Joe Paterno Passes

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Lets just put it like this. NCAA went to a place they had no reason or justification to go to. That also involved student-athletes, where the student-athlets had no bearing or affect on this situation

Which student athletes is this so devastating for? The ones who can transfer without penalties, the ones who choose to continue to play for PSU, or the ones who can continue on scholarship for PSU without actually playing football?

This is devastating for the football program at PSU and the fanbase of PSU. The student athletes will be fine.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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How is this for coincedence:

Penn State's last win is now their 1997 victory over Wisconsin. Starting QB that game? Mike McQueary.

[witness]

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So when Reggie Bush accepted improper benefits the NCAA placed sanctions on USC several years later. That affected current student athletes that had nothing to do with it. No different that what just happened here.

Lets just put it like this. NCAA went to a place they had no reason or justification to go to. That also involved student-athletes, where the student-athlets had no bearing or affect on this situation

[MontanaRabbit]

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I'm not. I would have fought scholarships and postseason ban tooth and nail. It affects the current student athletes thats it. The NCAA just set off a s***storm that they won't be able to control. NCAA despite this being against its rules and for the fact that Penn State didn't actually break any rules, did this for shock factor and thats it. Penn State, should have fought the penalties and agreed to pay the fine and money to the victims thats it. The funniest part of the whole speach was when Mark Emmeret stated, "“Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people" Isn't that a pot calling a kettle back? What happens when a team decides to fight a penalty leveled by the NCAA and the NCAA gets sued.

So when Reggie Bush accepted improper benefits the NCAA placed sanctions on USC several years later. That affected current student athletes that had nothing to do with it. No different that what just happened here.

[witness]

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I'm impressed that Penn State signed a consent decree. Apparently they have some good leaders in place. That said, i'm guessing they worked with the NCAA on the sanctions from the beginning.

I'm not. I would have fought scholarships and postseason ban tooth and nail. It affects the current student athletes thats it. The NCAA just set off a s***storm that they won't be able to control. NCAA despite this being against its rules and for the fact that Penn State didn't actually break any rules, did this for shock factor and thats it. Penn State, should have fought the penalties and agreed to pay the fine and money to the victims thats it. The funniest part of the whole speach was when Mark Emmeret stated, "“Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people" Isn't that a pot calling a kettle back? What happens when a team decides to fight a penalty leveled by the NCAA and the NCAA gets sued.

[GopherHole]

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It will be interesting to see what this does to current players and recruits. The vast majority of players are from the PA/NJ and east coast region, but they do pull in players from all across the country. Schools would likely have to have something to offer for kids to transfer, and with it this close to football season, there likely won't be any scholarships available.

[hareball]

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I didn't see any reference to Penn State signing a consent decree...will go back and read the initial reports.

Added: Perhaps you are referring to Penn State having accepted the factual findings in the Freeh report. I'm not finding any source for Penn State having entered into a consent decree with the NCAA. Since Penn State accepted the factual findings in the Freeh report, the NCAA suspended its usual investigation procedures and move straight to punishment phase.

Listened to press conference and Mark Emmert mentioned that Penn State signed consent decree. Attached SI articles also states that Penn State signed a consent decree. http://tracking.si.com/2012/07/23/nc...?sct=hp_t11_a0

[jack power]

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I didn't see any reference to Penn State signing a consent decree...will go back and read the initial reports.

In responding to a reporter, the NCAA president said they signed one.

[JackJD]

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Here's a link to the NCAA site with their official story:
http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/articl...ctions-penn-st

[JackJD]

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I'm impressed that Penn State signed a consent decree. Apparently they have some good leaders in place. That said, i'm guessing they worked with the NCAA on the sanctions from the beginning.

I didn't see any reference to Penn State signing a consent decree...will go back and read the initial reports.

Added: Perhaps you are referring to Penn State having accepted the factual findings in the Freeh report. I'm not finding any source for Penn State having entered into a consent decree with the NCAA. Since Penn State accepted the factual findings in the Freeh report, the NCAA suspended its usual investigation procedures and move straight to punishment phase.

[Nidaros]

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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...ons/56427630/1

Probably about right, IMO. Hopefully there was some lessons learned here..."Hero's" are people that make a difference everyday like GOOD fathers and mothers, not football programs.

Go Jacks!!

Lets hope something like this does not happen at SDSU and if it does it is dealt with in a swift manner.

[jack power]

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I'm impressed that Penn State signed a consent decree. Apparently they have some good leaders in place. That said, i'm guessing they worked with the NCAA on the sanctions from the beginning.

[propar80]

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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...ons/56427630/1

Probably about right, IMO. Hopefully there was some lessons learned here..."Hero's" are people that make a difference everyday like GOOD fathers and mothers, not football programs.

Go Jacks!!

[Nidaros]

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The statue is gone and now today the NCAA Sanctions. To allow a pedofile to operate and people turn their heads and pretent nothing has happened is a crime. The coach is no longer living but other officals who knew of this activity are and will no doubt will be charged. They need to find good lawyers.

Whether the NCAA Sanctions are affective is a matter of opinion. My opinion is that they are the least that the NCAA can do to make it right with the victims.

[filbert]

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I just want to reinforce this. People here and all over the internet and media are throwing around the term "lack of institutional control" in regards to Penn State and the NCAA. But there's a flaw with this. The lack of control punishment comes after a violation has occurred. Since there probably weren't any NCAA rules broken in this case, there isn't a lack of control in regards to the NCAA. On the criminal side, there was a huge lack of institutional control in regards to the State of Pennsylvania and maybe the federal courts.

Thank you!

Really bad things happened at Penn State above and beyond the behavior of Sandusky. But the NCAA's scope of action, as written into their bylaws, is the management of intercollegiate athletics on behalf of its member schools.

This doesn't mean that Penn State shouldn't be held responsible for culpability and for providing the environment that allowed Sandusky to prey on young boys. Frankly, if the membership (i.e. the member schools) of the NCAA wanted to, they could kick Penn State out of the NCAA. This probably won't happen.

But the Big 10 kicking them out of the conference is--while IMHO also not likely--probably a somewhat stronger possibility than the NCAA kicking them out.

I see here that the trial balloon of the Big 10 commish firing coaches has popped.

Exit question: If there were NCAA schools who were so high-minded as to refuse to schedule North Dakota for the use of a nickname considered to be "offensive", why wouldn't similarly high-minded schools start shying away from scheduling Penn State as long as the current athletic and university administration remains in place, because of their now documented internal institutional corruption? (And I note that the Big 10 schools uniformly consider themselves to be very, very high-minded indeed.)