NDSU v. IUPUI

[2002jack]

Re: NDSU v. IUPUI

At first I thought this should be left for NDSU to resolve on their own, but for their A.D. to say this is a "non-incident" is alarmaing. This is obviously a serious incident when players/coaches nearly fight fans. If NDSU chooses to call this a "non-incident" than maybe the league should get involved. Perhaps Mr. Taylor's comments are being taken out of context, I would like to hear his interview.

If something like this happened to our team while travelling, and the host team chose to pass it off as a "non-incident" I would be upset.

[zooropa]

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And I'm not throwing stones from a glass house. I would (and maybe someday will) say the same things if there was an incident like this at SDSU.

There was worse conduct at the NDSU/SDSU volleyball game.

Apparently some SDSU students' were vicious enough to bring at least one NDSU player to tears ( http://sdsufans.com/board/showthread.php?t=8833 )

And, IMO, vicious is as good a word as any for that kind of conduct; it's vicious, it's cowardly (hurling insults from a crowd at someone with their back turned---now that takes guts), it's barbaric, it's inexcusable.

[zooropa]

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for their A.D. to say this is a "non-incident" is alarmaing.

Well, consider that they're only just now putting into practice a security measure that SDSU has had in place for a while (officer behind the visiting team's bench)....................

[FargoBison]

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Do you also think rape victims ask for it by dressing provocatively?

Do you think battered spouses fuel their beating?

Seriously, either the fan behavior is acceptable or it isn't. The coaches reaction has nothing to do with what was originally said. If racial slurs were used, what would the appropriate reaction be?

Bottom line, this is way more embarrassing for NDSU than it is for Ron Hunter (a well known philanthropist). Any argument to the contrary is not founded in reason, but in emotion.

These are students at a ballgame, they can heckle the other team if they want, it only happens everywhere. Don't compare them to rapists and wife beaters, my God.

I doubt they were yelling racial slurs, I know some of these people and it is just something they wouldn't do. I believe them when they say that. If they were the event staff 10 feet away would have done something about it. That is something NDSU does not take lightly.

I am not saying Hunter lied but maybe he misheard or misinterpreted what he heard, games can be loud and hectic and sometimes people can lose track of what is going on.

This does look horrible for NDSU. I agree with that and that is why it is being taken care of accordingly. But you know why Taylor labeled this a nonevent? Because Ron Hunter overreacted and made this into something worse than it should have been. He is the adult and role model for his team, you never challenge a student to a fight during or after a game.

That is mistake he won't live up to in the press. So you can sit here and bash these students, they did make a mistake but Hunter made a mistake as well. I don't care how many shoes he gives to poor kids, he can make a mistake just like anyone else can.

[jacks1]

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These are students at a ballgame, they can heckle the other team if they want, it only happens everywhere.

Ummm...I'm about 99.999999% sure that at least a few of the hooligans are far from NDSU students.

[FargoBison]

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Ummm...I'm about 99.999999% sure that at least a few of the hooligans are far from NDSU students.

I just graduated from NDSU in December, trust me when I say that they are students(at least all but maybe 1 or 2). I don't know who all rolls around with lakes, but the people at the game were students or graduated recently.

I wasn't near the student section last night so I can't tell you what they said, all I can say is that I have heard them say some dumb stuff but nothing ever racial when I stood next to them in the student section. They are smart enough to know not say to anything like that.

I think both parities acted immature, unless you have a police officer standing right there it is probably tricky to stop what some fan may perceive as harmless heckling that they do every game. I will say what happened was regrettable..sometimes you need to know when to pullback and realize it is just a game(there is no need to get too worked up). That is easier said, I have said a few things I regret during a game, I will admit I am no saint. Maybe some here are...But really I just hope everyone realized what mistakes happened and that it never happens again.

That last thing I want to see is a fight, and that goes for any Summit League game. It is just bad for the schools involved and every member of the league. At least I can take solace in the fact that Taylor has taken the steps to prevent this, he may have called it a nonevent, but he is putting a police officer behind the bench for every game. That is about all you can do and I agree that should have been done in the first place.

[zooropa]

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What Hunter said was that certain words were used that weren't acceptable in all contexts.

I'm going to guess what went on was more along the lines of gang and drug references, probably mixed in with some prostitution and prison references.

That is, a bunch of kids with no first hand knowledge of the subject spouting off in a manner that was far more offensive than they would've thought. Figuring, perhaps, that it wasn't a problem since they weren't saying anything that they haven't heard in rap music. (purely wild speculation on my part, of course)

[HandoEX]

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I feel the assumptions made by many people are not fair towards the guys that have been accused of using racial slurs or derogatory comments towards iupui players and coaches. The guys accused are sincerely good people and I know these guys would not use race as a tool to heckle. For those of you assuming lakes was involved...sorry to dissapoint but he wasn't.

I was one of the guys that made the trip to Brookings and I'm honestly confused by what was deemed inappropriate by our group. I only opened my mouth to cheer for the Bison and didn't say one word that could be deemed as negative, but I didn't really hear anything too offensive besides the "Montana" chants from our group. A fountain pop was thrown our direction and a group of students one row behind us was hell bent on meeting us in the parking lot to fight. For those of you that witnessed such disgraceful behavior from our group, I'd like to hear an example or two besides the "Montana" chant.

Finally, a few days ago, I read a post on this forum about Dale Moss and Kai Williams drinking booze in Frost, shirtless, while smuggling a dead coyote head into the student section. I thoughtabout making a thread on BV, but decided against it as it wasn't fact. Well, neither is this situation. Take the high road before making assumptions.

[jacks1]

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Finally, a few days ago, I read a post on this forum about Dale Moss and Kai Williams drinking booze in Frost, shirtless, while smuggling a dead coyote head into the student section.

I'm looking all over for this post and can't find it...can you help me out? After that, head on back to your 'circle jerk' group of buddies over in bizun country that do your university so proud.

[FargoBison]

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Kolpack weighs in with an article that clears some things up(especially the racial stuff)...

Bison athletic director Gene Taylor said three Bison fans were responsible for riding the Jaguars team in the course of the IUPUI’s 66-52 win at the Bison Sports Arena. IUPUI head coach Ron Hunter said Friday the constant barrage of foul language, including some comments that had racial overtones, by a few individuals was too much.

“I’ve been around basketball all my life,” he said. “I’ve never heard it that constant. I’ve never heard a group of people use the language that they used.”

Taylor said he could not confirm racial slurs in talking with four NDSU workers stationed near the bench.

“All four are African-American and they didn’t hear anything,” Taylor said. “My two football players who were right there said they hear it all the time and are sensitive to that. But they said, ‘Gene, we didn’t hear a thing that was racial.’”

Taylor said NDSU normally has an enforcement officer behind the opposing team’s bench for the more well-attended games like South Dakota State, Oakland University (Mich.) and Oral Roberts. There were plenty of empty seats Thursday behind the IUPUI bench. The announced crowd of 2,395 is less than half of the BSA capacity.

“I made a conscious decision not to stop the game because of it,” Hunter said. “Nobody heard it except our players. “It was completely uncalled for.”

Taylor said two of the three fans are not NDSU students. He said his department needs to do a better job making sure non-students don’t take those seats.

“They were riding them pretty hard during the game and after the game, as the teams were leaving, those same kids were still on them,” Taylor said. “And I guess the coaches and players turned to jaw back. Nothing happened. Just jawing.”

http://www.inforum.com/event/article.../group/sports/

[jacks1]

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From FargoBison's post: "...Taylor said two of the three fans are not NDSU students. He said his department needs to do a better job making sure non-students don’t take those seats.
“They were riding them pretty hard during the game and after the game, as the teams were leaving, those same kids were still on them,” Taylor said. “And I guess the coaches and players turned to jaw back. Nothing happened. Just jawing.”



It's real simple....NDSU officials need to pull these knuckleheads aside and explain to them the difference between acting like a student and acting like an adult at a ball game....It probably starts with not being at a .20 BAC at every game.

[zooropa]

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Nothing happened. Just jawing

If anyone is curious why Bison fans have a bad reputation, well, apparently the AD--whatever may be said about his accomplishments--doesn't 'get it' when it comes to sportsmanship.

[tjbison]

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So they've got a police officer behind the bench for every game now.

Way to go Bison idiots. Do you know how bad you made your favorite team look?

Much like some of your idiot fans making our Volleyball girls Cry with their taunting in Brookings????? or did you forget about that already

[NoVaJack]

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I wouldn't throw stones in a glass house... Not saying SDSU fans are as bad as lakes but I have met a few and heard of a few instances.

NDSU's admin is very aggressive about this kind of thing, Gene Taylor was on it as soon he got into work today apologizing to IUPUI and adding security around the opponents bench. This won't happen again, but then again it has never been issue in the first place at basketball games.

As for other venues, NDSU's admin can't do anything about Frost or SF, they only have control of their venues.

You are an insightful and respectable poster on this board, so please take this in that light. I also believe that a vast majority of your fans, like Jacks' fans, are there for the right reasons, and not the "look at me" kind of crap that a few people do.But..........

1. On the first line in bold: The next day was too late if there was a confrontation after the game.
2. On the second phrase in bold: Unless you stop selling tickets to certain people, how can you say this when you have to kick one of your own off your own board for constantly smacking and provoking and demeaning. I'd be worried that this will be an invitation for people with no "off" switches to escalate next year. It's apparently in the DNA.

[HandoEX]

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I'm looking all over for this post and can't find it...can you help me out? After that, head on back to your 'circle jerk' group of buddies over in bizun country that do your university so proud.

It is in the Oakland GDT thread...post 105
http://www.sdsufans.com/board/showth...t=9506&page=11

Well here is the scoop. Dale and Peterson showed up to the game. A large number of students were waiting in line they tried to run right up to the front. They then stood at the bottom of the stairs and slammed a beer with some friends. Sometime after that the two of them tried to get a frozen coyote head from their locker room to the court to give to their friends. They were caught with the head and were able to go to the game after giving it up. During the game Moss was yelled at by someone from the athletic dept and that is why he put his shirt on. From the sounds of it he could be out for awhile.
Trust me I'm not just rumor mongering here.