NDSU v. IUPUI

[1stRowFANatic]

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Forum article.
http://bit.ly/aloRxy
Key points: Other Bison fans apologized. Two of three in question were NOT students.

Broader question (and not Bison specific): When did rudness become synonymous with fandom?

About the same time that rudeness started to be considered entertaining. I blame it on the lady from the Weakest Link, it is the first show I can remember being centered around someone being rude to everyone else on the show.

[bub94]

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About the same time that rudeness started to be considered entertaining. I blame it on the lady from the Weakest Link, it is the first show I can remember being centered around someone being rude to everyone else on the show.

You know what I have to say to you? Some village lost it's idiot. GOODBYE!!! :-) She actually used that one once.(also liked someone's a couple fries short of a happy meal) I actually got a kick out of the comments, just because I saw an interview with the lady one time and she is nothing like the TV personality she was hired to play.

[ndsubison1]

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A few points:

- I find it hard to believe no one on the event staff heard what was going on.

However, that's done with. I think the principle of 'visible enforcement' will keep things from being a problem going forward, and I'm pretty sure the officer at the end of the bench will be able to toss rabble rousers.

- Hunter said he didn't want to have the players tossed because that might have revved up the rest of the crowd, and/or the Bison.

- Did you -hear- Hunter say that? I'd be willing to bet that the only people that heard what was said were already compromised by participation in the verbal abuse.

I'd recommend listening to the Hunter interview if you haven't already. Guy took pains to separate these guys from NDSU fans in general, from the NDSU administration, and he did not repeat anything they said.

Ron Hunter specifically said: "you better watch it boy or you'll get your ass whooped. Nothing racial was said. The people who were apart of it do need to tone it down. The security should now take care of that. But Hunter did overreact and made a mountain out of a mole hill.

[1stRowFANatic]

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You know what I have to say to you? Some village lost it's idiot. GOODBYE!!! :-) She actually used that one once.(also liked someone's a couple fries short of a happy meal) I actually got a kick out of the comments, just because I saw an interview with the lady one time and she is nothing like the TV personality she was hired to play.

I heard some interviews also and that was my point, her being rude was considered the entertainment of the show. I never got that.

[HoboJack]

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Nothing racial was said. The people who were apart of it do need to tone it down. The security should now take care of that. But Hunter did overreact and made a mountain out of a mole hill.

This is precisely the issue in my opinion. No one really has a right to tell Mr. Hunter or his players what they may find offensive. Whether or not something is offensive is in the ear and mind of the listener, not necessarily in the heart of the the speaker. It doesn't have to be malicious by the speaker to be considered offensive by the listener. Its possible that an inner-city youth from a large Metro area may be offended by something that someone of the same race who was raised in a suburban area might not be.

The ironic thing to me is this is nearly identical to the nickname argument at UND. I wonder where most NDSU fans that are defending this stand on that issue.

[1stRowFANatic]

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The ironic thing to me is this is nearly identical to the nickname argument at UND. I wonder where most NDSU fans that are defending this stand on that issue.

rep worthy & given.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Ron Hunter specifically said: "you better watch it boy or you'll get your ass whooped. Nothing racial was said. The people who were apart of it do need to tone it down. The security should now take care of that. But Hunter did overreact and made a mountain out of a mole hill.

If it really were a mole hill there would be no need to tone it down or security changes.

It absolutely slays me that in today's society people can't just say, "what happened was wrong and whatever happened should be fixed. Please accept my apology, it won't happen again" It has to be quantified with a "but" somehow or another.

[FargoBison]

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If a coach or anyone is saying racial comments happened, something has to be done, even if you know that it is a nonevent. That is the world we live in today.

This is nothing like UND's situation, kids heckle the other team in college gyms across the country. Usually coaches are smart enough to ignore it, sadly Hunter acted like a college aged kid on Thursday night.

No racial comments were made, just heckling. Both Hunter and the fans should be ashamed of themselves to let what happened on Thursday happen. I know some of the NDSU fans know they made a mistake, they have said so, and one even apologized to our AD and called Hunter's office. So at least some people learned their lesson.

[RabbitObsessed]

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If it really were a mole hill there would be no need to tone it down or security changes.

It absolutely slays me that in today's society people can't just say, "what happened was wrong and whatever happened should be fixed. Please accept my apology, it won't happen again" It has to be quantified with a "but" somehow or another.

Gotta give credit to this poster on Bisonville:

ultimately this situation created negative work for gene taylor and for that i am sorry...i stopped by the bsa yesterday to apologize..he wasn't available but called me back...i told him i was sorry but that nothing racially was EVER said...he then gave me Ron Hunters office number and I called and apologized for the situation...i want to say one more time...i apologize for making work for gene for bringing neg press to ndsu but nothing racially was said. sorry.

Edit: this is the post FB is referring to.

[bigticket1]

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If a coach or anyone is saying racial comments happened, something has to be done, even if you know that it is a nonevent. That is the world we live in today.

This is nothing like UND's situation, kids heckle the other team in college gyms across the country. Usually coaches are smart enough to ignore it, sadly Hunter acted like a college aged kid on Thursday night.

No racial comments were made, just heckling. Both Hunter and the fans should be ashamed of themselves to let what happened on Thursday happen. I know some of the NDSU fans know they made a mistake, they have said so, and one even apologized to our AD and called Hunter's office. So at least some people learned their lesson.

Still find it hard to believe it was "just heckling". I'm sure Coach Hunter has had his fair share of grief thrown at him during his career, so to cause that kind of reaction ,even after winning the game, leads me to think it was something beyond "just heckling".

[NoVaJack]

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About the same time that rudeness started to be considered entertaining. I blame it on the lady from the Weakest Link, it is the first show I can remember being centered around someone being rude to everyone else on the show.

Started long before Weakest Link.

Maybe you don't remember Morton Downey, Jr.? Don Rickles was the original anti-PC comedian in the '60s. It's devolved into talk radio and comedy today. Some comedians' and talk-show hosts entire repertoires are built upon how stupid other people or groups are. (Bill Maher??)

Calling out audiences is part of the schtick. Sometimes, people get called on it (Michael Richards anyone?) ... Ever watched Judge Judy? That woman gets up in the morning trying to figure out ways to snarl and shout at people about how dumb they are (and her producers enable her by producing people who have done some numbingly stupid things).

Someone else said that only the listener can determine what is offensive. But isn't finding that trip wire the only point of heckling? It's pathetic that home-court vantage now involves ritual demeaning of others' abilities, appearances, etc. It's a distortion of competition. It's aimed not at defeating, but deligitimizing one competitor in the contest.

What makes it even more insidious is that your average Joe Heckler almost certainly couldn't do ANY of what these young men and women are doing on the basketball court. Probably never could.

[FargoBison]

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Still find it hard to believe it was "just heckling". I'm sure Coach Hunter has had his fair share of grief thrown at him during his career, so to cause that kind of reaction ,even after winning the game, leads me to think it was something beyond "just heckling".

Maybe he misheard what the fans were yelling at him. I don't know, but when four people that work for NDSU are sitting right there(all of them being African-American), say nothing racial was said...I tend to believe that is the case.

I don't know what set Hunter off, he never said. Maybe it wasn't racial. All I can say is that he did a terrible job in handling the situation.

[ndsubison1]

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If it really were a mole hill there would be no need to tone it down or security changes.

It absolutely slays me that in today's society people can't just say, "what happened was wrong and whatever happened should be fixed. Please accept my apology, it won't happen again" It has to be quantified with a "but" somehow or another.

This happens just about every single home game. Oakland and Kampe were laughing about it and actually talked with some of the students at half about Benson/stats/etc. SDSU and Nagy ignored it. Oral Roberts and Sutton ignored it. IUPUI reacted to it. Why can't they do the same as others? Hunter is a big boy. I think he can handle some taunting just as Saul can handle some from SDSU students/ORU students...

[LakeJack]

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Some of your fans behaved poorly and your Admin. didn't provide enough security. Your AD apoligized and has taken steps to correct it. That is the bottom line.

[HoboJack]

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This is nothing like UND's situation, kids heckle the other team in college gyms across the country. Usually coaches are smart enough to ignore it, sadly Hunter acted like a college aged kid on Thursday night.

No racial comments were made, just heckling. Both Hunter and the fans should be ashamed of themselves to let what happened on Thursday happen. I know some of the NDSU fans know they made a mistake, they have said so, and one even apologized to our AD and called Hunter's office. So at least some people learned their lesson.

I think you are missing the point. If you go back & listen to the interview with coach Hunter he talks about the offensive language & that his players might have a different reaction than someone else might, specifically about a players mother having cancer, or being dead, etc. Just bacause there were some African-American staff member who happen to live in Fargo didn't see it as being racist, doesn't mean one who lives in Indianapolis, with a different background, wouldn't. While I can believe that those involved were not intending statements to be interpreted this way, it doesn't mean others won't. Whether it was intentianally malicious or not has no bearing on this.

In the reporting from UND's nickname dispute, it is obvious that some members of the Sioux tribe don't have a problem with the nickname. It is equally obvious that some do find it offensive. The nickname itself is not intentianally malicious, but the way it is portrayed & used may be percieved that way by others.