me three things stood out.
1. Dale Moss and Sumner are our best players on either side of the ball. Its scary to think how good Moss could have been had he been part of the program all 5 years. Sumner is only going to get better.
2. Our defensive line is too small and linebackers too slow. Against a run heavy team like ISU those offensie linemen just wear down our small dl.
3. Our offensive line is not living up to their potential. All we have heard about this group is how great they are. Its time to step up fellas.

I had a great time at tailgating yesterday and it was fun to have such a large and lively crowd at the begining yesterday, but it was such a weird begining that we were lucky to even be in the game at halftime.

[goon]

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we win one more game this year, Missouri State and that's it. and who appoints the refs to the game? send in the game film to the MVFC and don't let those refs work as a crew again. they didn't lose the game for the Jacks but they sure didn't help either. this is a sad looking team, Sumner as a qb will be outstanding when he gets some more games under his belt. guy can give a hit just as good as taking one. wouldn't be surprised to see him start taking over the offense on his own and running more like Martinez does at Neb.

If I am not mistaken this refs also ref basketball for the summit league.

[RabbitObsessed]

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Did anyone watch the game? Sumner is more than capable of anything the coaches have designed. Play action is easy to him. Its the fact you run a two receiver set where they can't get open because there is always help! Run a four or five wide set and run flat routes as your passes! Its not brain science. Loom at major colleges everything is spread or at least 80 percent if them are.

Yep. 2 WR sets with 2 TE/FBs and a RB in the backfield is a high school offense. Spread it out.

[timeforachange]

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Did anyone watch the game? Sumner is more than capable of anything the coaches have designed. Play action is easy to him. Its the fact you run a two receiver set where they can't get open because there is always help! Run a four or five wide set and run flat routes as your passes! Its not brain science. Loom at major colleges everything is spread or at least 80 percent if them are.

[Prairiehaas]

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Seems like the playbook expanded a bit in this game. I think that will continue as the coaches, backs and line get more comfortable with Sumner under center. Was nice also to see fewer short passes to the sidelines.

[RabbitObsessed]

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There was also play action on the ball to Dale Moss over the middle in the second half. Seems to me like it works. By the way, the constant dive plays are absolutely brutal. Over and over and over and over.

[jackdaniel]

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This is the narcotic affect that success brings to any program,it's hard to maintain that level,and anything less is unacceptable.But it's the nature of sports to strive to be better than everyone else i guess.Sorry for the philosophical rambling....

[Prairiehaas]

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It's been quite a few years since I played FB. I don't claim to have stayed in a Holiday Inn. But I do know that exchanges and misdirections take significant timing. Just because the players know how a play is to be run doesn't mean they are necessarily ready to execute. Had the coaching staff opened up the play book and had that resulted in a fumble or two in the backfield there would've been significant wailing and gnashing.

I'm just saying that is appeared to me the choices of plays called last night had much to do with keeping the new, talented and very inexperienced QB from being put in bad situations.

[Kemo]

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Overall, I saw a team that was a bit disorganized on offense. And, offensive play calling that was limited, I assume due to an inexperienced QB. Tough to call play action in the second start of a freshman QB. With better timing and a bit more time in backfield the playbook could be opened up and this offense could become dangerous.

The play action is an incredibly simple concept that any college QB should be able to understand and should be used especially because we have a young QB. We ran it on our 4th goal line appearance (a bootleg to be exact) and there was not 1, but 2 wide open receivers. If that isn't helping out your young QB I don't know what is.

[joeboo22]

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Yah, nobody touched the returner

Overall, I saw a team that was a bit disorganized on offense. And, offensive play calling that was limited, I assume due to an inexperienced QB. Tough to call play action in the second start of a freshman QB. With better timing and a bit more time in backfield the playbook could be opened up and this offense could become dangerous.

On the defensive side I saw LBs too often out of position to stop the running game. It seemed once the RB pentrated the line (which BTW the line prevented quite a bit) the tackle was made too often by Luxa. ISU was reading the LB and splitting the G&T for big gains when the LB went outside to rush.


As for the calls for Stig's job. I think those calling for that should apply for the job rather than talk.

People said the play calling was bad because O'Brien couldn't run the full playbook, now its bad because we have a freshman QB? Maybe its just bad because nobody on the coaching staff knows how to run an offense. If you can't run a play-action because the QB is a freshman he shouldn't be the QB. Now you could say they can't run a play-action because the line can't block that long and you don't want him to get killed, but even then we have to get more creative. In the past the SDSU defense and special teams could win games and the offense just didn't have to lose them. But right now that is not the case meaning the offense has to do more. I would rather have the QB struggle, throw an INT, get sacked, so on trying to run an A+ game plan then to have good stats running 2 yard outs all day and handing it off with dive plays.