2024-2025 Polls/NET/RPI

[bigticket1]

These polls are such a joke. The Gophers are not a top 25 team. I'll eat my words if I'm wrong but they had one of the weakest SOS in non conference play of anyone and once they start playing ranked teams, starting tomorrow night, they'll be in for a rude awakening. Creighton is better than them and we know how we fared vs them head to head.

My main thing is the post season seed. Hopefully we don't have any blips and can work our way up to a 6 seed. 7/8 seed makes it very hard to get back to a Sweet 16. I'd rather be a 11/12 than 7-10.

It's going to be tough to climb the ladder any higher even if we run the table because of our strength of schedule going forward.

[peavy]

new coaches poll came out. Jacks are tied for 27th with Nebraska. Jacks gained 15 points putting them at 20 total.
25 Minnesota 49 points
26 Oklahoma State 23 points
27. Nebraska 20 points
27. SDSU 20 points
29. Creighton 18 points

[GoJacks2011]

Gophers, Oklahoma St, and Utah all lost tonight. Seems like there has been a lot of shuffling in the top 20-25 spots. Easier conference might help us slide up into the top 25 if those teams keep dropping conference games.

[OldHare]

The women will have some extra time this week to prepare for UND. It is also the Alumni Game. I expect the FHawks to go down. By the way, the Jackrabbits did slip back into first in the Mid Major Poll.

[peavy]

Jacks earn two points in the latest AP poll. Baylor is 25th with 37 points. Nebraska 26th (35 votes) and Creighton 27th (28 votes). Minnesota has moved up 2 spots following a ranked loss and a near loss @ Northwestern

[peavy]

Latest Coaches Poll is out, SDSU is #26. The team gained 7 points this week putting them at 27 total.

24. Minnesota 17-2 45pts
25. Nebraska 15-4 35 pts
26. South Dakota State 15-3 27 pts
27. Creighton 15-3 26 pts

The team's record is either 15-3 or 13-3 depending on where you look. The NCAA NET Ranking page doesn't count the 2 non d1 wins in their NET calculation so it's 13-3 there (team is NET #40 at the moment)

[RahRahRabbits]

NET rankings update through Jan 22:

Summit standings:
SDSU - 41
Oral Rob - 101
NDSU - 113
St Thomas - 218
Denver - 237
UND - 239
Omaha - 255
USD - 257
Kansas City - 297

SDSU wins above our current ranking: Creighton 32, Oregon 37,
SDSU wins below our current ranking: Rice 134, Wisconsin 112, Ball St 53, Eastern Wash 210, Montana 187, UNI 80, Oral Rob 101, Denver 239, Omaha 255, Kansas City 297, St Thomas 218

SDSU losses above our current ranking: Duke 8 (if only...). Georgia Tech 20, Texas 2
SDSU losses below our current ranking: none

As discussed above in several posts... different polls having Minnesota higher is reflected in NET as well. Florida State has some similar records vs the quadrants as well. I'd agree with peavy that the D2 games are dragging us down a bit, and the rest of conference play will also do us no favors even if we sweep it. Yotes nearly driving the bus to the bottom of the league is quite the shock this year.

Florida St - 26, 15-4 overall. Q1: 0-4, Q2: 2-0, Q3: 4-0, Q4: 9-0
Minnesota - 29, 17-3 overall. Q1: 0-3, Q2: 1-0, Q3: 3-0, Q4: 13-0
SDSU - 41, 14-3 overall. Q1: 0-3, Q2: 3-0, Q3: 2-0, Q4: 9-0

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As mentioned in my similar post in the Men's forum.... The quadrant records in these NET rankings are not simply splitting the 362-team long list into 4 sections and tallying up the numbers. Per this article from NCAA (though slightly dated it seems), home, neutral, and away has a pretty big impact on defining the quadrants.

"Using the quadrant system, which was in its fourth season in 2020-21, the quality of wins and losses will be organized based on game location and the opponent's NET ranking.

Quadrant 1: Home 1-30, Neutral 1-50, Away 1-75
Quadrant 2: Home 31-75, Neutral 51-100, Away 76-135
Quadrant 3: Home 76-160, Neutral 101-200, Away 135-240
Quadrant 4: Home 161-353, Neutral 201-353, Away 241-353"

I can't seem to find anywhere if those quadrants are set based on ranking at gametime, or if they fluctuate throughout the year as teams settle into their rankings.... but as far as I can tell, the Oregon game on a neutral court aught to have given us a Q1 win... especially if we got a Q1 loss from Georgia Tech.

Something is fishy.... can anyone find a more updated source on NET quadrants?

[bigticket1]

Latest Coaches Poll is out, SDSU is #26. The team gained 7 points this week putting them at 27 total.

24. Minnesota 17-2 45pts
25. Nebraska 15-4 35 pts
26. South Dakota State 15-3 27 pts
27. Creighton 15-3 26 pts

The team's record is either 15-3 or 13-3 depending on where you look. The NCAA NET Ranking page doesn't count the 2 non d1 wins in their NET calculation so it's 13-3 there (team is NET #40 at the moment)

Minnesota lost to Michigan last night, and their next game is against USC, which is very likely another L.

[peavy]

NET rankings update through Jan 22:
Quadrant 1: Home 1-30, Neutral 1-50, Away 1-75
Quadrant 2: Home 31-75, Neutral 51-100, Away 76-135
Quadrant 3: Home 76-160, Neutral 101-200, Away 135-240
Quadrant 4: Home 161-353, Neutral 201-353, Away 241-353"

2024 NCCAW NET Quadrants
Quadrant 1: Home 1-25, Neutral 1-35, Away 1-45
Quadrant 2: Home 26-55, Neutral 36-65, Away 46-80
Quadrant 3: Home 56-90, Neutral 66-105, Away 81-130
Quadrant 4: Home 91-362, Neutral 106-362, Away 131-362"

Something is fishy.... can anyone find a more updated source on NET quadrants?

This past summer they updated the quadrants for women (See 2024 NCAAW NET in the quoted text abpve).

"The 2024-25 NET rank quadrant ranges for women's basketball were based on the expected winning percentage versus a given opponent rank (in NET) with respect to game location, across all games." per NCAA article discussing quadrant team sheets & complete seed list

NET is updated daily. #37 Oregon just beat #39 Indiana by 7 in Oregon. This counts as a Quad 2 win for Oregon, and I assume this margin of victory should put Oregon somewhere below NET 35 (1-35), meaning SDSU's win over Oregon on neutral court should bump from Q2 to Q1.

Now that the quadrants will be used for team sheets on Selection Sunday, I think these updated #s are concerning as a mid-major school (fully understanding that at-large bids may not necessarily be realistic depending on non-conf win/loss by season. I'd like to make a thread on it at some point to continue the discussion. From my perspective, it means that being strategic with non conf scheduling is more important than ever since this change basically cuts way too many #s (teams) from Quads 1-3 and tosses them into a now humongous Quad 4.

some team sheet examples:
NCAA South Dakota State Team Sheet vs Warren Nolan South Dakota State NET Team sheet

Switching back to polls and votes/points, SDSU does luck out with the D2 games not being counted toward a team's Strength of Schedule as far as NET. I fully understand the difficulty with getting teams to Frost, but you take a look at Belmont (team sheet - non-conf NET SOS 3 to SDSU's 10) and some of the programs similar to SDSU and they don't seem to be playing non d1 games. Again, depending on where these poll voters are going to look at records, they may see the team with 2 less wins. If you have a 9-2 team and an 11-2 team and are strictly looking at record without digging deeper, I'm picking the 11-2 team.

Further reading for those interested:
NCAA DIVISION I WOMEN’S BASKETBALL SELECTION CRITERIA & NCAA EVALUATION TOOL (NET) - links to a NCAA pdf - it might prompt to download if on mobile
SI Article discussing NET/Quad perspective of Virginia's NCAA Tournament outlook as a potential bubble team on the outside looking in. Virginia has 0 Quad 1 wins as of now
Marquette SBNation Blog discussing how new NET would have impacted Marquette's basketball season last year and the March outlook (it gave the team 2 extra q2 wins and 1 q3 win, although I'm not sure I follow the way this person did their breakdown)

[peavy]

2 points again in this poll and 8 teams ahead of SDSU receiving votes. just too many teams that will need to lose
RV teams: Michigan 30, Nebraska 26, Minnesota 25, Creighton 21, Baylor 12, Utah 11, Mississippi 8, Harvard 7, SDSU 2

[jakejc795]

2 points again in this poll and 8 teams ahead of SDSU receiving votes. just too many teams that will need to lose
RV teams: Michigan 30, Nebraska 26, Minnesota 25, Creighton 21, Baylor 12, Utah 11, Mississippi 8, Harvard 7, SDSU 2

Michigan still has to play Huskers
Gophers have games vs. USC, UCLA, Ohio State, and Michigan State
Creighton still has UConn
Baylor has TCU and WVU
Utah has Oklahoma State and WVU
Ole Miss has Vanderbilt, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Tennessee, and South Carolina

[HoboJack]

How does Harvards resume add up to a NET of 33? While they have an OT win @ 39 Indiana, there 2 losses are @ #47 Princeton by 2, and @ #97 Quinipiac by 23. They have beaten no one with a higher net, and lost to 2 with a lower net.


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[peavy]

How does Harvards resume add up to a NET of 33? While they have an OT win @ 39 Indiana, there 2 losses are @ #47 Princeton by 2, and @ #97 Quinipiac by 23. They have beaten no one with a higher net, and lost to 2 with a lower net.


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What we're probably seeing is the benefit of margins of victory. It seems like because SDSU isn't blowing teams out of the water like they have in recent years, we're seeing virtually no NET movement for the past however many weeks. Now there are teams like Fairfield that is behind us (NET 43) because of their victory margins ( most recent games: 19, 25, 46, 47, 39).

I listened to a podcast put on by an assistant coach of Murray State with Talia Goodman. The coach ended up talking about NET and how teams (like we saw with Texas) push the pedal to the metal. He suggested some teams may keep their starters in longer to push margins, etc.

I half seriously asked, "Why are wholesome, never hurt a fly, midwestern mid-major coaches asked to violate their moral compass by grinding their opponents into dust for the benefit of the team's NET?" "

Whatever you do don't look at WVU's resume. They only have 1 Q2 win on their resume and Creme has them as a 5 seed and they're NET 14 and ranked 21. They have to be the team that has benefitted the most from the preseason ranking. They haven't left the poll at all and their resume is so so underwhelming.

[discoDancinRabbit]

Because of the cat and mouse games SDSU has been playing they could potentially end up with a worse seed like some have called for. I reckon that Used game could have been in the 30-40 range.

[peavy]

New Coaches Poll. SDSU gains 7 points (27pts ->34). The team remains at #26

23 Vandy 68 points
24 FSU 59 points
25 Oklahoma State 44 points
26 SDSU 34 points
27 Baylor 33 points
28 Creighton 17 points
29 Minnesota 16 points
30 Nebraska 15 points