Will a New AD Mean USD vs SDSU Sooner or Later

[filbert]

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I'm generally a supporter of the "hire new blood from outside" view towards major hires at SDSU.

Although if we can find someone like Chicoine (been to SDSU, gone off and made his mark elsewhere, and looking to come back) that works, too. I just don't know who we've sent out into the wide world of college athletics who might be in a position to come back as A.D.

If there's some assistant A.D. at another of the midwestern Land Grants (Big XII, Big 10) who's looking at an opportunity to move up, that would work quite well for me as well.

I'm really interested in seeing who we'll get for candidates.

[Nidaros]

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I actually agree with you 4life. I just think that Fred was a major roadblock in those games being scheduled (and I fully support that decision) and now that he is retiring some of those feelings won't be in the way of scheduling the games.

By the way. Love that quote Btown. That is classic smack if I've ever seen it.

I think it would appropriate to remind the coyote crazies and all the other Fred haters of the imfamous Richard Nixon statement to reporters after losing the Calif Gov race in 1962 or maybe 1964 " You won't have Richard Nixon to kick around anymore as I am finished with politics." Of course RN ran and was elected in 1968, but I dont think Fred is looking for another job in athletics adminsitration, but maybe as a consultant on moving up to D1. He would be very good I would think. No doubt Carr Associates might be interested in hiring Fred.

As far as future candidate, I suspect like everyother job on campus there will be a number of applicants. I would agree with Filbert that the best or ideal candidate would be someone who like President Chicione was here as a student but has a wide range of experience particularily on larger campuses. Of all the assistants AD, you could have candidates, but whether they are qualified and capable is another question. I can say I know any of them real well.

Maybe that is why we have job ads and selection committees to find the best out of all applicants.

[Jack4Life]

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I just think that Fred was a major roadblock in those games being scheduled (and I fully support that decision) and now that he is retiring some of those feelings won't be in the way of scheduling the games.

I agree. I am with Fred on his scheduling philosophy. Call it arrogant or whatever you want I don't care, I just don't ever want to schedule them again.

[1stRowFANatic]

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I think this will have no impact on when a game is scheduled, however if it does happen you can be assured some of "our friends" in the media will believe it is the only reason it happened.

I do believe this does mean one question has been answered: Nagy will be back for one more year. I do not believe Fred would fire a coach on his way out and leaving a huge hole in the replacement team. That would devastate the program. Since it looks like the new AD won't be on board until late summer, it would be way too late to make a change for the upcoming season. As for me, I think that to date the team has made progress this year and he likely would have been back anyway, but this pretty much assures it. I don't know if this had anything to do with the timing of Fred'e decision & I kind of doubt that it did, but I do believe it is the type of detail that Fred is known for not overlooking.

[Nidaros]

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What a new AD will mean and it meant the same the last time we made a change 18 years ago, the new AD will be free to make some changes in coaches and to tinker with the budget. That did happen in certain sports in 1990 and for the next 2 or 3 years some coaching contracts were not renewed. Whether SDSU goes for multiyear contracts thats another matter for the new AD to consider and also to be sold to the BOR.

I would expect the same to happen with a new AD, that is make some changes. If any coach currently on the staff feels uncertain about the future, they have a reason for that uncertainty as they have to sell themselves to the new director.
Getting a new boss is always a pain in the rear as office politics usually run wild as friends become enemies and enemies become friends.

For those reasons, I think our committee will be required to find the best candidate out there. Without having privity to the President's mail box snail or email, its hard to name possible candidates. I am sure there are candidates out there and are busy doing update work on a resume as we speak.

All of these considerations do not make the playing of USD a priority for the new AD. He will have many challenges.

[EQguy]

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This is likely to be very different this time as Fred was a promotion from within. I just don't see that happening this time around.

[CatchEmAll]

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This is likely to be very different this time as Fred was a promotion from within. I just don't see that happening this time around.

Times are definately much different from when Fred was hired as they are now. The "atmosphere" in the athletic department is considerably different. In my personal opinion there would be one qualified internal candidate that could run the show. While I think a national search is in order, it's tough to find the right fit when many will see this job as an opportunity to "make their mark" on a growing program and get out versus someone who's in it for the good of SDSU and the long haul.

Back on topic...who cares. It probably will happen, but not any sooner than some would like and too soon for the rest of us.

[Coyote_Fan]

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I think this will have no impact on when a game is scheduled, however if it does happen you can be assured some of "our friends" in the media will believe it is the only reason it happened.

I do believe this does mean one question has been answered: Nagy will be back for one more year. I do not believe Fred would fire a coach on his way out and leaving a huge hole in the replacement team. That would devastate the program. Since it looks like the new AD won't be on board until late summer, it would be way too late to make a change for the upcoming season. As for me, I think that to date the team has made progress this year and he likely would have been back anyway, but this pretty much assures it. I don't know if this had anything to do with the timing of Fred'e decision & I kind of doubt that it did, but I do believe it is the type of detail that Fred is known for not overlooking.

That was not the case with John Austin down at USD. He was fired just before Higgins left the USD AD position. The replacement was not named until after Neilson came aboard. The thinking was likely that the U didn't want to burden the AD with making a firing right off the bat but instead let him hire the new guy as his first big task as AD. I am not necessarily saying that will happen at SDSU but I wouldn't assume Nagy is necessarily safe.

[yoteforever]

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That was not the case with John Austin down at USD. He was fired just before Higgins left the USD AD position. The replacement was not named until after Neilson came aboard. The thinking was likely that the U didn't want to burden the AD with making a firing right off the bat but instead let him hire the new guy as his first big task as AD. I am not necessarily saying that will happen at SDSU but I wouldn't assume Nagy is necessarily safe.

Just so the facts are correct Coyote_Fan, John Austin was fired after Joel Nielsen got there. Now you know the rest of the story.

[jackmd]

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Some of you who were privy to the goings on with Coach Thorson and Dr. Oien can fill in the blanks but I believe Jim was out shortly after Dr. Oien was hired. Maybe I'm wrong. New AD means different expectations, not necessarily better or worse but different for sure.

[Nidaros]

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Some of you who were privy to the goings on with Coach Thorson and Dr. Oien can fill in the blanks but I believe Jim was out shortly after Dr. Oien was hired. Maybe I'm wrong. New AD means different expectations, not necessarily better or worse but different for sure.

Thorson left in 1993. Fred arrived in 1990 to the AD chair. There was a change in football coaches in 1991. Mike Daly for Wayne Haensel. Then a change in track and field Scott Underwood for the little guy from Kansas who is also gone now. But each was a separate case and each change I believe was made on what was going on in each individual program. Yes there was bittness expressed about each change, but I suspect Fred had support at the Presidential level and thought these changes were needed at the time

This why I suspect the new AD will be reviewing each of the 20 sports and possibly making changes where that new person feels is appropriate. I don't see the new AD asking for 20 resignations the day he is offically on the job, but I would hope he would go through each program and make good decisions. Coaches such as the Soccer coach and AJ probably have little to fear, but others might have something to be concerned about. Sometimes we can get very comfortable with a boss and may not be giving a 100 per cent effort day in and day out, and that happens in the workplace everywhere and not just at HPER.

[Coyote_Fan]

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Just so the facts are correct Coyote_Fan, John Austin was fired after Joel Nielsen got there. Now you know the rest of the story.

Are you sure because I thought Austin was fired when Higgins was still there or at the least during the transition period between AD's. I hope it was Nielson that did the firing so hopefully I am indeed wrong.

[GoJacks]

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Just so the facts are correct Coyote_Fan, John Austin was fired after Joel Nielsen got there. Now you know the rest of the story.

I would say that is correct. I believe there is are regulations in place (laws) that would prevent Dr. Oien from firing anyone now until retirement. Not saying it cannot happen just not from the office of the AD anyone. I believe this was also the case when Peggy Miller announced her retirement. She could not fire anyone.

[JackJD]

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I did some searching on the net.

Kelly Higgins was out before John Austin was terminated. Austin's termination took place in November, 2003, when Greg Redlin was the acting Interrim AD. http://sdsufans.com/board/archive/index.php/t-4210.html (citation to SDSUFans.com archived thread -- credit to 89Rabbit -- but internal to that citation are references to USD a press release etc.)

Joel Nielsen officially took over in December, 2003. http://www.usdcoyotes.com/info/admin...on/nielsen.asp
Ed Meierkort's hiring was announced in December, 2003. http://www.usdcoyotes.com/sports/foo...PLAYER_ID=1813

My search did not dig deep enough to determine if Meierkort's hiring was announced by Nielsen.

Not sure about the significance of any of this information but had a few minutes to spend googling.

[Coyote_Fan]

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Jack JD,

Now that you posted that it rings a bell a little louder. I do believe Nielson was in charge of the hiring.