Sioux nickname change likely with tribe stand

[filbert]

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Head over to the sioux forums and you will see they are a Lock in the Big Sky, and the Summit is a horrible conference!!


oh yeah, when you show them proof the Summit and BSC are about equal they deny and hide!!!!

Well, to be fair, a lot of xDSU fans once had a similar misconception about the Big Sky as well . . .

[Hammersmith]

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Is the SBoHE an elected board?

If not, then what the (insert intensifier here) are these people afraid of?

The governor appoints them, but the legislature has some say. The president of the board was kicked off a couple years ago when the 5(?) member leg. committee refused to confirm him for another term. This was in response to the Chapman/Potts feud which caused the board to fire Potts. But even more than that, it's the legislature that holds the purse strings and the board can never ignore that. We have our idiot legislators just like you. And if enough of them band together, they can cause real problems for the board. It wasn't more than twenty years ago when the financials of the ND University System were micromanaged by the leg. Only with the creation of the Legislative Roundtable(a group that acts as a buffer between the leg. and the university system), have the universities been able to act independently. This coincided with probably the greatest period of overall university growth in ND history(not just at NDSU, but system-wide). If enough people get their panties in a bunch over the nickname, it could be the tipping point for the leg. to stick its noses back into the system and undo the last twenty years of work.

[SoDakJack]

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This issue is just amazing to me. The fact that one sport (hockey) can hold an entire athletic department hostage is amazing. One question I have is where does the WCHA stand on this whole issue? I would think that this would be a black eye for them too at some point.

[zooropa]

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If enough people get their panties in a bunch over the nickname, it could be the tipping point for the leg. to stick its noses back into the system and undo the last twenty years of work.

And, see, I don't get why the SBoHE would fear -that- as a consequence of decisive action on the nickname.

If anything, the past three years of thumb-twiddling, thumb sucking, and thumb sitting (hopefully in that order), demonstrates that the SBoHE is unfit to handle any serious issue affecting the university system--and (theoretically) a more powerful argument for legislative overhaul (and perhaps micromanagement) than decisive action on the issue.

I mean, if the SBoHE is afraid that acting decisively in a fashion that is temporarily unpopular will bring calls for stricter oversight from legislative yay-hoos, then what will be the consequence of doing nothing for three years?

IMO, a logical and reasoned case can be made for overhauling ND's university governance, based on this & the Chapman debacle. Whereas calls to overhaul the SBoHE based on a decision to drop the nickname would come across as nothing more than sour grapes from legislators that have no idea where their true responsibilities lie.

And maybe I'm completely out in left field here, but I just don't get the hysterical attachment to the nickname. Cryin' out loud. I got a great education from South Dakota State, regardless of what their athletic program calls itself, and I am impressed by the conduct and character of SDSU's coaches and athletes, regardless of what the team mascot looks like.

As Juliet said (more or less), 'a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.'

[tjbison]

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Well, to be fair, a lot of xDSU fans once had a similar misconception about the Big Sky as well . . .

Oh I know, but there were not any other schools in our region that were turned down at the time, now they think they will be admitted even after we were let down

[tjbison]

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This issue is just amazing to me. The fact that one sport (hockey) can hold an entire athletic department hostage is amazing. One question I have is where does the WCHA stand on this whole issue? I would think that this would be a black eye for them too at some point.

Well I would think they will have something to say eventually, especially when MN and WI will only play them due to conference obligation.

[SoDakJack]

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Well I would think they will have something to say eventually, especially when MN and WI will only play them due to conference obligation.

Why doesn't the hockey conference put a little pressure on them too? It can't look good for them either. I imagine that if hey were told that either they change their logo or they will not be allowed to compete they would cover that stuff us so fast their heads would spin.

[tjbison]

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Why doesn't the hockey conference put a little pressure on them too? It can't look good for them either. I imagine that if hey were told that either they change their logo or they will not be allowed to compete they would cover that stuff us so fast their heads would spin.

Short answer IMO is Money, UND and MN are the heavy hitters in the WCHA for money, look at the Frozen four appearances for those 2, I know there isn't alot of Competition in college hockey but UND and MN are like Florida and USC in the hockey world

[CatchEmAll]

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The most descriptive word for the situation with the school in Grand Forks begins with "cluster" I believe . . .

I'm guessing it rhymes with "duck" as well.

[HoboJack]

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Short answer IMO is Money, UND and MN are the heavy hitters in the WCHA for money, look at the Frozen four appearances for those 2, I know there isn't alot of Competition in college hockey but UND and MN are like Florida and USC in the hockey world

I don't understand this arguement. How does having UND in the WCHA doesn't give any of the other programs more money? What's in it for the other WCHA programs to sit by and let this controversy continue?

[filbert]

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I'm guessing it rhymes with "duck" as well.

I think you've tuned to my wavelength . . .

[TeaJackrabbit]

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Anyone ever seen "It's A Wonderful Life"?

You know that scene where Jimmy Stewart's going on about wanting to shake the dust off his feet and see the world? And the guy that yells out the window: "Why don't you kiss her instead of talking her to death"?

Well, the SBoHE needs to change this nickname instead of talking it to death.

All the SBoHE has done is talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk and when they've gotten tired of talking they've whiled away the days and hours with long bouts of hand sitting, vast stretches of butt scratching, and the occasional whimsy of a deadline with no more teeth than a superannuated garter snake.

One cannot respect any participant in this debate. The SBoHE has displayed the sort of strategic insight that one is accustomed to see from headless chickens, one tribe issued a meaningless and unenforceable proclamation, while the other says, "we'd love to talk, as long as we don't have to talk about anything in particular."

The boosters who are threatening to take their money and go home like so many whiny spoiled four year olds, the Ralph Englestad Arena trust which claims to be thoroughly uninvolved in this despite its continual meddling in UND affairs, and the nickname opponents who would embarrass LaRouche Democrats and UFO enthusiasts with some of their conspiracy theories.

Some people have said that this should be turned into a book.

Such an idea is absolutely ludicrous.

Not only is there no hero in this story, there are no villains (except a dead nazi)---in short the only characters are dupes, rubes, wind bags, and thumb twiddlers; and if you think you can get something exciting out of that......

Great post!

[TeaJackrabbit]

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Head over to the sioux forums and you will see they are a Lock in the Big Sky, and the Summit is a horrible conference!!


oh yeah, when you show them proof the Summit and BSC are about equal they deny and hide!!!!

The Big Sky turned down the xDSU's b/c of geography, right? So why then would they want UND?

Let them say they Summit is awful after they finish 8th or below for 5 straight years, which is exactly what they would do. Is this the same "FCS" school that just lost to a NAIA? Big Sky...ha! You should be happy if not lucky to get in the Summit.

[TeaJackrabbit]

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I lived 20 minutes from Brand Forks for 5 years. Still have alot of family up there and alot of friends who are UND grads. Proud to say I coached one of the best baseball players to every play at UND. I still remember where I was when I heard the news that Ralph was building the new, big arena. My aunt, now retired, sold gaming equipment to one of the tribes for years and years. One day, many years ago (10?) we talked about the Fighting Sioux nickname. I don't remember all the specifics but I remember her telling me that UND recieved premission for the nickname and that they and the Native American people of ND considered it an honor. That said, just change the stinkin name already!

If given the choice btw toiling in D1 Independent hell and changing the Jackrabbits to the Jackelopes or Hoppers or Cubby's or Nagy's or Frosty's or anything else I would change my name yesterday. But, like it has been pointed out, hockey is by far king up there and as long as they have that and have the highest selling hockey jersey I suppose they might be okay playing in this rinky-dink GWC. Have fun with that....

[tjbison]

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I lived 20 minutes from Brand Forks for 5 years. Still have alot of family up there and alot of friends who are UND grads. Proud to say I coached one of the best baseball players to every play at UND. I still remember where I was when I heard the news that Ralph was building the new, big arena. My aunt, now retired, sold gaming equipment to one of the tribes for years and years. One day, many years ago (10?) we talked about the Fighting Sioux nickname. I don't remember all the specifics but I remember her telling me that UND recieved premission for the nickname and that they and the Native American people of ND considered it an honor. That said, just change the stinkin name already!

If given the choice btw toiling in D1 Independent hell and changing the Jackrabbits to the Jackelopes or Hoppers or Cubby's or Nagy's or Frosty's or anything else I would change my name yesterday. But, like it has been pointed out, hockey is by far king up there and as long as they have that and have the highest selling hockey jersey I suppose they might be okay playing in this rinky-dink GWC. Have fun with that....

Very UNTRUE, THEY (UND) consider it an Honor, but many Natives HATE the nickname and the LOGO (yes I know first hand but will not get into details on here), but to UND's defense there are also many Natives that don't care either way.