USD-I???

[JACKGUYII]

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The one player I covet on the Coyotes football roster is Stefan Logan. He would look great in blue. Would have been fun to see how he would have fared against the Jacks defense.

[jackmd]

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The one player I covet on the Coyotes football roster is Stefan Logan. He would look great in blue. Would have been fun to see how he would have fared against the Jacks defense.

How does he end up at USD or any DII school?  Is he that undersized?  Is it like the "UNO stud"?  Not looking for answers just posting some questions to ponder.

[Coyote_Fan]

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[quote author=JACKGUYII link=1152888676/15#15 date=1153952131]The one player I covet on the Coyotes football roster is Stefan Logan. He would look great in blue. Would have been fun to see how he would have fared against the Jacks defense.

How does he end up at USD or any DII school?  Is he that undersized?  Is it like the "UNO stud"?  Not looking for answers just posting some questions to ponder. [/quote]

Gosh you act as if good players can't be on D2 teams. There must be something wrong with a player if they are on a D2 team huh? Kind like all those years that SDSU was in D2 and had all those crappy players. Look at all the players from the former NCC that made the NFL. There is alot of them. Logan ended up at USD because USD was one of only teams that showed any interest in him when he sent out his highlight tapes. USD took a chance on him because of his upside and in turn Logan is showing his loyalty to USD because they were the ones that gave him his shot. Not to hard to figure that one out.

[jackrabit1]

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Gee, by that logic, if we had crappy players at SDSU, the USD players must have been GOD AWFUL!

[Rabbitlivinginverm]

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[quote author=JACKGUYII link=1152888676/15#15 date=1153952131]The one player I covet on the Coyotes football roster is Stefan Logan. He would look great in blue. Would have been fun to see how he would have fared against the Jacks defense.

How does he end up at USD or any DII school?  Is he that undersized?  Is it like the "UNO stud"?  Not looking for answers just posting some questions to ponder. [/quote]

I watched Logan play a couple of times when I lived in Vermville. He's good, he's damn good. I haven't seen many players with as much speed and quickness as him. He's also small, I want to say 5'6" or 5'7" and 170 lbs but he more than makes up for his lack of size with all the other intangibles. I think there were some academic problems coming out of H.S. In fact, I don't think he played any FB for a year or two following H.S. Maybe some yote fans can clear that up. Whatever the reason, he seems to be on the right track now and is doing good things for USD.

[RodentiaX1]

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D-I is what is known as a higher level of competition. Now, USD fans don't seem to want to acknowledge this. Presumably, they will acknowledge this if they move to D-I themselves. D-II teams do occasionally get a player with D-I talent who somehow escaped the notice of the D-I coaches.

[JackTwice]

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Logan did play against SDSU in our last year of D-II. I believe he had a pretty decent game but maybe fumbled a couple times, a game we won in the dome something like 22-11.

[jackphd]

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Gosh you act as if good players can't be on D2 teams. There must be something wrong with a player if they are on a D2 team huh? Kind like all those years that SDSU was in D2 and had all those crappy players. Look at all the players from the former NCC that made the NFL. There is alot of them. Logan ended up at USD because USD was one of only teams that showed any interest in him when he sent out his highlight tapes. USD took a chance on him because of his upside and in turn Logan is showing his loyalty to USD because they were the ones that gave him his shot. Not to hard to figure that one out.

I haven't seen Logan play except on TV, and he looked really, really good. No doubt there are other players on USD's squad who would be very good D1AA players. SDSU had a bunch of guys in the past couple of years who proved they could compete at that level. The difference between an amazing season, though, and a couple of 6-5 seasons, is the lack to this point of game-changing players for SDSU. One more big play against Montana and we could have beaten the Griz. One more big play against Cal-Poly, and we could have beaten them. Maybe a guy like Logan would have made the difference. But he wouldn't be dodging Augie or Crookston defenders at this level. He'd be running away from the likes of Chris Gocong from Cal-Poly. I don't think there are very many players like that in the NCC.

[Coyote_Fan]

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[quote author=jackmd link=1152888676/15#16 date=1154492723][quote author=JACKGUYII link=1152888676/15#15 date=1153952131]The one player I covet on the Coyotes football roster is Stefan Logan. He would look great in blue. Would have been fun to see how he would have fared against the Jacks defense.

How does he end up at USD or any DII school?  Is he that undersized?  Is it like the "UNO stud"?  Not looking for answers just posting some questions to ponder. [/quote]

I watched Logan play a couple of times when I lived in Vermville.  He's good, he's damn good.  I haven't seen many players with as much speed and quickness as him.  He's also small, I want to say 5'6" or 5'7" and 170 lbs but he more than makes up for his lack of size with all the other intangibles.  I think there were some academic problems coming out of H.S.  In fact, I don't think he played any FB for a year or two following H.S.  Maybe some yote fans can clear that up.  Whatever the reason, he seems to be on the right track now and is doing good things for USD.
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Vermillion Rabbit I am going to give you a ton of credit here. You talked up Logan without having about 5,000 Buts attached to it. Kudo's to you. Not many other people stand up and admit something like that. The thing that most people that don't watch Logan on a regular basis don't realize is how tough of a runner he is.

The Jacks have had good players but they weren't ever able to put together good offense and good defense in the same year. When Ranek was with you and when Nelson (QB) was with you, your offense was very good but the defense was not quite up to the level of the offense. Actually the SDSU style of offense when they passed alot and the USD offense who has always run alot would be a perfect fit for each others stadium. Now the Yotes pass more and the Jacks run more but for many years SDSU would have been better off in the Dakotadome and the Coyotes outside in the windy Coughlin Alumni.

[Coyote_Fan]

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I think that the biggest difference between D1AA and D2 isn't necessarily the top level teams as much as it is the depth of good teams in D1AA. When the NCC was in it's prime in the 80's and 90's I think almost everyone would agree that they were of a similar caliber to many D1AA schools. Maybe not the top 10 of D1AA but just about everyone else. I think UNO, USD, UND could all come into D1AA and be competitive right away but wouldn't have many 2 loss type seasons. 7-4 would be a typical season that those teams could be able to reach. The lower 20% of D1AA teams would likely be taken to the woodshead by the better D2 teams. Just the same would be true when comparing D3 to the bottom D2 teams.

[jackphd]

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I think that the biggest difference between D1AA and D2 isn't necessarily the top level teams as much as it is the depth of good teams in D1AA. When the NCC was in it's prime in the 80's and 90's I think almost everyone would agree that they were of a similar caliber to many D1AA schools. Maybe not the top 10 of D1AA but just about everyone else. I think UNO, USD, UND could all come into D1AA and be competitive right away but wouldn't have many 2 loss type seasons. 7-4 would be a typical season that those teams could be able to reach. The lower 20% of D1AA teams would likely be taken to the woodshead by the better D2 teams. Just the same would be true when comparing D3 to the bottom D2 teams.

I don't know. Maybe those 80s and 90s teams would jump in and go 7-4. But I doubt that any 36-scholarship D2 team could jump in today and go 7-4 against 63-scholarship 1AA competition. USD could beat Southern Utah, I'm sure (worst team I saw last year... worse than Valpo) but after that it gets pretty tough in the Great West. And if you go to regional 1AAs, you've got UNI, Montana, Montana State. Not an easy game there. I'm not dogging on USD. I'm impressed with what Meierkort has done there. He brought a speedier game to the field and it has been very successful. They would be well positioned to move up, assuming the money (double your current budget and you're about there) could be found. But if you think the jump from D2 to 1AA for even top D2 teams would mean little change in the level of competition today, you need to watch a few of these 1AA teams play. They're awfully fast and deep.

[Jacks02]

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[quote author=Coyote_Fan link=1152888676/15#24 date=1154576041]I think that the biggest difference between D1AA and D2 isn't necessarily the top level teams as much as it is the depth of good teams in D1AA.  When the NCC was in it's prime in the 80's and 90's I think almost everyone would agree that they were of a similar caliber to many D1AA schools.  Maybe not the top 10 of D1AA but just about everyone else.  I think UNO, USD, UND could all come into D1AA and be competitive right away but wouldn't have many 2 loss type seasons.  7-4 would be a typical season that those teams could be able to reach.   The lower 20% of D1AA teams would likely be taken to the woodshead by the better D2 teams.  Just the same would be true when comparing D3 to the bottom D2 teams.  

I don't know. Maybe those 80s and 90s teams would jump in and go 7-4. But I doubt that any 36-scholarship D2 team could jump in today and go 7-4 against 63-scholarship 1AA competition. USD could beat Southern Utah, I'm sure (worst team I saw last year... worse than Valpo) but after that it gets pretty tough in the Great West. And if you go to regional 1AAs, you've got UNI, Montana, Montana State. Not an easy game there. I'm not dogging on USD. I'm impressed with what Meierkort has done there. He brought a speedier game to the field and it has been very successful. They would be well positioned to move up, assuming the money (double your current budget and you're about there) could be found. But if you think the jump from D2 to 1AA for even top D2 teams would mean little change in the level of competition today, you need to watch a few of these 1AA teams play. They're awfully fast and deep.[/quote]

I was utterly amazed last year watching the game against Georgia Southern. They were so unbelievably quick, and that was after I had watched us against Cal Poly and UC Davis, two other very good DIAA programs. People just don't realize how much of a step up it is from D2 to DIAA. Sure, there the top D2 teams could beat the bottom DIAA teams, but to make Coyote_Fan's claim correct I think you'd have to change that top 10 number to more like top 40 or 50.

Remember its not just the extra 27 scholarships that are all the difference, the recruits gotten into a DIAA program are generally a higher caliber athlete than we used to get in D2. Just look at where our football players have come from the last 3 seasons.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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My dad went to the Georgia Southern game last year and said that was the fastest team he's ever seen. He also saw the Cal Poly game and said their level of team speed was still just a notch above ours, especially their WR who just killed us. My dad is an SDSU grad, saw my uncle play the majority of his games when he played for SDSU in the 70's and saw every one one of the games I was involved in for a 5 year span in the mid-late 90's at SDSU. I'd say he's seen enough teams to make the distinction. Simply put, the overall athletic talent at 1AA is better than D2 - even the NCC when it was at it's highest point. I don't have any problem saying that and I played in the NCC when it was probably at it's peak in football and have one of my best friends still playing in the NFL with Steve Heiden, so I've seen the talent. USD fans can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that the talent is better or maybe just don't want to now that they finally have had a run of some good teams.

By the way, the point about how the dome used to suit SDSU better than USD is an interesting one. I'd agree to an extent and would say that has a lot to do with our success in the dome in the last 20 years. I know when I played, it always felt like I had an extra oomph when playing on the turf. You could cut faster and get going quicker than on grass. When Daly was here we ran a one back, passing offense while USD ran that goofy option attack. Stig has gone from a power running team with Ranek, to a passing team with Nelson, back to a power running team with our current squads.

Also, I have to agree Logan is a stud. I'm sure he's happy he chose USD. He's found a huge amount of success there. He probably would be splitting time at SDSU with our stock of RBs and would probably not have had the opportunity to play as early as he did at SDSU. Plus, if he's not the prototypical turf player, I don't know who is. He reminds me of the college version of Warrick Dunn. Playing for USD and having the offense they have is the perfect fit for him.

[89rabbit]

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  The lower 20% of D1AA teams would likely be taken to the woodshead by the better D2 teams.  Just the same would be true when comparing D3 to the bottom D2 teams.  

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Wisconsin La-Crosse (a D-III school) beat USD a few years ago. ;D


Go State!

[Haldersham]

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[quote author=Coyote_Fan link=1152888676/15#24 date=1154576041]   The lower 20% of D1AA teams would likely be taken to the woodshead by the better D2 teams.  Just the same would be true when comparing D3 to the bottom D2 teams.  

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Wisconsin La-Crosse (a D-III school) beat USD a few years ago.   ;D


Go State!  
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89:
You are correct, but Coyote Fan will point out that USD was then being coached by their worst coach in history John Austin. Coyote Fan will tell you how much of a bum he was. John to his credit brought some pretty good talent from Iowa when he came to USD. Also resposnible for recruiting Beschoner and the guy who transferred to U of M for track. What Austin missed in coaching ability, he made up in recruiting. I always thought of Coach Austin as a gentleman.  In my opinion Mierkort has lived off Austin's recruiting and now going into year three of his own era, we will see how he does at recruiting.  The biggest blows to USD were the loss of the former NDSU assistant Cariuso who moved on to Carleton to become the head coach  and now tragic accident with  Freidel. Coaching this coming year may not look as good as it has been thee past three years. I do give Meirkort credit for surrounding himself with good coaches.  

I think the biggest point often ignored when talking about the sucess of the USD program and especially last season, was that they could not win on the road. Duluth, SCSU both got into the playoffs and they did that on the basis of face to face competition. USD COULD NOT WIN ON THE ROAD, but can bash Crookston in the Dome. I think its a little premature to put USD in the same sentence as UND as a D2 power.