Holdren transferring to Illinois

[TK22867]

Re: Holdren transferring to Illinois

As far as I know, he didn't sign anything obligating him to remain at SDSU.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but doesn't Nagy technically have to release Holdren from his scholarship in order for him to go somewhere else? This would indicate to me that Holdren did sign something obligating him to remain at SDSU, unless the coach/AD decide otherwise.

If I recall, the recent transfers of Michael Thompson and Eric Boateng from Duke to any other D1 school required that Coach K release him from his scholarship.

Again, I could be wrong, but I thought I'd throw that bone out there.

[jackmd]

Re: Holdren transferring to Illinois

Holdren is a nice kid who accepted a scholarship from SDSU understanding that his tuition would be paid for while he played BB at SDSU.  He has broken that commitment to return home for whatever reason.

That being said, I do generally think less highly of players who leave to go somewhere else.

That is really the point of my post. If some of you want to argue semantics go right ahead and thrill yourself. Don't pile crap on Nagy in this situation. Holdren made the decision to leave. He wasn't forced out and he wasn't forced to stay. He left, its on him, plain and simple. Obviously, he felt the benefits of leaving SDSU and going to Illinios outweighed the risks/consequences.

[RodentiaX1]

Re: Holdren transferring to Illinois

I'm not dumping on Nagy, but I'm not playing semantical games either. Holdren didn't break any contract by leaving. I'm not going to demonize a player for leaving, but I'm inclined to forget they existed right after I yell "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out." If a player wants to bolt somewhere and expect a goodwill, they can get it at their new school.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

Re: Holdren transferring to Illinois

[If the commitment was that his tuition would be paid while he played for SDSU, then he has not broken that committment - SDSU won't be paying his tuition next year. If the commitment was that he remain at SDSU for four years, that would be different. If a coach cuts a player, is that a violation of a committment?

It is SDSU policy to honor a player's scholarship for the full 4 years (or longer if redshirted) unless that player chooses to leave or is expelled from the team for violations. Derrick Dirkheising started at Def End his redshirt freshman year, only to injure his knee later in the season. Never played another down for the Jacks. He was on a high scholarship amount in the D2 days. His scholarship was honored until he graduated. If Steve Holdren's knee didn't bounce back from this surgery, he would have graduated with a full scholarship from SDSU regardless of whether he played another minute of basketball for SDSU. Name me one time when a SDSU coach cut a player and his/her scholarship. Otherwise, it's not a fair comparison.

As for Holdren, if he wants to play for his dream school, good for him. You only get one chance in life to play collegiate athletics. I hope he succeeds. I don't think anyone on this board wants him to fail. He's a good kid. But, he committed to SDSU and the Program made plans to have him here for 4 years. He backed out on that when SDSU never would have. Such is life in collegiate athletics.

[jackrabbit1979]

Re: Holdren transferring to Illinois

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 But, he committed to SDSU and the Program made plans to have him here for 4 years.  He backed out on that when SDSU never would have.  Such is life in collegiate athletics.

And he backed out when the program that gave him a chance needed him most...

[Hoops]

Re: Holdren transferring to Illinois

Colleges don't generally take back scholarships because if the word got out that a university takes scholarships back it would be very difficult for future recruiting.....but, I know for a fact that there are ways to encourage kids to turn in their scholarships.......I haven't noticed that reason popping up in any of the recent posts.
One player recently just went through that.................a heart and soul searching four to five months.
There is always more to the story than what gets out to the public and that isn't necessarily a bad thing because we truly don't need to know it all....
but, just remember that when you see these players leaving.
Just food for thought!

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

Re: Holdren transferring to Illinois

I won't talk in innuendos or "there's more to every story".  I doubt many have more inside info than I was privy to for the past 2 seasons.  As a result and because I wouldn't betray that friendship or trust, I rarely ever posted on the basketball team aside from my observations regarding the team and the games they played.  Even when there were things on the board I knew were flat out wrong. But to insinuate that SDSU coaches, basketball coaches in particular, are pressuring players to give up info is reckless and incorrect.  Either your information is wrong or you're getting half-truths.  Unless you have it straight from the horses mouth, your source is less credible than mine.

And to say that SDSU only honors their scholarships because of how it would affect future recruiting classes is an unfair statement. To a certain degree that is true, undoubtadly. However, I personally witnessed a half-dozen examples of players having their rides honored when more than one of them told the coach they would willingly relinquish their scholarship dollars. And that was when we were scraping along at D2 scholarship levels where every 1/4 scholarship meant the difference from getting a recruit or not getting one. SDSU has it's faults, but our the school choosing to honor their scholarships is merely a "save face" decision is cheapening SDSU's stance on that subject.

[Hoops]

Re: Holdren transferring to Illinois

Whoa.............I said Colleges in general terms..where did you read SDSU?

My comment about kids leaving SDSU wasn't in reference to SDSU taking back scholarships at all...The meaning is there are always more details to every one of these situations that we are not privy (or have very few details), so how can any one of us decide what is good for the athlete or University??? That is what the coaches get paid for......right?

Nagy is a great coach and he has one heck of a job in front of him. When the school made the decision to go D-I he had a heck of a job in front of him at that time. Considering all his set backs I think he is the guy to make this school a contender in the future. I am excited for the future. I want others to be too!

Oh, and MilwaukeeJack I have been around organized sports all my adult life. My profession has allowed me the opportunity to work personally with many Major, Mid-Major, D-2/3 and Juco coaches representing many different sports. ie Football, Men and Women's Basketball, Baseball, Girls Softball, Girls Volleyball, Wrestling, Men's and Women's Tennis, Gymnastics, Track and Field to name a few. One of the coaches is currently coaching in the NBA. I feel very blessed to be surrounded by these outstanding individuals who sacrafice their whole to do what they do. I feel that I do have a slight inside on how things are run just by that exposure but I never professed to be all knowing and I don't think my posts indicate that either. I almost feel like you were putting words in my mouth that I didn't say or don't believe!

I generally don't post, but I just want people to lighten up on Nagy and give him a chance to do what it is that he does best. If people will stick by him I know he can pull the University through!!

[Jacked_Up]

Re: Holdren transferring to Illinois

[quote author=Hoops link=1146515117/30#39 date=1146764964]I don't think that unless someone has been around or involved with organized colligate sports on a personal level that they should comment on these student athlete's taking advantage of a free ride education then bolting.....these athlete's pay with their lives and souls for the time they are in the programs.

I appreciate and respect the contributions of student-athletes. But in addition to benefitting players, college basketball is played for the enjoyment of other students, fans, donors and taxpayers. For many fans like me, talking about sports is half the fun of following an athletic program. As other posters have pointed out, at least SDSU still has some passionate fans left. When this board turns blank with apathy, it's really time to start worrying. The more that people comment, the better.

[jackmd]

Re: Holdren transferring to Illinois

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I appreciate and respect the contributions of student-athletes. But in addition to benefitting players, college basketball is played for the enjoyment of other students, fans, donors and taxpayers. For many fans like me, talking about sports is half the fun of following an athletic program. As other posters have pointed out, at least SDSU still has some passionate fans left. When this board turns blank with apathy, it's really time to start worrying. The more that people comment, the better.

I agree, opinions are necessary.  More importantly, retorts to those opinions are necessary.  The only point I wanted to make is this, Holdren decided to leave.  He has said he wanted to return to Illinois.  It may be that he wanted to leave SDSU, but he didn't say that.  Obviously, there are many reasons why he may have wanted a fresh start.

[SD-STATE]

Re: Holdren transferring to Illinois

Why do we keep talking about Holdren? He's gone, who cares? An athlete, at any level does not deserve all this speacial consideration.

[thebluehatman]

Re: Holdren transferring to Illinois

gone for 2 days and the talk about holdren continues. man just put the final nails in the coffin cuz its finals week and the year is just about over. caddy is taking the team on his shoulders and gonna lead them to the promised land.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

Re: Holdren transferring to Illinois

Whoa.............I said Colleges in general terms..where did you read SDSU?  
 
My comment about  kids leaving SDSU wasn't in reference to SDSU taking back scholarships at all...The meaning is there are always more details to every one of these situations that we are not privy (or have very few details), so how can any one of us decide what is good for the athlete or University???  That is what the coaches get paid for......right?  

Nagy is a great coach and he has one heck of a job in front of him.  When the school made the decision to go D-I he had a heck of a job in front of him at that time.  Considering all his set backs I think he is the guy to make this school a contender in the future.  I am excited for the future.  I want others to be too!

Oh, and MilwaukeeJack I have been around organized sports all my adult life.  My profession has allowed me the opportunity to work personally with many Major, Mid-Major, D-2/3 and Juco coaches representing many different sports.  ie Football, Men and Women's Basketball, Baseball, Girls Softball, Girls Volleyball, Wrestling, Men's and Women's Tennis, Gymnastics, Track and Field to name a few.   One of the coaches is currently coaching in the NBA.  I feel very blessed to be surrounded by these outstanding individuals who sacrafice their whole to do what they do.  I feel that I do have a slight inside on how things are run just by that exposure but I never professed to be all knowing and I don't think my posts indicate that either.   I almost feel like you were putting words in my mouth that I didn't say or don't believe!

I generally don't post, but I just want people to lighten up on Nagy and give him a chance to do what it is that he does best.  If people will stick by him I know he can pull the University through!!

My Apologies, Hoops. I was fired up and should have read your post better. I wish I could count the number of times on both hands and feet when my mouth/actions got the better of me before the ol' brain could interject. Unfortunately, I blew past counting my pinky toes sometime in the 3rd grade. My frustration was more of the general "WHAT THE F IS GOING ON?" type reactions sometimes projected on this site when something goes even midly wrong. And my way of reacting to that sort of feeling was to type my own "WHAT THE F IS GOING ON" response. Probably not the best way to go about things. And, now I look like a jack@ss for calling you out when you didn't say anything negative in the first place. Again, I apologize.

*It's been a long weekend. I have a trial on Monday so I'm on edge and I just put my ladder through one of the windows on my house while taking down the remaining Christmas lights. And the window I broke is leaded glass, and I'm told I'll need to dip into my daughters' college funds just to pay to have it repaired. No excuse, just a little background on my great weekend.

[Hoops]

Re: Holdren transferring to Illinois

No problem......you might want to up your insurance though!!
Hope things turn around for you!

[bub94]

Re: Holdren transferring to Illinois

[quote author=MilwaukeeJacksAlum link=1146515117/45#57 date=1147062281][quote author=Hoops link=1146515117/45#52 date=1146929390] And, now I look like a jack@ss for calling you out when you didn't say anything negative in the first place.  Again, I apologize.

Now come on...you looked like a jack@ss before that. LOL!!!!! ;D Just kidding