Oru gdt

[TeamPlayer]

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Several things have become obvious to anyone attending the Jacks games this year. Our biggest improvement needs to take place on perimiter defense. Quick talented guards are eating up our guards every game. Seeing this, I am very suprised/frustrated AJ hasn't changed up his defense. How many times do we get beat off the dribble before it dawns on us to go outside our traditional man-to-man defense. This is the biggest differnece between this years team and past years teams. Will the coaching staff reach mix it up or stay with the same ol same ol?

[bisonbacker]

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Anyone wanna bet that BB had that link squirreled away for JUST THIS MOMENT? He may have played it a few days early, though....

Sorry to dissapoint you but I only visited your board last night after I saw that you lost. Prior to that I haven't been over here in at least a couple of months. Nice try though.

[jackmd]

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...not to be nit-picky, but we haven't been to the Sweet 16 as a D1 school. I do understand what you're saying though. We cannot handle quick, athletic teams. I'm so glad that we get to watch those two ORU freshman guards for the next 3+ years

In a nutshell. We can't defend face-up players who are quick off the dribble and when other teams run and we rush our offense, we turn the ball over too often. Better team won last night. AJ and the women know what they have to do. Learn, make adjustments, get better. Now is not the time to hang heads or worry, its time to analyze, adjust and improve.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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The defensive issues have been mentioned by many in this thread. They know what they have to do and they'll respond to the challenge.

The other thing that strikes me is that the team hasn't come together yet because of inexperience.

It easier now to appreciate the players that were on last years team and the time they had played together. Warkenthien, Boever, Verdegan, Oistad, and Cornemann played so well off of each other and just knew where the other was and what they were thinking because of their many years together. Interior passing, defensive switches, and other intangibles were there. That chemistry is rare.

This team will improve as the year goes on. To what level? Ahh, the million dollar question! From a physical standpoint this year's team is the best I have seen and the freshman are going to be outstanding. It is going to be fun watching this team develop.

The bar has been set pretty high. I love that by the way! It may be so high that expectations may be a little unrealistic at times. That is why these talented young players want to be a part of the team. That is why we are so passionate about WBB at SDSU.

Anyone want to bet against the Jacks when we go to Tulsa? Not me!

GB, GB, GJ!

SUPERBUNNY

[SoDakJack]

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Another thing that we have to take into account is that the last time a WBB team was learning on the fly, the competition wasn't nearly as talented. It is alot easier to make the changes this team has to do when you are playing independant teams and others in the process of transitioning.

[Jacks#1Fan]

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Well I'm as big a fan as any of you, I believe, and I won't ever give up on the Jacks. But I must say after watching ORU play (yeh, we didn't play well and could have been in the game), the talk about our inexperience doesn't translate as well when we look at where ORU is at presently. They start two sophomores and two freshmen (who may both be as good as any other player in the league) and one senior. They had two other seniors, one of who played sparingly and the other who didn't play. The loss to NDSU shows they can demonstrate inexperience as well...but the raw talent looks pretty amazing. Then again, maybe they had that once-in-a-season gameface last night (like when we pounded MTSU?).

[jackdaniel]

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One of our problems is we don't get enough points from everyone, it's just two or , at the most three, who have to carry the whole load.This puts added defensive pressure on them.Yes, ORU only had two primary scorers too, but we couldn't stop them, to the tune of 34 &20 pts.
We have to get points from everyone who plays.We can't have people out on the floor not producing points, unless they're contributing in some other way,making steals,playing such tough defense on a prolific scorer,to limt thier scoring production(didn't happen tonight,maybe Waytashek(sp?),when we get her), rebounds, etc.Maria was outstanding again, but that option was quickly shut down when they figured out that's the only way we were getting points.
We don't have seven or eight outstanding 3 pt shooters anymore , who can add instant spark to a team.Three point shooting was infectious last yr. , one person would start it off & everyone was making one it seemed, this year,it's one person, & no one else, easy to shut down, i'd like to see Jill & Kristin both shoot 4 or five per game . I realize an offense is limited to what the defense gives you, but good offensive teams find a way.ORU found our weaknesses & capatalized on them.When we put it all together, we'll know.It'll be a fluid offense that seems almost effortless.
Scoring points isn't everything though, you have to put the whole package together.Offense & defense.
I think we did better the 2nd half, we outscored them by 10, but we were down 19.Oral Roberts couldn't miss it seemed at times, is that going to happen everytime we play them?Probably not, hopefully not.The next time we play them will be at thier house,it'll be tougher there, but if we take lessons learned with us, maybe we can return the favor & beat them in front of thier fans.That would be great.

[JamesJacks]

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jackdaniel, I see what you're saying, but can't totally agree. Our main problems are not at the offensive end. All of our players can put the ball in the basket. Some more than others, but they all can do it. Look how many players have already scored in double figures at one time or another this year?

We need to shore up our defense. That is our biggest issue. It's been mentioned in this thread already about our perimeter defense not being where it needs to be. There have been a lot of guards who have had huge games against us this year already. A defender doesn't have to get beaten all the way to the hoop for it to be a bad thing either. The offensive player only has to get a step on the defender on their way to the hoop to force the entire defense to rotate. And if our rotations are late, then we give up layups off a pass. It's all five positions that need to work at this, not just our guards.

[jackdaniel]

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Just a nagging thought, how much of a factor was playing Centenary first & ORU after, it seemed at times in the first half against ORU, the team thought they were still playing Centenary.No slight on Centenary, they are in transition to div 3 basketball it seems.Effort is not a problem with our women's basketball team,but it's got to be a focused effort to accomplish certain things against certain teams.Each team has it's different strenghs & weaknesses to focus effort on.When everyone's individual effort is synchronized into a team effort especially formulated to shut down that team, then everyone's effort is used most efficiently.Mr spock would be proud,& Sherlock would say...."elimentary my dear Watson"

[jackdaniel]

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jackdaniel, I see what you're saying, but can't totally agree. Our main problems are not at the offensive end. All of our players can put the ball in the basket. Some more than others, but they all can do it. Look how many players have already scored in double figures at one time or another this year?

We need to shore up our defense. That is our biggest issue. It's been mentioned in this thread already about our perimeter defense not being where it needs to be. There have been a lot of guards who have had huge games against us this year already. A defender doesn't have to get beaten all the way to the hoop for it to be a bad thing either. The offensive player only has to get a step on the defender on their way to the hoop to force the entire defense to rotate. And if our rotations are late, then we give up layups off a pass. It's all five positions that need to work at this, not just our guards.

Your points are all valid & true, but what i meant about scoring is it's not spread around evenly enough, allowing the defense to adjust to stopping only one, two, or three players & the offense sputters or goes into a dry spell,allowing the opposition to go on a scoring spree themselves.Maybe i'm overstating it as the most pressing problem.Maybe defense is a more pressing problem at this time.

[rational thought]

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Your points are all valid & true, but what i meant about scoring is it's not spread around evenly enough, allowing the defense to adjust to stopping only one, two, or three players & the offense sputters or goes into a dry spell,allowing the opposition to go on a scoring spree themselves.Maybe i'm overstating it as the most pressing problem.Maybe defense is a more pressing problem at this time.

I'd say defense and leadership are the problems IMO....defense is all about pride...seldom does a defensive effort by an individual get mentioned....although you can score 12 pts, and your person scores 16...and you'll get a blurb in the press....bottomline...our guards have got to pick up there defensive pressure...ORU's guards had 54 of the 81 pts

[bigticket1]

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Looking at stats from last year,it's obvious that turnovers are at the root of our problems. Last year the Jacks had 554 turnovers compared to 698 for the opposition. This season the Jacks have 290 compared to 269 for opposing teams. After looking at the stats,I also don't know that we can claim inexperience is a big factor.In terms of minutes played,our top 3 guards ( Macie,Jill and Kristin ) all had more minutes played last year than Muck,who is the only guard we lost. These 3 guards have 110 turnovers in just less than 1/2 the season compared to 152 for the entire season last year.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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Well I'm as big a fan as any of you, I believe, and I won't ever give up on the Jacks. But I must say after watching ORU play (yeh, we didn't play well and could have been in the game), the talk about our inexperience doesn't translate as well when we look at where ORU is at presently. They start two sophomores and two freshmen (who may both be as good as any other player in the league) and one senior. They had two other seniors, one of who played sparingly and the other who didn't play. The loss to NDSU shows they can demonstrate inexperience as well...but the raw talent looks pretty amazing. Then again, maybe they had that once-in-a-season gameface last night (like when we pounded MTSU?).

I agree with you on both points. ORU is an extremely young team. We caught them after getting beat at NDSU while we went through a sleeper against Centenary. They came out with some serious fire and took it to us. They were on fire in the first half just like we did against MTSU. Hats off to them.

There isn't any reason for hitting the panic button. They have some obvious things to work on and AJ and the team will get right after it and get better as a result of the loss.

The Jacks will get better and better I have no doubt. I think we got ORU's best game. Like my earlier post said, "Anyone want to bet against the Jacks when we go to Tulsa? Not me!"

GB, GB, GJ!

SUPERBUNNY

[JamesJacks]

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Like my earlier post said, "Anyone want to bet against the Jacks when we go to Tulsa? Not me!"

GB, GB, GJ!

SUPERBUNNY

Well said. I like Superbunny's attitude.

[Nidaros]

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Well I'm as big a fan as any of you, I believe, and I won't ever give up on the Jacks. But I must say after watching ORU play (yeh, we didn't play well and could have been in the game), the talk about our inexperience doesn't translate as well when we look at where ORU is at presently. They start two sophomores and two freshmen (who may both be as good as any other player in the league) and one senior. They had two other seniors, one of who played sparingly and the other who didn't play. The loss to NDSU shows they can demonstrate inexperience as well...but the raw talent looks pretty amazing. Then again, maybe they had that once-in-a-season gameface last night (like when we pounded MTSU?).

As usual you have made a very keen observation here, I do agree that ORU was not a better team because of experience, but more so last night because they came to play and our ladies might not have until the very end when the game was out of hand. I wonder also as suggested over on ORU board, that maybe we should have not been so surprised by those two new guards, and maybe we should not have and surely we did have some tape of their previous games. Seems like AJ and staff would have reviewed those tapes and maybe they did but we seem to let them have their way.

Well its only one game and maybe we get our win in Tulsa.