New York Times Story

[zooropa]

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I've read that the NY Times reporter was going to be at the NDSU game. That's a shame because the game wasn't representative of what the Jackrabbits do other than find ways to win in all but two contests this year. The crowd was subdued, too.

He was there.

And you know what? If the game was a blow out the crowd wouldn't be noisier. I've never seen the crowd really shake the foundations over a 30 point lead suddenly becoming a 33 point lead.

Also, even if the crowd had gone nuts, I think that would've been forgotten the moment he sat down to interview the players on the team. They have such a good grasp of the game, and are exceptionally well spoken.

IMO, the story is probably going to touch on the usual bits about 'middle of nowhere', etc. But it will focus on the character of the players. I think that's the real story.

[shinman]

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He was there.

And you know what? If the game was a blow out the crowd wouldn't be noisier. I've never seen the crowd really shake the foundations over a 30 point lead suddenly becoming a 33 point lead.

Also, even if the crowd had gone nuts, I think that would've been forgotten the moment he sat down to interview the players on the team. They have such a good grasp of the game, and are exceptionally well spoken.

IMO, the story is probably going to touch on the usual bits about 'middle of nowhere', etc. But it will focus on the character of the players. I think that's the real story.

The real story's about the new Cinderella in town....oops , did I inadvertantly start that debate again?

[NoVaJack]

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The real story's about the new Cinderella* in town....oops , did I inadvertantly start that debate again?

*Is there such a thing as an old Cindarella?

Maybe there's a middle ground: Cindarella to casual fans of women's basketball. Not a Cindarella to anyone who's been following WBB for the last four years, i.e. anyone who knows their Tennessees from their Troy States.

Cindarella would be Centenary running the table and winning the Summit women's tournament. Or Jacks men reaching the round of 16 in the Big Dance. One can always dream

[shinman]

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*Is there such a thing as an old Cindarella?

Maybe there's a middle ground: Cindarella to casual fans of women's basketball. Not a Cindarella to anyone who's been following WBB for the last four years, i.e. anyone who knows their Tennessees from their Troy States.

Cindarella would be Centenary running the table and winning the Summit women's tournament. Or Jacks men reaching the round of 16 in the Big Dance. One can always dream

Yes ,Marist,(is there such a thing as an old Cinderella) ..it's our turn to be the media darling now!we are younger & prettier.(this word just doesn't look right(sp)?

[JimmyJack]

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I've read that the NY Times reporter was going to be at the NDSU game. That's a shame because the game wasn't representative of what the Jackrabbits do other than find ways to win in all but two contests this year. The crowd was subdued, too.

The crowd wasn't going crazy, but it was pretty darned loud at many points during the game. Our expectations are probably much higher than the reporter's expectations were going in. Where the reporter was sitting, it gets plenty loud. Plus, keep in mind this reporter's assignment: Write a story about a surprising, nationally-competitive women's basketball program in an out-of-the way place. He or she was not going in to undermine that thesis. He or she was going there to support it. So it's all in how you look at it. Was the crowd fabulous by our standards? Nope. Was it probably pretty impressive to somebody coming in from outside? Sure. Did the team play to its potential? No. But did the team win for the 19th time this year? Sure. Is the reporter going to focus the story on that one game? Nope. A NY Times audience is going to be interested in a broader perspective.

In the story, I'd expect to see some color from the NDSU game, a few paragraphs to prove he/she was there followed by the meat of the story focusing on the larger picture including big-time opponents, student-athlete and coach personalities, and context from outsiders who explain why this is program so unique. Remember, NY Times reporters are writing for a national audience, looking at things in a broader context. NY Times readers don't have a perspective on this program or on whether a 16-point win at home was disappointing to us.

[leeshajo]

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so, does anyone know when this is going to run?

[BTownJack]

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so, does anyone know when this is going to run?

I've heard the end of the week.

[leeshajo]

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so be honest, how many of you have been checking the NYTimes site every day..lol
I know I have

[SoDakJack]

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Since switch to D-1

21-7
19-9 NIT
25-6 NIT
17-2 and counting.

That's four years of the 5-10 you speak of.
I don't think we'll sneak up on anyone in the tournament was the point. Cindarellas by definition do.

As much as the first three years of success help put us on the map, I would say the clock on those 5-10 years started last year when the teams were in a legit D-1 conference.

[Evolution Prime]

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Well wait no more. Here it is:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/30/sp...20state&st=cse

TV posted it in one of his blogs, so credit goes to him there. Just bringing it over here as well.

[zooropa]

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Love that mini-basketball tradition---do any other schools do that?

[Jacks-02]

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Well wait no more. Here it is:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/30/sp...20state&st=cse

TV posted it in one of his blogs, so credit goes to him there. Just bringing it over here as well.

Awesome.

[NorCalJack]

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In reading this article it just hit me that in going through this transition period, SDSU has been able to build a program that is arguably the best program in this region. I mean can anyone within this region argue that they have a better D-1 WBB program than South Dakota STATE?

If you compare all of the D-1 WBB teams in Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Utah, Idaho, Washington, Nevada and Oregon, and compare them to SDSU, I think you could draw the conclusion that SDSU would be the best team in this area. Now don't get me wrong, I think SDSU could lose to some of the schools in these states on any given night, but if all of the D-1 teams in these states played in a round robin tourney, that SDSU would end up close to the top or at the top.

Now most of the coaches in these states know who we are, but the public still does not. We need to make the NCAA tourney and advance one or two rounds for others to take note. We also need to take care of business on Saturday night. Oakland is a good team and I'm sure they will not roll over, in fact I expect them to give us a real run for our money. We need to just play one game at a time and not look too far ahead.

Go State!!!
Go Jacks!!!

[Cowbell]

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Oh, I think the public does know about the SDSU women's basketball team. I believe the public is still trying to work through the idea that women's basketball is something worth investigating. There are a lot of people who think like lakesbison and can't come to terms with the fact that the women are good and provide great entertainment.

One paragraph in the NY Times story that really caught my eye:

“Our team just hates to disappoint people,” Cornemann said. “We absolutely just feel awful. We lost twice this year. After we lost, we just felt like we let down our whole Brookings community, because they have faith in is, and we didn’t play to our potential.”

For me, this is a separation point between men's basketball (as a whole, not just SDSU) and women's basketball. The women feel sorry for the fans when they lose; men feel sorry for themselves.

[BTownJack]

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I mean can anyone within this region argue that they have a better D-1 WBB program than South Dakota STATE?

NorCalJack...you're killing me...we are South Dakota STATE! (From JackJD: I know NorCalJack will feel terrible about his typo so I made a correction for him.)