Dave Boots 1st losing season

[RabbitObsessed]

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Off the top of my head, Dylan Grimsley and Steve Smith. Boots mostly gets JC transfers.

[LakeJack]

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Honestly, I don't really care where Boots gets his kids from, they are 4-11 in the conference - tied for last place, and 9-15 on the year - the only team in the conference with single digits in the win column. They are a very bad team and we should have never lost to them. We played horribly and still had multiple chances to win at the end. Oh and they lose three of their best players next year in Westbrook, Krogman, Andreotti. Sorry but to me the future doesn't look too bright for Coyote fans. Sure they have their one win that will sustain the fan base for another year, but I would rather be 12-3 in conference and 20-7 graduating only one player at the end of the season. Hey, but maybe it is just me.

[RabbitObsessed]

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Honestly, I don't really care where Boots gets his kids from, they are 4-11 in the conference - tied for last place, and 9-15 on the year - the only team in the conference with single digits in the win column. They are a very bad team and we should have never lost to them. We played horribly and still had multiple chances to win at the end. Oh and they lose three of their best players next year in Westbrook, Krogman, Andreotti. Sorry but to me the future doesn't look too bright for Coyote fans. Sure they have their one win that will sustain the fan base for another year, but I would rather be 12-3 in conference and 20-7 graduating only one player at the end of the season. Hey, but maybe it is just me.

We are in a great position aren't we? Yet in our first year in the SL we couldn't win a road game. I think USD will be fine. 4 or 5 years ago we were pretty bad too.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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We are in a great position aren't we? Yet in our first year in the SL we couldn't win a road game. I think USD will be fine. 4 or 5 years ago we were pretty bad too.

This 100%.

IMO, it is naive to think USD and Dave Boots won't be competitive in the league. I remember ORU and Oakland forum posters giving all kinds of reasons SDSU would never be successful either when we were bad (3 conference wins in 07-08).

[LakeJack]

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Yup that is true we weren't very good our first year in the conference and some on this board where calling for Coach Nagy's head. I guess SDSU going first pays dividends yet again for the Yotes as some on this board now see the light of patients and they expound the virtues of giving Boots additional time to ramp up his program. USD may be good in 4 or 5 years then again they may not, but one thing is certain they aren't good now. The other question to ask is will Dave Boots still be the Coach in 4 or 5 years? Does he still have the will and drive to go through the growing pains? Does USD's AD have the patience that Justin Sell had? The transition for Men's hoops is the hardest and USD isn't going to be good next year either.

[yoteforever]

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Yup that is true we weren't very good our first year in the conference and some on this board where calling for Coach Nagy's head. I guess SDSU going first pays dividends yet again for the Yotes as some on this board now see the light of patients and they expound the virtues of giving Boots additional time to ramp up his program. USD may be good in 4 or 5 years then again they may not, but one thing is certain they aren't good now. The other question to ask is will Dave Boots still be the Coach in 4 or 5 years? Does he still have the will and drive to go through the growing pains? Does USD's AD have the patience that Justin Sell had? The transition for Men's hoops is the hardest and USD isn't going to be good next year either.

Doing a little trip down memory lane I came up with an interesting fact. SDSU was 3-15 their first year in the Summit (and one could argue the Summit is a little tougher league now than it was then). The year prior to that, Montana beat you by 40 and Green Bay by 32. In '08 you improved to 6-12, then back to back 10-8 seasons and now this year. Now using USD math that means you were 29-43 your first 4 years in the Summit. In that time, you had some decent wins, but overall 29-43 isn't stellar. But much to your credit you stayed the course and now have a very good team. I have congratulated you over and over for that.But the facts are USD if they don't win another game is going to have a slightly better record than you our first year in. We also have had a few decent wins out of conference since going D-1. But LakeJack, may I remind you, it isn't very flattering to you to say we are bad when indeed against SDSU in Division 1 men's basketball, we are .500. Say what you want, make any excuse you want, but the fact is that you got beat in Vermillion, and although you did come back, which was a credit to you, you were over 20 points down at one point. So either USD isn't so bad, or you aren't as good as you think. There is no way SDSU should have come down to Vermillion and lost after the ass kicking you gave us in Brookings. No way. But it happened, and that is precisely why I have said over the past few years THAT IS WHY YOU PLAY THE GAME. Now I am good friends with Coach Boots so I will answer a few of your questions. Dave Boots will be coach in the foreseeable future. What happened to Meierkort will not happen to Boots. Does he have the drive? Oh yeah. His will to win was displayed last week in the Jackrabbit rematch. He simply out coached Nagy. I have nothing against Nagy, in fact, I have been told he is one heck of a guy, but last week he was out coached. Does AD Sayler have the patience to keep Boots? I believe so, and if he does, it won't be because he looked at what Sells did in staying with Nagy. That won't have a damn thing to do about it, so don't wrap a blue and gold blanket around your we went first argument, because what Sells did doesn't have any more impact on Sayler, than how Sells is impacted by what Sayler does.As a casual basketball fan, I will also say on paper it doesn't look real bright for next years team. Then again, who knows. I would say this. I would rather have Boots on my bench and roll the dice and stay the course than abandon him and start over. I don't think that will happen. So as much as you want to make fun of USD, in basketball we are 2-2 against the Jacks, and in volleyball we were 2-0. And one could argue it was a good thing you didn't play us in football. I seriously don't think USD will back down to SDSU ever, nor do I think you will to us. THAT'S WHY WE PLAY THE GAMES.

[Kemo]

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Doing a little trip down memory lane I came up with an interesting fact. SDSU was 3-15 their first year in the Summit (and one could argue the Summit is a little tougher league now than it was then). The year prior to that, Montana beat you by 40 and Green Bay by 32. In '08 you improved to 6-12, then back to back 10-8 seasons and now this year. Now using USD math that means you were 29-43 your first 4 years in the Summit. In that time, you had some decent wins, but overall 29-43 isn't stellar. But much to your credit you stayed the course and now have a very good team. I have congratulated you over and over for that.But the facts are USD if they don't win another game is going to have a slightly better record than you our first year in. We also have had a few decent wins out of conference since going D-1. But LakeJack, may I remind you, it isn't very flattering to you to say we are bad when indeed against SDSU in Division 1 men's basketball, we are .500. Say what you want, make any excuse you want, but the fact is that you got beat in Vermillion, and although you did come back, which was a credit to you, you were over 20 points down at one point. So either USD isn't so bad, or you aren't as good as you think. There is no way SDSU should have come down to Vermillion and lost after the ass kicking you gave us in Brookings. No way. But it happened, and that is precisely why I have said over the past few years THAT IS WHY YOU PLAY THE GAME. Now I am good friends with Coach Boots so I will answer a few of your questions. Dave Boots will be coach in the foreseeable future. What happened to Meierkort will not happen to Boots. Does he have the drive? Oh yeah. His will to win was displayed last week in the Jackrabbit rematch. He simply out coached Nagy. I have nothing against Nagy, in fact, I have been told he is one heck of a guy, but last week he was out coached. Does AD Sayler have the patience to keep Boots? I believe so, and if he does, it won't be because he looked at what Sells did in staying with Nagy. That won't have a damn thing to do about it, so don't wrap a blue and gold blanket around your we went first argument, because what Sells did doesn't have any more impact on Sayler, than how Sells is impacted by what Sayler does.As a casual basketball fan, I will also say on paper it doesn't look real bright for next years team. Then again, who knows. I would say this. I would rather have Boots on my bench and roll the dice and stay the course than abandon him and start over. I don't think that will happen. So as much as you want to make fun of USD, in basketball we are 2-2 against the Jacks, and in volleyball we were 2-0. And one could argue it was a good thing you didn't play us in football. I seriously don't think USD will back down to SDSU ever, nor do I think you will to us. THAT'S WHY WE PLAY THE GAMES.

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Seriously though: good insight, just would prefer my eyes not bleeding after reading it

[yoteforever]

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For what it is worth, I agree with you. I did write in in paragraphs but came out this way. Maybe there is something I can do I am unaware of but I did write it in paragraphs. I thought the same thing.

[RabbitObsessed]

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For what it is worth, I agree with you. I did write in in paragraphs but came out this way. Maybe there is something I can do I am unaware of but I did write it in paragraphs. I thought the same thing.

If you're posting from a mobile device, I've noticed that when you hit <ENTER> it creates space in the editing box but it doesn't show up in the final post.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Doing a little trip down memory lane I came up with an interesting fact. SDSU was 3-15 their first year in the Summit (and one could argue the Summit is a little tougher league now than it was then). The year prior to that, Montana beat you by 40 and Green Bay by 32. In '08 you improved to 6-12, then back to back 10-8 seasons and now this year. Now using USD math that means you were 29-43 your first 4 years in the Summit. In that time, you had some decent wins, but overall 29-43 isn't stellar. But much to your credit you stayed the course and now have a very good team. I have congratulated you over and over for that.But the facts are USD if they don't win another game is going to have a slightly better record than you our first year in. We also have had a few decent wins out of conference since going D-1. But LakeJack, may I remind you, it isn't very flattering to you to say we are bad when indeed against SDSU in Division 1 men's basketball, we are .500. Say what you want, make any excuse you want, but the fact is that you got beat in Vermillion, and although you did come back, which was a credit to you, you were over 20 points down at one point. So either USD isn't so bad, or you aren't as good as you think. There is no way SDSU should have come down to Vermillion and lost after the ass kicking you gave us in Brookings. No way. But it happened, and that is precisely why I have said over the past few years THAT IS WHY YOU PLAY THE GAME. Now I am good friends with Coach Boots so I will answer a few of your questions. Dave Boots will be coach in the foreseeable future. What happened to Meierkort will not happen to Boots. Does he have the drive? Oh yeah. His will to win was displayed last week in the Jackrabbit rematch. He simply out coached Nagy. I have nothing against Nagy, in fact, I have been told he is one heck of a guy, but last week he was out coached. Does AD Sayler have the patience to keep Boots? I believe so, and if he does, it won't be because he looked at what Sells did in staying with Nagy. That won't have a damn thing to do about it, so don't wrap a blue and gold blanket around your we went first argument, because what Sells did doesn't have any more impact on Sayler, than how Sells is impacted by what Sayler does.As a casual basketball fan, I will also say on paper it doesn't look real bright for next years team. Then again, who knows. I would say this. I would rather have Boots on my bench and roll the dice and stay the course than abandon him and start over. I don't think that will happen. So as much as you want to make fun of USD, in basketball we are 2-2 against the Jacks, and in volleyball we were 2-0. And one could argue it was a good thing you didn't play us in football. I seriously don't think USD will back down to SDSU ever, nor do I think you will to us. THAT'S WHY WE PLAY THE GAMES.

Easy, no need to go all foaming at the mouth.

SDSU did have a 3 win conference season in 07-08.

Here were their top players:

Kai Williams - Sophomore, 35+ mpg, 14 ppg, 7.8 rpg
Ben Beran - Senior, 26+ mpg, 12.3 ppg
Garrett Callahan - Sophomore, 32+ mpg, 12.3 ppg
Clint Sargent - Freshman, 32+ mpg, 8.4 ppg
Michael Loney - Senior, 14+ mgp, 4.1 ppg
Anthony Cordova - Freshman, 13+mpg, 4.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg
Dale Moss - Freshman, 13.4 mpg, 3.5 ppg, 2.2 rpg

That's 4/7 1,000 point scorers, and 1 more that was very close (Cordova would have finished with 1000, Moss had . Our cupboard wasn't exactly bare, although we have the benefit of hindsight. At the time, many SDSU fans weren't very pleased. Maybe USD's isn't either, but from the outside looking in it seems like it.

My contention remains that they will be just fine.

[LakeJack]

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YF typical Yote thinking, you are trying to base your season on one game. You beat SDSU, SDSU is good so USD must be good. No, USD is bad but had a good night while SDSU is good but had a bad night. It is as simple as that. UMKC is also bad, but they had a good night against NDSU when NDSU had a bad night. SDSU and NDSU are still both good teams after those loses. USD and UMKC are still bad teams even after their wins. You two are fighting to stay out of last place and are currently tied for last place. You both will have losing records. At least UMKC has 10 wins on the season so far.

As far as the Summit history lesson, I have admitted that we were a bad team who has gotten good, no arguing that fact. You too may get better, or you may not time well tell. Luck to you and your Yotes YF. But this year you are a bad team and next year may actually be worse.

[goon]

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Doing a little trip down memory lane I came up with an interesting fact. SDSU was 3-15 their first year in the Summit (and one could argue the Summit is a little tougher league now than it was then). The year prior to that, Montana beat you by 40 and Green Bay by 32. In '08 you improved to 6-12, then back to back 10-8 seasons and now this year. Now using USD math that means you were 29-43 your first 4 years in the Summit. In that time, you had some decent wins, but overall 29-43 isn't stellar. But much to your credit you stayed the course and now have a very good team. I have congratulated you over and over for that.But the facts are USD if they don't win another game is going to have a slightly better record than you our first year in. We also have had a few decent wins out of conference since going D-1. But LakeJack, may I remind you, it isn't very flattering to you to say we are bad when indeed against SDSU in Division 1 men's basketball, we are .500. Say what you want, make any excuse you want, but the fact is that you got beat in Vermillion, and although you did come back, which was a credit to you, you were over 20 points down at one point. So either USD isn't so bad, or you aren't as good as you think. There is no way SDSU should have come down to Vermillion and lost after the ass kicking you gave us in Brookings. No way. But it happened, and that is precisely why I have said over the past few years THAT IS WHY YOU PLAY THE GAME. Now I am good friends with Coach Boots so I will answer a few of your questions. Dave Boots will be coach in the foreseeable future. What happened to Meierkort will not happen to Boots. Does he have the drive? Oh yeah. His will to win was displayed last week in the Jackrabbit rematch. He simply out coached Nagy. I have nothing against Nagy, in fact, I have been told he is one heck of a guy, but last week he was out coached. Does AD Sayler have the patience to keep Boots? I believe so, and if he does, it won't be because he looked at what Sells did in staying with Nagy. That won't have a damn thing to do about it, so don't wrap a blue and gold blanket around your we went first argument, because what Sells did doesn't have any more impact on Sayler, than how Sells is impacted by what Sayler does.As a casual basketball fan, I will also say on paper it doesn't look real bright for next years team. Then again, who knows. I would say this. I would rather have Boots on my bench and roll the dice and stay the course than abandon him and start over. I don't think that will happen. So as much as you want to make fun of USD, in basketball we are 2-2 against the Jacks, and in volleyball we were 2-0. And one could argue it was a good thing you didn't play us in football. I seriously don't think USD will back down to SDSU ever, nor do I think you will to us. THAT'S WHY WE PLAY THE GAMES.

What would be impressive is if USD would messure them self not by how the play SDSU, but by everyone. you guys are selling your self short if you only have that you can beat us as a highlight. In the big picture USD is doing about what most would expect. You say the summit league is harder now. But we could also say that the transition for USD was laid out a little bit more then it was for us.

Nagy was a proven winner and through at the transition has proved he has learned, and rarely make the same mistakes. That shows because we havent lost back to back games during confrence play. Boots is a good coach, but I think USD will learn that if they dont improve recruiting, playing a zone against good shooters and good athletes, will prove hard to stick with Unless your 'Cuse. Nagy adjusted his offense and its change the last few years. Can USD adjust its defense to compete? Your first year in the summit is going to be used as a measuring stick. We were bad so really only had up to go, you guys beat us for your superbowl, now where do you go. You lose a lot next year, and 1 transfer and boots and nimrod are not going to really scare many people IMO.

I will be impressed if USD wins more games next year then this year. IMO they win the same number of confrence games or change plus or minus 1 game. So with 4 wins right now, they finish with 3 or 5 etc.

Also, think you guys were hot stuff but summit league is a long season, you over look others in the confrence when you just want to play SDSU, you will lose plenty that you could win, but atleast you played state to win by 2. Also, how did USD swim team do against SDSU, or the baseball or wrestling. Sorry if thats sounds like smack, but if you want to look at what you have done, your womens team is losing like 50 percent of its team next year, and only played 6 players against us. To win the summit league in 3 games in 3 or 4 days, having a 1 deep bench wont get it done. Your mens team would be lucky to qualify for the tourny even if it was eligble. And your right, USD is not very good but SDSU is as good as we think.

[goon]

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Easy, no need to go all foaming at the mouth.

SDSU did have a 3 win conference season in 07-08.

Here were their top players:

Kai Williams - Sophomore, 35+ mpg, 14 ppg, 7.8 rpg
Ben Beran - Senior, 26+ mpg, 12.3 ppg
Garrett Callahan - Sophomore, 32+ mpg, 12.3 ppg
Clint Sargent - Freshman, 32+ mpg, 8.4 ppg
Michael Loney - Senior, 14+ mgp, 4.1 ppg
Anthony Cordova - Freshman, 13+mpg, 4.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg
Dale Moss - Freshman, 13.4 mpg, 3.5 ppg, 2.2 rpg

That's 4/7 1,000 point scorers, and 1 more that was very close (Cordova would have finished with 1000, Moss had . Our cupboard wasn't exactly bare, although we have the benefit of hindsight. At the time, many SDSU fans weren't very pleased. Maybe USD's isn't either, but from the outside looking in it seems like it.

My contention remains that they will be just fine.

Most of our talent was young. USD this year is mostly upperclassman and Grius. How many current 1000 point scorers will be there in a couple years. My guess is Grius is. Nimrod, Boots, Stecker, Saint Galeis? Nope, We had 1 legit senior in beran and a hard worker in loney, otherwise we new we would get better but were young again, just like this year. this year we probably upper classman playing major minutes, besides maybe Kai and Garretts senior year. As of now, Grius is all USD has to look forward to as a known commodity. I like where we were better then where they are now.

[joeboo22]

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Easy, no need to go all foaming at the mouth.

SDSU did have a 3 win conference season in 07-08.

Here were their top players:

Kai Williams - Sophomore, 35+ mpg, 14 ppg, 7.8 rpg
Ben Beran - Senior, 26+ mpg, 12.3 ppg
Garrett Callahan - Sophomore, 32+ mpg, 12.3 ppg
Clint Sargent - Freshman, 32+ mpg, 8.4 ppg
Michael Loney - Senior, 14+ mgp, 4.1 ppg
Anthony Cordova - Freshman, 13+mpg, 4.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg
Dale Moss - Freshman, 13.4 mpg, 3.5 ppg, 2.2 rpg

That's 4/7 1,000 point scorers, and 1 more that was very close (Cordova would have finished with 1000, Moss had . Our cupboard wasn't exactly bare, although we have the benefit of hindsight. At the time, many SDSU fans weren't very pleased. Maybe USD's isn't either, but from the outside looking in it seems like it.

My contention remains that they will be just fine.

Its also 4/5 starters and the sixth man being underclassmen.

I don't judge USD on this year, because transition sucks, I judge USD on how they look coming out of transition. 3/5 starters- seniors They played 1 underclassmen this year any minutes, and he had probably a worse year this year then last.

As has been already stated Boots has been very good at getting transfers both D-I and JuCo, the only problem with that is D-I transfers don't generally transfer to D-I schools, especially lower ones unless there is a reason, JuCo transfers are harder to get in as well because most people go JuCo because of grades and D-I is a whole different ball game then D-II when it comes to eligibility.

I'm not saying that USD can't develop over the next 5 years. But also remember this, and I note this for SDSU and Nagy's growth. He got Horstman to commit as a freshman and White and Feigen to commit as sophomores. It allowed for people to grow with future recruits before they came to college, and also said hey look they already have some of the best underclassmen in the state locked up, somebody must believe in them.

[yoteforever]

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What would be impressive is if USD would messure them self not by how the play SDSU, but by everyone. you guys are selling your self short if you only have that you can beat us as a highlight. In the big picture USD is doing about what most would expect. You say the summit league is harder now. But we could also say that the transition for USD was laid out a little bit more then it was for us. Nagy was a proven winner and through at the transition has proved he has learned, and rarely make the same mistakes. That shows because we havent lost back to back games during confrence play. Boots is a good coach, but I think USD will learn that if they dont improve recruiting, playing a zone against good shooters and good athletes, will prove hard to stick with Unless your 'Cuse. Nagy adjusted his offense and its change the last few years. Can USD adjust its defense to compete? Your first year in the summit is going to be used as a measuring stick. We were bad so really only had up to go, you guys beat us for your superbowl, now where do you go. You lose a lot next year, and 1 transfer and boots and nimrod are not going to really scare many people IMO. I will be impressed if USD wins more games next year then this year. IMO they win the same number of confrence games or change plus or minus 1 game. So with 4 wins right now, they finish with 3 or 5 etc. Also, think you guys were hot stuff but summit league is a long season, you over look others in the confrence when you just want to play SDSU, you will lose plenty that you could win, but atleast you played state to win by 2. Also, how did USD swim team do against SDSU, or the baseball or wrestling. Sorry if thats sounds like smack, but if you want to look at what you have done, your womens team is losing like 50 percent of its team next year, and only played 6 players against us. To win the summit league in 3 games in 3 or 4 days, having a 1 deep bench wont get it done. Your mens team would be lucky to qualify for the tourny even if it was eligble. And your right, USD is not very good but SDSU is as good as we think.

But Goon my friend, not good enough to beat USD in Vermillion. Sorry, but that is the fact of the matter, much to your dismay. I am not bragging about our BB team, but we did beat you, nd for some reson, you have yourself amongst the nations elite. I wish you well, but you are the kind of fan that is totally blinded.