Men's Basketball: SDSU vs. Wisconsin-Milwaukee

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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After the Kentucky game, one of their players commented that Beran could start for any team in the SEC. I know he had an exceptional game, but a great compliment to his ability nontheless.

[TK22867]

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No it did not upset me. I just consider the source and I must be talking to an NBA player who obviously much smarter and skillful than Nagy and crew. ;D If you have eligibilty, and talent to be a Student athlete be my guest as obviously the ones we currently have are less than you are in terms of contributing to a winning basketball program.

I guess you have a great deal to offer judging by your unfair comments.

Your posts are getting more childish by the post. How old are you? Not above 13 I hope. At least Jacks#1fan can have a civilized discussion even though he disagrees with a lot I have to say. I'm just giving my opinion, which I am entitled to do, even thought it may not be "expert" opinion as you classify it. Did I ever say I could do better than our boys or coaches?

You are considering the source, me, so you must know all about me including my athletic and educational background, family, etc. Maybe I should just give you my password so you can start logging in and posting for me.

Can we get a constructive post out of you, or are you just going to stick with calling me a moron and telling everyone what I know and don't know?

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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I agree, Andre is the most athletic guy on the team.  Athleticism is a great asset, but right now we need basketball players.  We have great athletes on our football and track teams, but that doesn’t mean they should be on the floor at Frost.  

I’m not saying Andre will not be a good or even great basketball player, but right now he is not helping the team.  Maybe he should be brought in slowly, so he can get a feel for college basketball before putting us down by 10 points every single game.  

The recruiting game in Division I requires that these guys get some playing time, but at what expense?

JJ Reddick and Patrick Sparks are not great athletes, but both are elite players at big time schools.  If you look at most good Division I teams-or basketball teams in general, they have 2-3 players who put up big numbers, and 6-7 guys who play solid defense and don’t make mistakes.  (Do Kentucky and Illinois ring a bell?)

The game of basketball goes across all talent levels.  Jason Sempsrott was a player with limited athletic talent but huge basketball skill.  Basketball is a game of skill and talent; Andre and Jose have plenty of talent.  You can be an average “athlete” and still be an outstanding basketball player-if you understand the game and how to play it.    This is known as basketball IQ.

It seems like many on this board want style over substance, which is fine if you don’t care about the outcome of games.  South Dakota State has always had fans who understand the game of basketball, and they know when it isn’t being played well.  I realize we can’t expect to win many games during the transition to Division I, but the team can certainly represent SDSU basketball better.

Read some of my other posts. I'm a big critic of Gilbert's play. He has the gifts to be special, but his head is currently getting in the way. That being said, basketball IQ on a guy who is too slow or small to get around the athletes on another team doesn't get any more done than a guy like Gilbert who has great athleticism, but poor IQ. You can teach basketball IQ. You can't teach athleticism. That's why a guy like Gilbert deservedly receives a bigger rope in regards to his play.

FYI: JJ Redd*ick is a great athlete as well as having a great basketball IQ. If you think he's driving by defenders based on basketball IQ alone, you're vastly underrating his athletic ability. I played against Sempsrott often in annual football/basketball pickup games in the springs of my college years. He too was a gifted athlete who also happened to have a great IQ.

One thing that is overlooked on Sempsrott and perhaps JJ is their desire/heart. If Sempsrott was on the floor, he wasn't going to let his team lose. I don't see that from many of the players on this SDSU team. In ten seconds name the leader of the team based on your observations. Give me ten minutes and I'm not sure I can give you an answer on that. They too often look like a ship without a rudder on the floor. Nagy keeps burning timeouts as a result. My guess is Cadwell will evolve into a leader. He has that look when he plays. Who knows, though.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Guys, we are all State Fans here, right? If you sat by each other at a game would you not high five each other?

Although some of my posts are harsh, I try to back them up with quotes, statistics, or something I saw on the court. Sometimes, it is purely my own opinion. When we belittle the poster instead of their opinion, both sides can end up looking foolish.

Example:

poster 1-I think "A" because of X, Y, and Z.

poster 2-I think "A" is wrong because of X, Y, and Z. "B" is clearly a more realist approach because of a specific stastistic.

Instead, we often get:

poster 1-I think "A" for no apparent reason at all.

poster 2-Poster 1 is a fool. "B" is The whole world clearly agrees with me. Rabbits Attack!

Poster 1-Poster 2 is truely a fool. Everybody get him!

Wash, Rinse, Repeat

I know this pattern because I have carefully studied many of the posts made since the board started. Try not to get mad, enjoy a lively discussion with your fellow fans.

Free advice from someone who is not an expert-this holiday, when visiting family and friends, do not discuss religon, politics, and now Jackrabbit basketball.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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agreed - the funny thing is that everyone is upset with the team. The infighting happens when things aren't going well.

[TK22867]

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I agree as well. Unfortunately I will hold myself slightly responsible for the mess under this thread. However, I was just posting my opinions based on what I have observed to date and my basketball knowledge. No one on this board likes being told "you don't know what you are talking about" just because their opinion might differ with someone elses. It shows a complete lack of respect for this board and everyone who posts on it. I should have been a bigger man and not even responded to some other posts, but the childishness of some posters just draws you into it.

That being said, if you disagree with what someone posts, I would hope there would be a response of "I have to disagree because......." instead of "What are you talking about you idiot, you think you are all high and mighty, blah blah blah"

Hopefully the locker room of our mens team is holding together better than these boards in tough times!

[SDSUFAN]

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Your posts are getting more childish by the post.  How old are you?  Not above 13 I hope.   At least Jacks#1fan can have a civilized discussion even though he disagrees with a lot I have to say.  I'm just giving my opinion, which I am entitled to do, even thought it may not be "expert" opinion as you classify it.  Did I ever say I could do better than our boys or coaches?

You are considering the source, me, so you must know all about me including my athletic and educational background, family, etc.  Maybe I should just give you my password so you can start logging in and posting for me.

Can we get a constructive post out of you, or are you just going to stick with calling me a moron and telling everyone what I know and don't know?

When you think its humorous that a SDSU player has a muscle cramp or hammy which ever applies, then I dont think you are much older than 13 either. Your opinions are like noses, everyone has one and I dont agree with your high and mighty take on things. It infers that you could do better. Now that is down right annoying to say the least. And I am suppose to respect that crap? No way. You can think what you want about me, but I think you  and your observations are very unfair to say the least.

You keep implying that this team is a mess and yes its lacking experience and to imply that our D2 alums could beat the current team is outrageous to say the least and if that is your observation on what you know, then that does not say a whole lot about yourself.

How is the locker room helped by telling them they are worse than a D2 team? ???

Did I say you were a moron? I dont think so but if you feel as though I was calling you a moron than thats your take and not mine.

Your opinions are down right nasty, and not constructive at all that I can see. To respectfully agree or disagree with nasty comments is not what I am going to do. Sorry!!!

[bub94]

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Read some of my other posts.  I'm a big critic of Gilbert's play.  He has the gifts to be special, but his head is currently getting in the way.  That being said, basketball IQ on a guy who is too slow or small to get around the athletes on another team doesn't get any more done than a guy like Gilbert who has great athleticism, but poor IQ.  You can teach basketball IQ.  You can't teach athleticism.  That's why a guy like Gilbert deservedly receives a bigger rope in regards to his play.  

FYI: JJ Redd*ick is a great athlete as well as having a great basketball IQ.  If you think he's driving by defenders based on basketball IQ alone, you're vastly underrating his athletic ability.  I played against Sempsrott often in annual football/basketball pickup games in the springs of my college years.  He too was a gifted athlete who also happened to have a great IQ.  

One thing that is overlooked on Sempsrott and perhaps JJ is their desire/heart.  If Sempsrott was on the floor, he wasn't going to let his team lose.  I don't see that from many of the players on this SDSU team.  In ten seconds name the leader of the team based on your observations.  Give me ten minutes and I'm not sure I can give you an answer on that.  They too often look like a ship without a rudder on the floor.  Nagy keeps burning timeouts as a result.  My guess is Cadwell will evolve into a leader.  He has that look when he plays.  Who knows, though.

Jason Sempsrott huh? Remember back in the days when you saw this undersized guard drive the lane and hang in the air. He could take contact and still get the ball in the basket. If he got hot from 3 land, watch out. He also would pass the ball to others. His head was in the game and you didn't see turnovers from him. One of the things I remember about him was when he was taken out of the line-up for the last time in Frost, he had this big smile on his face, turned to the crowd and raised his jersey. This guy was a classy player and a very bright student. I believe he was a chemical engineer student with physics major too. About 2-3 years after he was done playing here, I was sitting in the student section (shhhhh, don't tell anyone) and I turned around and he was just sitting in the stands. Quiet guy just enjoying BB.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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Anyone who saw him play against USD his last season at Frost will never forget it. He willed us to victory with some clutch shots when everyone in the gym knew he was getting the ball. Best SDSU basketball player I have ever seen play, although my youth prevents me from commenting on Jacobsen or any of the greats of old.

[SDSUFAN]

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Anyone who saw him play against USD his last season at Frost will never forget it.  He willed us to victory with some clutch shots when everyone in the gym knew he was getting the ball.  Best SDSU basketball player I have ever seen play, although my youth prevents me from commenting on Jacobsen or any of the greats of old.

The thing I recall about Semprott's career is that it was partially under Coach Soderberg, whose style of offense did not seem to include Jason. I understand he was somewhat discouraged and about to give up basketball all together, until Coach Nagy came back as head coach.
Jason got back on track when Nagy returned as head coach and the rest is history.

I could not disagree that Semprott was all heart and made many unbelievable shots. He was a great scholar to boot. There is no question one of the best. I think its hard to compare Semp with Jacobsen because the length in time diffence in which each played. The game changed a great deal between the late 1950's and the 1990's when Semp was playing. Both played with heart and both were unselfish and great team players.

It's great that we do have a wall of fame and hall of fame as it gives the institution a permanent way of recognizing outstanding individuals like Sempsrott and Jacobsen.

I havent given up on the current roster as we could have some some outstanding individuals emerg who equal or exceed Sempsrott and Jacobsen both.

[JACKGUYII]

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As we lament about how great some of the previous players were and they were however don't forget they were playing against a little different level of competition. This team looked pretty impressive against Upper Iowa and Morningside. Even with all of the weaknesses of this team they would beat most of the regional DII competition. What I would like to see from this team is the competiveness of someone like a Chris Stoebner who was usually not a better player than the guy across from him but was going to outwork and outhustle him and leave it all on the floor. I don't see that kind of heart from many of these players. Maybe they are so discouraged and lack confidence from getting kicked around all the time.

[bub94]

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As we lament about how great some of the previous players were and they were however don't forget they were playing against a little different level of competition. This team looked pretty impressive against Upper Iowa and Morningside. Even with all of the weaknesses of this team they would beat most of the regional DII competition. What I would like to see from this team is the competiveness of someone like a Chris Stoebner who was usually not a better player than the guy across from him but was going to outwork and outhustle him and leave it all on the floor. I don't see that kind of heart from many of these players. Maybe they are so discouraged and lack confidence from getting kicked around all the time.

Actually, I'm gonna disagree with you just a little.  Chris was probably better than the guy across from him but he was all team.  Just the way he played the game made him a favorite of mine.  Totally agree with the outwork and outhustle comment.  He could have had a lot better stats but he was team first.  Another class athlete.  Saw him at the game last week too.  

One last comment on Jason, the scoring list shows him playing for 3 years. I believe his first year here, he sat on the bench. It wasn't until his junior year he got the playing time from Coach Nagy.

[89rabbit]

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I couldn't help but notice the number of times that Jason Sempsrott's name came up.  No doubt that he was one of the all time Jackrabbit greats.  After all he sits as the #8 all time scorer in Jackrabbit history.  I thought it might be fun to look at his entire career.

http://www3.sdstate.edu/ClassLibrary...Guide_2005.pdf

Freshmen year:

He played in 26 games and started 0.  He scored 69 points for the season.  He avg. 2.7 points and 0.5 rebounds per game.

Soph. year

He played in 25 games and started 1.  He scored 148 points for the season.  He avg. 5.9 points and 1.2 rebounds per game.

Jr. year

He played in 29 games and started 21.  He scored 457 points for the season.  He avg. 15.8 points and 2.7 rebounds per game.

Sr. year

He played in 30 games and started 30.  He scored 716 points for the season.  He avg. 23.9 points and 4.6 rebounds per game.

Maybe we should give the younger guys a chance to develop, what do you think?

Coach Nagy after the game said it is not how a team starts but how it finishes that matters.  This couldn't be more true this season.  

Let's look at who we started the season with .  .  .

Kentucky - SEC, Elite 8 in '04-'05 most storied program in NCAA history.

Northern Colorado - Independent - W

Ill. - Big 10, NCAA Runner-Up in  '04-'05

SEMO - Ohio Valley - should have won this game

Cal-State Fullerton - Big West, NIT Sweet 16 in '04-'05 - Picked to win the Big West and make the NCAA in '05-'06

Marquette - Big East - NIT in '04-'05, winners of this year's Great Alaskan Shoot out.

UW-Milwaukee - Horizon - NCAA Sweet 16 in '04-'05, picked to win the Horizon and go back to the NCAA in '05-'06 starts 5 Seniors and has a 6th coming off the bench

I don't know about everyone but before the season started I had us 2-5 at this point in the season. I would guess that our best D-II would also fair no better then 2-5 up to this point in the schedule.  

I think, before anyone writes this team off, we need to wait and see how they finish.  Look at our schedule from Jan. and Feb.

Montana St. - Big Sky
Utah Valley St. - Indy.
NDSU - Indy.
Central Florida - C-USA
Idaho St. - Big Sky
Utah St. - WAC
Utah Valley St. - Indy.
Southwest Minn. St. - D-II
IPFW - Indy.
Texas-Pan Am. - Indy
Middle Tenn. St. - Sun Belt
NDSU - Indy.
IPFW - Indy.
Texas-Pan Am. - Indy

Lots of winnable games in those two months, don't get me wrong we will have to fight for every W we get this year especially with Steve Holdren (Pre-Season All Indy. 1st team) out.  However, the compitition looks a whole lot easier then what we have faced so far.

Coach Nagy said that he hoped the fans would stay behind this team.  I think they will.  As frustrated as we all are, I think we know that given time, better things will be coming for our Jackrabbits.

Go State!  ;D

[SDSUFAN]

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89:
I really think you are very much entitled to the designation of moderator as you presented a very good post. Now that sounds kind of kissy but I appreciate a little realistic truth on this year's team.

 Your numbers on Sempsrott, bears out what I posted namely the coaching styles of Soderberg and Nagy were different and Jason did not get the opportunity to demonstate his talents his first two years.

I liked Coach Soderberg as a person and he is a great coach, but for some reason his offense did not seem to use outside shooters much. Sempsrott had been recruited by Nagy just before Thorson lost his job, and coming in Soderberg may have had other ideas about a recruit that was not his decision. I don't know, but its history now.

BTW Wisconsin Milwaukee came to Brookings after going to St Louis where they knocked off the St Louis U Billikens, now coached by Brad Soderberg.

I have been a little surprised that we dont have St Louis U on our schedule. I know Brad left SDSU with the big offer to go help his old coach at Wisconsin and left here on very good terms. I think he has kept in touch with various staff people. So maybe its a timing thing in that St Louis may have filled their schedules three or four years in advance.

Agreed we may have some real stars on this years team who have not had the opportunity to show what they can do.
lf you recall Coach Nagy made a comment in his post game show that he hoped the fans would stay with this team. He went to say he heard some comment from behind the bench that he particulary did not like. (Possibly some thing equal to the sign displayed during Gene Zulk's era, namely a sign that said "Zulk for President, He cant Coach".) I hope we can keep our criticism above that level.

[TK22867]

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When you think its humorous that a SDSU player has a muscle cramp or hammy which ever applies, then I dont think you are much older than 13 either. Your opinions are like noses, everyone has one and I dont agree with your high and mighty take on things. It infers that you could do better. Now that is down right annoying to say the least. And I am suppose to respect that crap? No way. You can think what you want about me, but I think you  and your observations are very unfair to say the least.

You keep implying that this team is a mess and yes its lacking experience and to imply that our D2 alums could beat the current team is outrageous to say the least and if that is your observation on what you know, then that does not say a whole lot about yourself.

How is the locker room helped by telling them they are worse than a D2 team? ???

Did I say you were a moron? I dont think so but if you feel as though I was calling you a moron than thats your take and not mine.

Your opinions are down right nasty, and not constructive at  all that I can see. To respectfully agree or disagree with nasty comments is not what I am going to do. Sorry!!!

Your post pretty much speaks for itself, so I'm not even going to respond to it. --- Check that, I think I will.