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[bigticket1]

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I wish Gabby would give our point guards lessons on pressuring the ball bringing it up the court. I so miss her being in the opposing point guard's grill and constantly flicking at the ball for 90 feet rather than being 5 feet off the ball and backpedaling up the floor.

[jackdaniel]

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Live and learn, on to the next game....always got to see what's over the next hill

[jacksfan29]

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There you have it. Have to play hard for 40 mins every game. Stop talking about at large bids and pay attention to the conference schedule. Coyotes are defending champs and favorites to repeat.


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They are? I didn't realize USD won the regular season crown last year. Huh, learned something new today...

I realize you have become Mr. Negative but really? Its one game, in Fargo. We will be fine.

[krak-r-jacks]

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They are? I didn't realize USD won the regular season crown last year. Huh, learned something new today...

I realize you have become Mr. Negative but really? Its one game, in Fargo. We will be fine.

i think we know what the post is saying. conference tourney's have taken a lot away from being "regular season champs". the real prize now is winning the tourney and getting that bid to the ncaa's. i believe far more people remember who won the Summit tourney than who was regular season champs. it practically doesn't count for much except for earning the prize of an easier road to the championship bracket---and no guarantees there. just about any team has a chance of putting together a "hot streak" during the tournament. you see it happen across the country in these tourney's. i still wrestle with idea of giving the regular season champion (as they are the real champion) the auto-bid to the ncaa, but, then you are taking away much of the thrill of conference tourney which would probably take a hit in the shorts---as in $$$---and we all know what it is about anyway.

[OldHare]

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I would not resign from the conference race at this point. AJ was imploring his team in a matter that is not customary in the first half yesterday. They cut the 22 point deficit in half by the break and they had a chance to win the game late. The Bison shot lights out in the first half and they played at a much faster pace than we have seen the Bison play in recent history. Our defense was a step slow the first half and the bison kept their foot on the gas as long as they could. Give the Bison credit for a big game. Also remember that there will be other teams wanting to do the same thing to the Jackrabbits every game.

[SturgisJeff]

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Noticed yesterday that there is a lot of standing around and no movement on inbound plays and some sets. They run down go to their spots and just stand there and shuffle around in that area. Inboundplays they just stand there until someone HAS to go out for a deep throw. With as many players AJ has and ad frequent as he subs there should be constant movement to get an open shot plus wear down the other team instead of run down throw it inside to a double teamed Carin to get hacked and miss( no foul called). No movement by other Jacks to keep their shadow busy so the opposers converge on ball and double or triple on Carin or whoever.

[jackdaniel]

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Noticed yesterday that there is a lot of standing around and no movement on inbound plays and some sets. They run down go to their spots and just stand there and shuffle around in that area. Inboundplays they just stand there until someone HAS to go out for a deep throw. With as many players AJ has and ad frequent as he subs there should be constant movement to get an open shot plus wear down the other team instead of run down throw it inside to a double teamed Carin to get hacked and miss( no foul called). No movement by other Jacks to keep their shadow busy so the opposers converge on ball and double or triple on Carin or whoever.

^^^This^^^
I watched the whole replay on ESPN3 and early we were trying to penetrate with one person, the others were standing in a spot for the kick out. This one driving player gets smothered as everyone on defense collapses, this player has no choice but to take a bad shot or attempt a bad pass, or commits a TO. Later on, we sent another secondary player into the paint after the initial drive got going. This worked and we started to break down their defense and we started to cut the lead. I believe when the motion offense gets figured out, and the opposition has a good plan in place to defeat it, it becomes too much standing in a spot (easy to defend) and not enough movement, which contradicts it's name motion offense. On defense, we played too passive,never challenge their passes, one time, a player gave the token swipe while looking away at the player she was guarding and came within inches of the ball, just really passive, token resistance, but more orientated toward positioning, which they do well. We don't display enough court awareness, we spend too much time starring at the jersey number of the player we're guarding and not enough on what else is happening. Small tip, maybe they could use their sense of feel more (you can tell if they move), if ref's allow it, and glance around a little.

NDSU played a heck of a game and were playing with lots more intensity. We are the prize ,and being so, unfortunately for the Jacks ,means we probably have to play each and every game in Summit play with more intensity than the other teams have to against each other. It's going to be a long hard grind, but we'll be better for it in the end.

After 10 yrs of losing, they wanted the win more, to their credit they dug and clawed harder for the win. They all reacted with big smiles and hugs after the win, that tells me something about how much their program wanted this win. We weren't ready for that but just about spoiled it for them anyway on sheer talent, and this team never quits.

[MontanaRabbit]

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^^^This^^^
I watched the whole replay on ESPN3 and early we were trying to penetrate with one person, the others were standing in a spot for the kick out. This one driving player gets smothered as everyone on defense collapses, this player has no choice but to take a bad shot or attempt a bad pass, or commits a TO. Later on, we sent another secondary player into the paint after the initial drive got stopped. This worked and we started to break down their defense and we started to cut the lead. I believe when the motion offense gets figured out, and the opposition has a good plan in place to defeat it, it becomes too much standing in a spot (easy to defend) and not enough movement, which contradicts it's name motion offense.

NDSU played a heck of a game and were playing with lots more intensity. We are the prize ,and being so, unfortunately for the Jacks ,means we probably have to play each and every game in Summit play with more intensity than the other teams have to against each other. It's going to be a long hard grind, but we'll be better for it in the end.

After 10 yrs of losing, they wanted the win more, to their credit they dug and clawed harder for the win. They all reacted with big smiles and hugs after the win, that tells me something about how much their program wanted this win. We weren't ready for that but just about spoiled it for them anyway on sheer talent, and this team never quits.

Some of the standing around the three point line can likely be attributed to the fact that they hit 12 triples against Denver.

[91jack]

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I listen to the game on KFGO, and Jack Micheals who normally is a good broadcaster was going wild with the Bison win. He did have a lot nice things to say about SDSU though. Their new coach is the difference, heard her post game, and she did not panic on the final bad call and that keep their ladies calm as well. Coach Walseth may be to NDSU what Bono is to wrestling at SDSU. A game changer.

I think they have a good coach but comparing her to coach Bono is a bit of a stretch in my opinion. I think she will make their team better but until they win are at the top of the conference two or three years in a row, I don't know. I know coach Bono hasn't done that either but he has a ton of underclassmen while NDSU's WBB team is dominated by upperclassmen.

In her post game I think she was talking about her "young team". They played about 2/3's of their minutes with juniors and seniors. Their best player is a senior and she played the whole game. I don't know if I'd call that a young team. I believe that AJ said that this might be his best team ever. If you look at this team, we played about 1/3 of our minutes with upperclassmen. We have Megan and Clarin that get the majority of minutes with many underclassmen. Rachel and Cloe did play some but they only got about 10 minutes between both of them. I think we have many freshmen and sophomores that will be great in a year or two(or later in the season) but they are really inconsistent so far. They are really aggressive but the plays that they could make in high school just don't work as often in college.

I still think it will come down to SDSU and USD for both the conference regular season and tournament championships.

[jackdaniel]

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Some of the standing around the three point line can likely be attributed to the fact that they hit 12 triples against Denver.

True, when we get the kick out pass to open 3 pt shooters, we make them pay dearly. NDSU didn't allow this, and in fact were waiting and picked off a lot of these passes.Two different teams, two different game plans.We didn't react fast enough to realizing we weren't playing against Denver anymore,and we got down 22 points because of it. Walseth (sp?) is a good coach, and didn't have her team playing the way they usually do, after all, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over that's been proven not to work, but expecting different results. I think I quoted that right?

[krak-r-jacks]

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91jack: "I still think it will come down to SDSU and USD for both the conference regular season and tournament championships."

i'd be very surprised if your statement doesn't ring true. jacks defense is going to have to show some improvement, though.

upcoming game to keep an eye on (jan 10th) is the coyotes at western illinois.

[jackdaniel]

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All in all, we had a chance to win at the very end, shots weren't falling, but we kept hacking away at the lead relentlessly, very encouraged by the heart and fight this team has.

[bigticket1]

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Noticed yesterday that there is a lot of standing around and no movement on inbound plays and some sets. They run down go to their spots and just stand there and shuffle around in that area. Inboundplays they just stand there until someone HAS to go out for a deep throw. With as many players AJ has and ad frequent as he subs there should be constant movement to get an open shot plus wear down the other team instead of run down throw it inside to a double teamed Carin to get hacked and miss( no foul called). No movement by other Jacks to keep their shadow busy so the opposers converge on ball and double or triple on Carin or whoever.

The bench gets a lot of minutes but they haven't been producing much on the offensive end. 7 points yesterday , with Thompson scoring 5 of them. That's got to improve. Thompson , Ober , Walters and Alexander all play right around 15 minutes per game, and average not quite 15 points total per game.

[jackdaniel]

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I'm bored, just to cause a little controversy, no j/k. I looked at the over and back call Newitt and everyone else say's "that has to be called a foul there"....maybe he should get a striped shirt and call the whole game (second thought....no ) and kudos to Nieman for hinting he might be too opinionated for a broadcaster after he said "I don't know how that can't be called a foul", Tom said...."too late" (low toned hint to chill out). I replayed it over and over and Macy made coincidental contact with her hand and LeMar, the drama queen she is , was trying to sell it as a push by flopping, knowing she was going to be trapped and was up against the over and back line.

The ref wasn't buying it and he was right there, good job ref, who was much maligned for the call.LeMar does enough acting during a game, i'm pretty sure she alway's wanted to be an actress her whole life. As it was,we missed, they won,it'll be forgotten,I just wanted to say that I think the right call was made and kudus to the ref who actually looked for contact,not just blowing the whistle because someone "flopped"

Also, want to point out the beautiful pass patterns the team ran and the perfect pass to Waytashek who was open for a first down(j/k), maybe the game winner with 2.7 seconds left, if she'd caught it in stride with a clear path to the basket. Fought til the last second.

[Nidaros]

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I think they have a good coach but comparing her to coach Bono is a bit of a stretch in my opinion. I think she will make their team better but until they win are at the top of the conference two or three years in a row, I don't know. I know coach Bono hasn't done that either but he has a ton of underclassmen while NDSU's WBB team is dominated by upperclassmen.

In her post game I think she was talking about her "young team". They played about 2/3's of their minutes with juniors and seniors. Their best player is a senior and she played the whole game. I don't know if I'd call that a young team. I believe that AJ said that this might be his best team ever. If you look at this team, we played about 1/3 of our minutes with upperclassmen. We have Megan and Clarin that get the majority of minutes with many underclassmen. Rachel and Cloe did play some but they only got about 10 minutes between both of them. I think we have many freshmen and sophomores that will be great in a year or two(or later in the season) but they are really inconsistent so far. They are really aggressive but the plays that they could make in high school just don't work as often in college.

I still think it will come down to SDSU and USD for both the conference regular season and tournament championships.

I grab those two program since they have had recent replacement coaches, and in reality they are the same in one sense since neither was making progress at least from the AD's point of view. I think Bono has a much bigger job in replacing or rebuilding his roster. You are right in that NDSU is not a young team. I counted 3 seniors and 3 juniors on the NDSU roster, but the quality level of playing with the new coach tells you a great about the coach herself. Under the old coach, this game would not have been close let a lone a 20 pt half time lead, had we could out as flat as we did. So this new coach Walseth is directing a team of some one else's recruits and able to beat the ninth rank team in the US. This lady will do as much as Amy Ruley did at NDSU. NDSU is not going to be a doormat and might finish high this year.