Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

[HoboJack]

Re: Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

They didn't violate policy. If the BOR didn't approve the contract, then it would have simply been a year to year deal.

If they didn't violate the current policy, then they wouldn't need an exception. If the contract is still good without a BOR exception, then there is no reason for the BOR to grant a one-time exception. Then they can move on and start talking about the actual issue, instead of whether or not the universities can essentially end-around current policies to fit their own needs and ask the BOR to fix it for them later.

I have no problem with the idea of multi-year contracts - its well past time to have the discussion. This doesn't seem like the right way to force it however.

[SoDakJack]

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I like the idea of coaches, professors, and teachers having multi-year deals. I just think that this is the wrong way to go about it.

The three coaches we've been watching all these years are unique to the profession. I believe that in the future when we replace them, we will have to offer multiple years to keep the same level of ability.

[Cousin Eddie]

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I don't care if it is true/untrue, right/wrong, legal/illegal. If it can be used as the gasoline to further fuel my hatred of all things USD, I'm in. Whatever USD did in this situation is wrong and they should be tarred and feathered for it. Now, we should look into getting our big 3 coaches multi-year contracts. What's a guy got to do to prove his loyalty?

Now this is something that I can respect. Pure, unadulterated, principled hatred.

[JacksFTW]

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http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.c...sue/?id=190187

SIOUX FALLS - The South Dakota Board of Regents wants a permanent solution rather than a temporary fix for a policy that's preventing the University of South Dakota from officially signing its new head football coach.

The board on Friday directed Executive Director Michael Rush to continue working with schools on changes to a policy that prohibits multiyear contracts for non-faculty exempt employees such as coaches.

University of South Dakota officials in December announced the hiring of Western Illinois coach Bob Nielson, and Nielson has been busy assembling his staff after agreeing to a $255,000 annual salary. But Nielson is seeking a long-term commitment, and current policy allows only one-year contracts for employees.

Athletic officials say multi-year contracts are the norm in Division I sports and are necessary to attract top applicants.

[Coyotes]

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There's no hope Cousin Eddie. A select few on this board have it made up in their mind laws were broken and nothing is going to change that. They cannot understand this was done in collaboration with the BOR not behind their backs.

I would ask for those saying this is "the wrong way to go about this" how did you get approval for your wellness center? Did the student government vote to increase fees before or after you went to the BOR asking for approval. If i remember correctly the vote and everything happened before going to the BOR. Now that was behind the BOR back. This was done in collaboration with the BOR. Not sure whats hard to understand about that where a select few need to keep stating its the wrong way of going about it.

[Jackedforlife]

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There's no hope Cousin Eddie. A select few on this board have it made up in their mind laws were broken and nothing is going to change that. They cannot understand this was done in collaboration with the BOR not behind their backs.

I would ask for those saying this is "the wrong way to go about this" how did you get approval for your wellness center? Did the student government vote to increase fees before or after you went to the BOR asking for approval. If i remember correctly the vote and everything happened before going to the BOR. Now that was behind the BOR back. This was done in collaboration with the BOR. Not sure whats hard to understand about that where a select few need to keep stating its the wrong way of going about it.

The difference is the vote on the wellness center was done to show the BOR that the majority of students approved of it.

[mango4]

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There's no hope Cousin Eddie. A select few on this board have it made up in their mind laws were broken and nothing is going to change that. They cannot understand this was done in collaboration with the BOR not behind their backs.

I would ask for those saying this is "the wrong way to go about this" how did you get approval for your wellness center? Did the student government vote to increase fees before or after you went to the BOR asking for approval. If i remember correctly the vote and everything happened before going to the BOR. Now that was behind the BOR back. This was done in collaboration with the BOR. Not sure whats hard to understand about that where a select few need to keep stating its the wrong way of going about it.

Clearly it was done with collaboration with the BOR because the BOR decided TODAY that they wanted a permanent solution to this. If it was done in collaboration with the BOR the temporary exemption would have gone through and Nielson would be under contract.

[goon]

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Why do USD fans use the wellness center to make bad examples? Seems pretty obvious how its different. Unless the USD fan is making a joke by making a bad example then I missed it, and good one.

[goon]

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The difference is the vote on the wellness center was done to show the BOR that the majority of students approved of it.

The majority of the USD new head coach apparently also approved it too.

The example of the wellness center would better fit for the process for getting new football or basketball arena, not a contract for a coach.

[JackrabbitGuy]

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I have long worried about this issue, and have raised my concerns several times on this board in different contexts. It is ironic that I recently posted that I now thought this issue was much less of a concern than I has always feared, but that comment was based largely on the fact the USD made what look to be successful hires in each of the big 3 sports without having an issue with multi-year contracts.

But alas, the issue does finally rear its ugly head. This may be just window dressing, and an opportunity for a South Dakota university to officially begin the conversation on this issue. I suspect that is more likely, because there is about 0% percent chance that they came to a salary agreement with Nielsen without the subject of multi-year contact coming up.

We will see what happens. I am glad the BOR didn't act on the one time exception, because I agree that if this is to be addressed, it needs to be addressed in a meaningful and lasting way. This could get very interesting.

Further more, it may just be good fortune for us SDSU fans that USD is pushing this issue forward now. I honestly hope this doesn't throw a wrench in the football hire for the Coyotes, but the issue being raised may just help get a final decision in place before SDSU finally needs to hire a new head coach in football, men's basektball or women's basketball.

I think whole issue of "we need multi-year contracts to attract quality coaches" is a bunch of bull. SDSU has long-tenured coaches in every one of the major sports and has had quality assistant coaches in those same programs that have been here for nearly as long.

The level of pay is a bigger issue than the number of years in the contracts. The last thing I want is handing out 5 year deals to anyone and then being stuck with a bad contract that will hamstring a program.

[JackrabbitGuy]

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Have to disagree on this. If this policy gets changed, then SDSU will definitely utilize multi-year contracts for coaching hires going forward. They absolutely, positively will.

I do not however think that multi year contracts will have any effect on SDSU's tendency to be very loyal with their quality coaches that they hire. I do not think that the policy change will create any change in the way we hire and treat our coaches, other than the fact that it will help in some way to attract some additional candidates.

My thoughts on the subject:
If USD wants to offer multi year contracts that's fine. USD and SDSU have had a long history of operating in very different fashions, so what does it matter if they want to do this differently also. I can totally understand why Nielson would want a multi year contract, as USD has gone through a fair amount of coaches in recent years. Even if the BOR does allow this to pass, I don't see SDSU changing to offering multi year contracts. They have a proven history of loyalty to coaches, even when records aren't what the fan base might want them to be. A SDSU coach would have to be just as unsuccessful off the court/field as on it to get canned.

[filbert]

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Have to disagree on this. If this policy gets changed, then SDSU will definitely utilize multi-year contracts for coaching hires going forward. They absolutely, positively will.

I do not however think that multi year contracts will have any effect on SDSU's tendency to be very loyal with their quality coaches that they hire. I do not think that the policy change will create any change in the way we hire and treat our coaches, other than the fact that it will help in some way to attract some additional candidates.

I disagree, to the extent that you will see coaches being retained until the end of their contracts, regardless of performance rather than pay out six-figure (and ultimately more, if this thing keeps spiraling out of control) buyouts to get rid of low-performing coaches.

The ONLY people who benefit from multi-year contracts are the coaches and their agents. It is a negative for everybody else concerned . . . the schools, the student-athletes, the fan bases . . . everybody else.

But the ship is sailing. It's not a matter of if any more, but of when, I think. USD's move with Nielsen has pretty much forced the hand of the BOR.

[joeboo22]

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Filbert is 100% right, multi year contracts don't do any good at a school like sdsu or USD, no coach is going to stay cuz of a small buyout in his contract if he wants to leave. Yeah you might get a few more applicants but that is it, and as a teacher I can already hear the why do sports get the exemption here, why don't all state employees?

[jackrabbit1979]

Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

There's no hope Cousin Eddie. A select few on this board have it made up in their mind laws were broken and nothing is going to change that. They cannot understand this was done in collaboration with the BOR not behind their backs.

I would ask for those saying this is "the wrong way to go about this" how did you get approval for your wellness center? Did the student government vote to increase fees before or after you went to the BOR asking for approval. If i remember correctly the vote and everything happened before going to the BOR. Now that was behind the BOR back. This was done in collaboration with the BOR. Not sure whats hard to understand about that where a select few need to keep stating its the wrong way of going about it.

Another useless example.

If you want an accurate comparison using the SDSU wellness center (which obviously you are hell bent on bringing into this conversation), what USD did with Nielsen would be like SDSU students voting on the increase, and then hiring a construction company to come and poor the foundation of the new building, as well as start hiring staff for the building, AND THEN going to the BOR and saying: look what we've done, we need to get this thing approved as we can't go back now.

Ridiculous.

[NorCalJack]

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Well I am sure that Coach Glenn told the AD at USD that this was his last year and the AD knew he was going to hire a new head coach. Why not ask the BOR to allow multi-year contracts during the fall months and be pro-active on the issue. Tell the BOR that he needed approval for multi-year contracts in order to attract quality candidates. But that would make sense and would take foresight on the AD's part. After all it is easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.