GDT: SDSU v. Washington State

[mango4]

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Yum, yum.

Got to love home cookin' We must have gone to the stripe 40 times. Didn't have to make the girlfriend dinner when we got home, had enough "home cookin" at Frost.

Wasn't there but from following TV's live blog it sounded like most of the calls were legit. From my understanding WSU plays a very aggressive, in your face type defense that is going to force a lot of turnovers but the opposition is going to draw a lot of fouls.

In their four games this season Washington State has had 26, 15, 17 and 27 fouls called. With their style of defense, that's going to happen.

[JimmyJack]

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Didn't see the game, but I generally feel that Summit Officials (both in Men's and Women's) blow their whistle way too much and anticipate calls rather than actually seeing them.

Yup. 52 fouls called against Utah State. 45 in the WSU game. Ridiculous.

[bigticket1]

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What this offense needs is a perimeter player that can beat their defender off the dribble and get some penetration. Too much of the shot clock is used up passing around the perimeter. Some dribble penetration would help the posts,and would create some open 3 point shots.

[JackJD]

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Whether too many fouls are called by Summit refs is a legitimate point of discussion. Whether there was "home cooking" as claimed by Just In The Crowd is nothing more than our infrequent (troll) visitor trying to stir the pot. Keep in mind the source: he's been banned from this board before.

[jackdaniel]

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What this offense needs is a perimeter player that can beat their defender off the dribble and get some penetration. Too much of the shot clock is used up passing around the perimeter. Some dribble penetration would help the posts,and would create some open 3 point shots.

During the game, i saw a #4 pos player,forget who,take two or three dribbles toward the basket,and she was immediatly surrounded by three defenders, i think she ended up throwing the ball away.There were a lot of instances where the ball was thrown away if i recall because of defenders right on the ball and also covering any passing lanes to other players.I liked whatever defense WSU used, it sure created havoc,but you have to have really quick players to implement it the right way.

[jackdaniel]

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One player trying to penetrate the defense didn't work, they were waiting for that,you have to clear a path using screens ,and the timing has to be pefect as a set play.The point gaurd is supposed to run the offense thru the coach to select the best play to run to break down the defense aren't they?Not everytime down court, but at key moments in the game, maybe this is my ignorance showing.Why do they dribble down court holding up their arm with a particular finger/fingers being shown to the rest of the team?

Of course,this is a mute point,because we didn't have the chance to do this anyway, as we were being picked up way down court by the pressure defense.Gotta love coaching with all the things they have to think about and plan for, and to have to change them to find something that works when the game itself is a work in progress, constantly changing.For instance,changing something that might work , but the players didn't have enough time to practice, and it doesn't work quite right anyway.Can be a very frustrating job.They earn their pay.

[JACKGUYII]

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Painfully obvious we don't have a true point guard who can compete with the more elite teams. AJ said in the post game Steph Paluch is a more of a #2 playing point and that is obvious. She had 5 tournovers in 34 minutes, Boever had 2 turnovers in 2 minutes and Heiser 3 tournovers in 10 minutes. I just wonder if these players can improve to be capable of running the point or will we need to look at a Juco guard with some more quickness and capacity to get this team into their offense?

[SturgisJeff]

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its early in the season and to me it looked like a couple of the ladies were a little lost at times on the court. I dont think the two game layoff was good for Tara. looked lost in the beginning but started to come around towards the end of the game.

[Jacks#1Fan]

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Give me a break! WSU comes in ranked 40th, and we're at 97th and there is a reason they are ranked that high (having beat Wisconsin by 17 two nights earlier). WSU's matchup zone trap defense was executed to perfection (almost) and they had the quick, athletic and long players to do it. The difference in the game wasn't our inability to handle the press and trap zone, but the fact that we made our free throws this time around instead of what happened at MTSU. The almost I inserted above refers to the fact that they were at times overly aggressive and fot themselves in foul trouble. It is hard for officials not to call fouls when teams get overaggressive in rushing up to the trap or reaching in to hard. It was a good game, and a great win for the Jacks. Anytime a team comes in from the power conferences and we are able to beat them is a huge credit IMO to good coaching and the persistence of our team, which rallied time and again.

[JackJD]

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I think Jacks#1Fan is absolutely correct in his comments. You had to be in Frost on Sunday to realize that was a very good win for our program and it shows this team can face a very physical team (and we were pretty physical too) and come out with a win. I walked out of Frost Sunday pleased with that win. Most of the teams we face will not be as fast as WSU nor will they have players as physical as WSU.

If we had lost, I think this message board would light up with people questioning our speed, our toughness etc. and complaining about how we have to win against the power conferences, particularly at home. Well, we did all those things and people still want to focus on perceived shortcomings. Ah, being a sports fan is great, isn't it!

Listen to the WSU coach in the post-game interview on TV's blog on the Argus site. Here's a link to TV's blog...scroll down for the video interview: http://terryvandrovec.tumblr.com/

Here's the game story from WSU's official site: http://www.wsucougars.com/sports/w-b...112011aaa.html

Wins like Sunday's over WSU are precisely the out-of-conference wins SDSU needs and the entire Summit League needs so that some day the Summit League places two teams in the NCAA tourney.

[jackmd]

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I was there. This wasn't a "sloppy game" as some are suggesting. These were two fairly evenly matched teams that got after it defensively. Sure, the shooting could have been better but many shots were contested. Sure, there were turnovers but the ball pressure was intense.

Washington State was as good a team as we'll see at Frost this year. It was a great win for the Jacks. The Cougars ran out of gas in the 2nd half and our girls stepped up in a big way on the boards and from the line. Jacks still need to do a better job of protecting the ball and handling pressure but otherwise SDSU looked very good yesterday. I am glad I was able to see it in person.

[jackdaniel]

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Painfully obvious we don't have a true point guard who can compete with the more elite teams. AJ said in the post game Steph Paluch is a more of a #2 playing point and that is obvious. She had 5 tournovers in 34 minutes, Boever had 2 turnovers in 2 minutes and Heiser 3 tournovers in 10 minutes. I just wonder if these players can improve to be capable of running the point or will we need to look at a Juco guard with some more quickness and capacity to get this team into their offense?

I don't think it's the ball handler (point) so much when the other team commits two players to stop the ball , and then there's no one to pass to.We won,so, i guess it all worked out,but ,it's probably something they're working on as we speak.

[zooropa]

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I don't think it's the ball handler (point) so much when the other team commits two players to stop the ball , and then there's no one to pass to.We won,so, i guess it all worked out,but ,it's probably something they're working on as we speak.

This. Macie was okay at moving the ball through a press, but the best way to beat a press is still passing out of it.

[jackdaniel]

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This is my way of thinking about a press.The reason they can commit two players to stop (trap ) the ball is they have three defenders left to cover four players.They put one on one( or zone covering passing lane) for the closest two players, and leave one player covering two players the furtherest away(it takes the ball a longer time to get there)exactly splitting the distance so they can play a pass to either one.This is why it usually works, especially when the trap is sprung, then it gets even harder for the person in the trap to pass.How you counter this i don't know, i'm not a coach.What i would do in this situation, is send one of the two players that are fartherest away up as soon as the ball is taken out to force the player trying to gaurd two players to only gaurd one,which leaves one wide open somewhere.Does anyone with an extensive basketball knowlege think this would work?I would like also to see, by design, a trap on a 1/2 court offense,on a set amount of passes after a pre-determined pocession,say 2nd pocession after half time, so everyone could move in unison,causing complete surprise and disruption of the offensive set, possibly getting a turnover,using a system of point gaurd and #2 or #3 player ,depending which side you choose to set trap, # 4 stays put if trapping to that side,gaurding her player,#3 moves to cover player point gaurd left open to trap the ball ,# 5 splits the two fartherest players to be able to intercept a long cross court pass.Do the opposite for trapping the other side.No, i'm not quitting my day job,but it,s something i've alway's wondered if it would work.(or bad gimmick play?)

[filbert]

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The only ways the Summit gets two teams into the tournament (men's or women's) are:
1: Have one team in RPI top twenty (with multiple wins vs. top 20 teams) be upset in the conference tournament, and another team get the automatic bid. The top twenty team MIGHT get an at-large, depending on the strength of the rest of the field that year.
2: Have two teams in RPI top twenty play a Game For The Ages in the Summit League championship game, and guilt the selection committee into letting both of them into the tournament.

If your RPI is much above 30 and you're a low/mid-major team, your chances of getting an at-large berth are breathtakingly low. To get an RPI in the 20's, you have to play and beat not only BCS conference schools, but Top Twenty teams (that is, teams that are top 20 not only when you beat them but also at the end of the year, and make the tournament field). This is nearly impossibly difficult for low/mid-major schools to do, just because of how college basketball scheduling is done.

About the only feasible way of doing it is the MVC template of building up your own league's RPI strength, getting most of your teams in your own conference up in the low 100's or double-digits for RPI's, and then hope all there are no upset tournament champions in the "power" conferences.