USD transfers already beginning

[mitchell2006]

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oh, and I'll agree with everyone else, bragging up the dakota dome is pretty pathetic. I wouldn't want to play high school football there let alone college football.

[2002jack]

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[Being a fan of SDSU which pretty much has a monopoly on how NOT to run a mens basketball program both morally and competitively you have no room to talk here.  USD could exceed what the Joke Rabids have done in D1 in their sleep.  Jackrabbit fans are going to look back at this transition time as a big embarrasment and black eye for SDSU.  The dome apparently is not that big of an issue to the talent that is currently on the roster.  I realise good and well that the dome isn't a great facility for basketball but at least it's not going to sell out easily like Frost.  As much as you Joke Rabid fans like to make fun of the dome you conveniently forget how much better of a facility it is for football and how much better it is as a home field advantage compared to Cough-Cough-Coughlin Alumni which is nothing more than a mud hole surrounded by a bleachers.   By the way a bit of trivia, when was the last year that SDSU has won a playoff game?  Better dust off the archives for that one.  Alot of you like to talk smack but your current basketball program is a joke and you football history is just about as bad.   And so many of you think that USD won't even compete with the Jacks in either sport, laugh, laugh, laugh.   ;D

I would have to agree with you, the dome will never sell out for basketball.

Coughlin can easily be expanded at minimal cost, expanding the DakotaDump will be extremely expensive if not impossible.

SDSU has a facility master plan that can be viewed by the public. Does USD have a facility master plan? Do they have any plan at all?

[goon]

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[quote author=joeboo22 link=1176877474/30#40 date=1177401248]When they sold out the State football game between O'gorman and Yankton I was told that it was just over 6,000.. I'm shure they can cram a few more for basketball and make it 8 in which over half are useless... The difference is when they actually draw a crowd for basketball other then the student section you can hardly tell anybody is there.

What are you talking about? I have a real urge to go to your high school and slap your English teacher!

The Dakotadome, as I guess you are talking about, holds just shy of 10,000 for football. I can't find the records or any updated info on their website, but I seem to recall the last time SDSU was there the attendance was a little over 9600.
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8681 for the last sdsu game in the dump.

[bub94]

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SDSUcks, here are a few realities for you:

The Dakota Dome is not a DI facility no matter how much you and other USD fans love it.  Frost is.  Coughlin has come a long way, and it will only continue to improve.  You remind me of someone trying to trade in a used car thinking it is worth $10,000 when its really worth $6000.  The dealer can show you the same car online priced at 6, he can show you book value at 6, but you just won't listen.  To you that car is worth $10000, so you leave the lot in a huff thinking, "What a crook, there isn't anything wrong with my car.  I'll keep driving it."  And the value keeps going down.

The talent on your teams is pretty good....for DII.  You will most likely find that they will not stack up all that great with the teams you will play against in transition to DI, much less conference play (if you find a conference).

In DI, fans typically get excited about high school or junior college recruits.  We don't get too worked up about has beens who couldn't cut it at another DI school.

There is this small speed bump known as the transition period.  It is tough.  

There is another speed bump known as conference affiliation.  SDSU and NDSU got extremely lucky in finding a conference home so quickly.  It will be extremely difficult to find a conference to play in, especially with sub-DI facilities.
No matter how much you wave your arms and stomp your feet, no matter how biased SDSU fans are, no matter how great you think USD will be in a few years (without providing any roadmap to success), it does not change these realities.

This is a big factor for USD.  Will they be able to find a conference.  They might expect SDSU/NDSU to put in a good word for them to join the Mid-Con, but I don't think that will be the case.

I also think we can expand Frost for additional seating. I have gone to USD-SDSU games in the dome and was not impressed with the seating arrangement. The majority of the seating is the football seats and those people can't see half the court because of the temp. seats moved in for the basketball games.

[2002jack]

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The DakotaDome is a nice DII facility.

[thebluehatman]

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[quote author=SF_Rabbit_Fan link=1176877474/30#43 date=1177429680]SDSUcks, here are a few realities for you:

The Dakota Dome is not a DI facility no matter how much you and other USD fans love it.  Frost is.  Coughlin has come a long way, and it will only continue to improve.  You remind me of someone trying to trade in a used car thinking it is worth $10,000 when its really worth $6000.  The dealer can show you the same car online priced at 6, he can show you book value at 6, but you just won't listen.  To you that car is worth $10000, so you leave the lot in a huff thinking, "What a crook, there isn't anything wrong with my car.  I'll keep driving it."  And the value keeps going down.

The talent on your teams is pretty good....for DII.  You will most likely find that they will not stack up all that great with the teams you will play against in transition to DI, much less conference play (if you find a conference).

In DI, fans typically get excited about high school or junior college recruits.  We don't get too worked up about has beens who couldn't cut it at another DI school.

There is this small speed bump known as the transition period.  It is tough.  

There is another speed bump known as conference affiliation.  SDSU and NDSU got extremely lucky in finding a conference home so quickly.  It will be extremely difficult to find a conference to play in, especially with sub-DI facilities.
No matter how much you wave your arms and stomp your feet, no matter how biased SDSU fans are, no matter how great you think USD will be in a few years (without providing any roadmap to success), it does not change these realities.

This is a big factor for USD.  Will they be able to find a conference.  They might expect SDSU/NDSU to put in a good word for them to join the Mid-Con, but I don't think that will be the case.

I also think we can expand Frost for additional seating.  I have gone to USD-SDSU games in the dome and was not impressed with the seating arrangement.  The majority of the seating is the football seats and those people can't see half the court because of the temp. seats moved in for the basketball games.[/quote]
SDSU putting in a good word for USD. Don't kid yourself ;D ;D ;D ;D

[SDSUcks]

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SDSUcks, here are a few realities for you:

The Dakota Dome is not a DI facility no matter how much you and other USD fans love it.  Frost is.  Coughlin has come a long way, and it will only continue to improve.  You remind me of someone trying to trade in a used car thinking it is worth $10,000 when its really worth $6000.  The dealer can show you the same car online priced at 6, he can show you book value at 6, but you just won't listen.  To you that car is worth $10000, so you leave the lot in a huff thinking, "What a crook, there isn't anything wrong with my car.  I'll keep driving it."  And the value keeps going down.

The talent on your teams is pretty good....for DII.  You will most likely find that they will not stack up all that great with the teams you will play against in transition to DI, much less conference play (if you find a conference).

In DI, fans typically get excited about high school or junior college recruits.  We don't get too worked up about has beens who couldn't cut it at another DI school.

There is this small speed bump known as the transition period.  It is tough.  

There is another speed bump known as conference affiliation.  SDSU and NDSU got extremely lucky in finding a conference home so quickly.  It will be extremely difficult to find a conference to play in, especially with sub-DI facilities.

No matter how much you wave your arms and stomp your feet, no matter how biased SDSU fans are, no matter how great you think USD will be in a few years (without providing any roadmap to success), it does not change these realities.

The Dakotadome in actuality is a mid level D1 facility. If you haven't already I invite some of you SDSU fans that don't know already to look at some of the football facilities in D1 FCS football as there are some that are very poor. Alot of the facilities especially towards the eastern part of the country are just bad facilities. You can either go to the different school websites or just simple look at some of them on Google Earth. You wouldn't be calling the Dakota Dome such a dump if you saw some of the other facilities for football around the country. There are some very, very nice ones but also some real dumps.

Everyone at USD knows that USD needs a new basketball facility. That is not news, it's just a matter of when, not if. Hopefully for USD it will be sooner than later but I am sure more info about that will come out sometime in the future. USD knows this and it is in the planning. Needing a basketball facility was not dependant on whether USD went D1 or stayed D2, it is needed period.

[SDSUcks]

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[quote author=SF_Rabbit_Fan link=1176877474/30#43 date=1177429680]SDSUcks, here are a few realities for you:

The Dakota Dome is not a DI facility no matter how much you and other USD fans love it.  Frost is.  Coughlin has come a long way, and it will only continue to improve.  You remind me of someone trying to trade in a used car thinking it is worth $10,000 when its really worth $6000.  The dealer can show you the same car online priced at 6, he can show you book value at 6, but you just won't listen.  To you that car is worth $10000, so you leave the lot in a huff thinking, "What a crook, there isn't anything wrong with my car.  I'll keep driving it."  And the value keeps going down.

The talent on your teams is pretty good....for DII.  You will most likely find that they will not stack up all that great with the teams you will play against in transition to DI, much less conference play (if you find a conference).

In DI, fans typically get excited about high school or junior college recruits.  We don't get too worked up about has beens who couldn't cut it at another DI school.

There is this small speed bump known as the transition period.  It is tough.  

There is another speed bump known as conference affiliation.  SDSU and NDSU got extremely lucky in finding a conference home so quickly.  It will be extremely difficult to find a conference to play in, especially with sub-DI facilities.

No matter how much you wave your arms and stomp your feet, no matter how biased SDSU fans are, no matter how great you think USD will be in a few years (without providing any roadmap to success), it does not change these realities.

USD fans will have to come to realize that these are the realities. Will USD have some successes in their DI transition, of course they will. Will they have some hard times, of course they will. With hard times probably out numbering the good ones.
One thing you have to remember is that SDSU made the move because they felt it was needed and that they were ready to improve on what they had. USD is making the move because they feel forced and that they don't have any other option. If USD was certain that they can suceed at DI, than they would have made the move when we did.  
So to USD fans, will you probably be able to match what SDSU did in it's trasitioning years, except for probably women's basketball, but the difference will be where the programs are 10 years after the DI move. I expect SDSU to be in good shape, where I see USD most likely struggling, especially if they don't find a conference for all sports. The Mid-Con is currently full.[/quote]


If you want to say that USD made the move because they were forced that is probably somewhat true but not necessarily. It that was totally true than why didn't Minnesota State and St. Cloud State both make the move as well. Both have higher enrollments and have D1 hockey. USD didn't just move up blindly. They probably have more dedicated alumni than some of the other schools that decided to stay D2. It has already been stated by the Coyote Boosters that the money is in place to afford the move. What that means we will see. Moving up likely had to do with the flagship distinction as well. When feelers were sent out years ago USD was in favor of the NCC moving to D1 as a whole. They just didn't want to make the venture alone which was a concern of many SDSU fans eventhough they had NDSU to transition with. I was never against SDSU or NDSU moving up. Some USD people were against it but I wasn't. For that I don't think USD people shouldn't be lumped like many SDSU fans want to do. I never held anything against SDSU when they made the move. I felt it was the best thing for them to do as I feel USD's move is the right thing as well.

[SDSUcks]

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oh, and I'll agree with everyone else, bragging up the dakota dome is pretty pathetic. I wouldn't want to play high school football there let alone college football.

There is nothing wrong with the Dakota Dome as a football facility. It gives a very good home field advantage. USD finally has the team to take advantage of it. The dome is actually a better home field advantage than Coughlin Alumni Stadium as is Frost over the dome for basketball. I think anyone that is objective would agree with both statements.

By the way I would like to know of a high school field in South Dakota that would be considered better than the dome. Maybe on par but I doubt many other facilities can claim to be better.

[1bunnies]

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[quote author=JacksFan06 link=1176877474/45#45 date=1177435422]oh, and I'll agree with everyone else, bragging up the dakota dome is pretty pathetic. I wouldn't want to play high school football there let alone college football.

There is nothing wrong with the Dakota Dome as a football facility.  It gives a very good home field advantage.  USD finally has the team to take advantage of it.  The dome is actually a better home field advantage than Coughlin Alumni Stadium as is Frost over the dome for basketball.  I think anyone that is objective would agree with both statements.  

By the way I would like to know of a high school field in South Dakota that would be considered better than the dome.  Maybe on par but I doubt many other facilities can claim to be better.  [/quote]
The Dakota Dome would be better suited for grain storage. Isn't there an ethanol plant nearby.

[SDSUcks]

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[quote author=SDSUcks link=1176877474/45#53 date=1177460691][quote author=JacksFan06 link=1176877474/45#45 date=1177435422]oh, and I'll agree with everyone else, bragging up the dakota dome is pretty pathetic. I wouldn't want to play high school football there let alone college football.

There is nothing wrong with the Dakota Dome as a football facility.  It gives a very good home field advantage.  USD finally has the team to take advantage of it.  The dome is actually a better home field advantage than Coughlin Alumni Stadium as is Frost over the dome for basketball.  I think anyone that is objective would agree with both statements.  

By the way I would like to know of a high school field in South Dakota that would be considered better than the dome.  Maybe on par but I doubt many other facilities can claim to be better.  [/quote]
The Dakota Dome would be better suited for grain storage. Isn't there an ethanol plant nearby.[/quote]

You would be saying the same thing about any facility if USD played in it so your comments about the dome are actually quite biased and irrelevant. Actually SDSU has alot more need for grain storage than USD does so you might want to find a facility up in Brookings for that purpose. Coughlin Alumni already serves that prupose anyway along with a good portion of the campus. If I need farm supplies or accessories I know where to go. Which class is it again that I can attend to learn how to plant a cornfield again.

[UWMandSDSU]

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[quote author=JacksFan06 link=1176877474/45#45 date=1177435422]oh, and I'll agree with everyone else, bragging up the dakota dome is pretty pathetic. I wouldn't want to play high school football there let alone college football.

By the way I would like to know of a high school field in South Dakota that would be considered better than the dome.  Maybe on par but I doubt many other facilities can claim to be better.  [/quote]

The one Brookings high school plays on. ;D

[joeboo22]

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As I heard on the radio one time. "watching football in the dakota dome is like watching basketball with pads on. You have the plywood wall behind the endzone and the basketball bleachers on one side"

[valleyrabbit]

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[quote author=1bunnies link=1176877474/45#54 date=1177461883][quote author=SDSUcks link=1176877474/45#53 date=1177460691][quote author=JacksFan06 link=1176877474/45#45 date=1177435422]oh, and I'll agree with everyone else, bragging up the dakota dome is pretty pathetic. I wouldn't want to play high school football there let alone college football.

There is nothing wrong with the Dakota Dome as a football facility.  It gives a very good home field advantage.  USD finally has the team to take advantage of it.  The dome is actually a better home field advantage than Coughlin Alumni Stadium as is Frost over the dome for basketball.  I think anyone that is objective would agree with both statements.  

By the way I would like to know of a high school field in South Dakota that would be considered better than the dome.  Maybe on par but I doubt many other facilities can claim to be better.  [/quote]
The Dakota Dome would be better suited for grain storage. Isn't there an ethanol plant nearby.[/quote]

You would be saying the same thing about any facility if USD played in it so your comments about the dome are actually quite biased and irrelevant.  Actually SDSU has alot more need for grain storage than USD does so you might want to find a facility up in Brookings for that purpose.  Coughlin Alumni already serves that prupose anyway along with a good portion of the campus.  If I need farm supplies or accessories I know where to go.  Which class is it again that I can attend to learn how to plant a cornfield again.    
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PS 103/103A- Crop Production and Lab is the class you will learn about corn and various crops. I took it as a freshman. Good course. Now tell me what classes in your high and mighty business school that teaches about advertising and how you were so smart to give your advertising revenue on your scoreboards to Daktronics while SDSU is keeping their advertising revenue from their scoreboards. This is because we paid for our scoreboards and Dak paid for yours. Or what class is it that you learn how to finance a student union and spend two school years to build it because you are short on funds for it? Or how about the class on strategic planning on how you waited to go D-I until you were forced to rather than when the time?

My degree from SDSU is serving me quite well. I learned about a lot of things probably more about real world business than your B-school teaches and I have an engineering degree. Let me know about those business classes at U dot that I asked about.

[West_River_Jack]

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[quote author=JacksFan06 link=1176877474/45#45 date=1177435422]oh, and I'll agree with everyone else, bragging up the dakota dome is pretty pathetic. I wouldn't want to play high school football there let alone college football.

There is nothing wrong with the Dakota Dome as a football facility.  It gives a very good home field advantage.  USD finally has the team to take advantage of it.  The dome is actually a better home field advantage than Coughlin Alumni Stadium as is Frost over the dome for basketball.  I think anyone that is objective would agree with both statements.  

By the way I would like to know of a high school field in South Dakota that would be considered better than the dome.  Maybe on par but I doubt many other facilities can claim to be better.  [/quote]

I would beg to differ about the Dakota Dome having nothing wrong with it as a football facility.  

1)  It is too small for the number of seats.  It doesn't matter where in the chair seating you are at, other than the first row, you cannot see the action on the near sideline, and

2)  Often times a major home field advantage translates into a major disadvantage when the home team plays on the road.  What is the USD road record over the years since they have been in the dome compared to their home record?  You can't be a successful team without winning a respectable percentage of your road games, especially during those transition years when good home games are hard to get.

3)  The fuzzy concrete surface . . .     . . . maybe more abrasive than fuzzy . . .

On the positive side, the weather is usually pretty good in there.