UW-Milwaukee Game

[gojacksgo]

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Can blame the refs all we want, but turnovers lost this one.  It was good to see them stick with them until the last 5 minutes.  Hopefully the Jacks can put a full game in on Friday.


Kudos for sticking with them until the end. They are improving in other areas - still need to work on the TO's though.

[thebluehatman]

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69-56 Jacks trail with under 2 minutes left in the game. Refs still suck and don't know WTF they are doing.

[NightHawk78]

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Can blame the refs all we want, but turnovers lost this one. It was good to see them stick with them until the last 5 minutes. Hopefully the Jacks can put a full game in on Friday.


Kudos for sticking with them until the end. They are improving in other areas - still need to work on the TO's though.

Yeah, we probably didn't play well enough to win, but the complexion of the matchup changes radically when the referees become the most noticeable aspect of the game. Stevie Wonder, Clyde Calhoun, and Forrest Gump would make a better officiating crew than this group of yahoos tonight.

[thebluehatman]

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Nagy should just get a T for the heck of it, I see NDSU beat Furman tonight. 72-56 UWM.

[thebluehatman]

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75-58 will be the final score.

[Jacked_Up]

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Tough loss. It sounded like a much closer game and was closer for much of the contest. The first few minutes and last few minutes were tough. But there are encouraging signs (not turnovers). I sure wish the Jacks would win a game or two before 2007 arrives. These guys deserve it.

[JackJD]

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Saw brief highlights on KELO TV. Yackley looks real nice squaring up and canning a three.

[jackmd]

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Can blame the refs all we want, but turnovers lost this one.  It was good to see them stick with them until the last 5 minutes.  Hopefully the Jacks can put a full game in on Friday.

Kudos for sticking with them until the end.  They are improving in other areas - still need to work on the TO's though.

My sentiments exactly, just add in the fact that missed free throws are killers. Look at how FT's have propelled the women's team to the top.

Better performance but still a little discouraging. Discipline is hard to teach it takes a commitment from the pupil. Cadwell or Loney or whoever needs to get the team on the FT line before and after practice.

I want MJA's take on the refs. Steve is always a little hard on them. Must admit I enjoyed listening to this game more than the others this year.

Great win once again for NDSU. They have what we don't on the men's side right now, the same can be said for our women.

[Statebasketballfan]

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[quote author=gojacksgo link=1164056484/75#75 date=1164251139]Can blame the refs all we want, but turnovers lost this one. It was good to see them stick with them until the last 5 minutes. Hopefully the Jacks can put a full game in on Friday.

Kudos for sticking with them until the end. They are improving in other areas - still need to work on the TO's though.

My sentiments exactly, just add in the fact that missed free throws are killers. Look at how FT's have propelled the women's team to the top.

Better performance but still a little discouraging. Discipline is hard to teach it takes a commitment from the pupil. Cadwell or Loney or whoever needs to get the team on the FT line before and after practice.

I want MJA's take on the refs. Steve is always a little hard on them. Must admit I enjoyed listening to this game more than the others this year.

Great win once again for NDSU. They have what we don't on the men's side right now, the same can be said for our women.[/quote]

Not to single you out, because a lot of posts have been written that have this same feel, but what exactly do you think we lack for manpower that NDSU has? The only thing that I can think of would be their pf/c andre, but thats it. For personnel I think we are equal or better at every position to them. I think our main problem so far has been playing as a "team", which NDSU exemplifies. Every game we have lost so far has been due to turnovers. That could be due to 1. Lack of talent or 2. Lack of game experience and team offense. I would be open to any answer, but what I've seen so far indicates that we don't have a team, but do have the talent. Maybe some of you disagree, which I can accept.

[SoDak]

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Sounds like we competed in this game for a while, that's a definite plus.

[jackmd]

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Not to single you out, because a lot of posts have been written that have this same feel, but what exactly do you think we lack for manpower that NDSU has?  The only thing that I can think of would be their pf/c andre, but thats it.  For personnel I think we are equal or better at every position to them.  I think our main problem so far has been playing as a "team", which NDSU exemplifies.  Every game we have lost so far has been due to turnovers.  That could be due to 1.  Lack of talent or 2.  Lack of game experience and team offense.  I would be open to any answer, but what I've seen so far indicates that we don't have a team, but do have the talent.  Maybe some of you disagree, which I can accept.    

Single me out all you want but I'm not sure you understood my post.  I didn't say anything about our individual players or talent (except that they commit too many turnovers and are poor FT shooters) nor did I say anything about NDSU's individual players or talent level.  I just said their men's team has what we don't right now.  I will say that they have not lost quality players like Beran, Holdren, Jones, Berte, and Gilbert.  That definitely hurt our team in a lot of ways.

What I meant was simply that NDSU's men's BB team has found some success early in the transition and we are struggling to find the right formula.  I believe there are a number of reasons for that and I also ultimately believe those reasons will be corrected.  Vice versa for the women's programs.

[1bunnies]

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[quote author=Statebasketballfan link=1164056484/75#83 date=1164324171]
Not to single you out, because a lot of posts have been written that have this same feel, but what exactly do you think we lack for manpower that NDSU has?  The only thing that I can think of would be their pf/c andre, but thats it.  For personnel I think we are equal or better at every position to them.  I think our main problem so far has been playing as a "team", which NDSU exemplifies.  Every game we have lost so far has been due to turnovers.  That could be due to 1.  Lack of talent or 2.  Lack of game experience and team offense.  I would be open to any answer, but what I've seen so far indicates that we don't have a team, but do have the talent.  Maybe some of you disagree, which I can accept.    

Single me out all you want but I'm not sure you understood my post.  I didn't say anything about our individual players or talent (except that they commit too many turnovers and are poor FT shooters) nor did I say anything about NDSU's individual players or talent level.  I just said their men's team has what we don't right now.  I will say that they have not lost quality players like Beran, Holdren, Jones, Berte, and Gilbert.  That definitely hurt our team in a lot of ways.

What I meant was simply that NDSU's men's BB team has found some success early in the transition and we are struggling to find the right formula.  I believe there are a number of reasons for that and I also ultimately believe those reasons will be corrected.  Vice versa for the women's programs.[/quote]

I tend to agree with both of you. Indeed we have not matched NDSU with early success, but I do think we are every bit as good as NDSU's men. We beat them a year ago with football players.

[SDSUJack3031]

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I think we have Kai, Caddy, Loney, Callahan, and Bassett (when he plays well) that are our only true Division 1 basketball players. (I may have missed someone, etc...whatever..but just making a point here.) We might match up with our few players...but NDSU is really really deep and when you can play 8 or 9 guys that could all probably all start on our team...it's tough to lose. As much as I love college basketball and love SDSU bball...I just don't think we have the right group of guys yet..no matter what experience they have.

So my answer is: Not enough talent combined with inexperience and youth.

But hopefully our "bad luck" the last few years turns around and we keep guys around.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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My take on the game. My sister actually came with me, so I had a chance to actually sit back and enjoy the game.

First, the officials. I am never one to blame games on the officiating, but these guys were horrible. They whistled us for 6 traveling violations in the first half. SIX! Half of those were Loney or Engen on post moves. I spent my entire basketball career working on post moves, so I know what is traveling and what is not. Those were not traveling calls. In the second half, once we got to 54-54, it seemed like the officials, and one in particular, decided there was no way a SD team was coming into Milwaukee and beating UWM. My seats were right behind the UWM bench and amongst all the UWM die-hards, so I generally kept quiet, but twice in the second half I yelled something at the officials because the calls were that bad.

One in particular: With the score something like 63-56 (we were still within ten points - not sure of exact score) there was a string of 3 bad calls. UWM has the ball, guard goes to the hole out of control and the officials bail him out on a late whistle after Coach Jeter hollars for a foul. Call didn't come until the SDSU player had the rebound in his hands. They make both free throws and set up full court pressure off the make. We send Callahan on a long bomb and he has a step on the defender. The defender proceeds to grab his inside arm and Callahan fumbles it out of bounds. No call. Nagy livid. Ref tells him to sit down. UWM goes the other way and they call us for a tic tac foul at the top of the key all of 4 seconds into the possession. 2 more made free throws. Swing of 6 points against us. Sealed our fate.

I talked to a couple of the players after the game and they said they had one of the officials before and he was bad then, too. Nagy was on that official in particular all game. Enough about the officials. They were a joke.

The game itself.

I was very proud of the effort given by the team midway through the first half on. Engen played well the first part of the game, and was a disruptive force on defense merely because of his size. If he puts on any muscle at all and gets himself under control on offense, he can really help us. Lot of ifs, though. He had some nice post moves, but was too easily moved out of the block by guys that really weren't that big for UWM. He had a couple fouls and a traveling call go against him and he seemed to disappear after that. I think he has the potential to be a really good post player in a couple years, though.

Callahan was all he was billed to be. He didn't necessarily do anything that made you say "WOW", but he just has "IT". He has the same "it" as all good basketball players have. He didn't start and I didn't have a program so I wasn't sure who he even was. He came off the bench and instantly caught my eye. When he stepped on the floor, he had that look like he believed he was the best player on the court. He played like it too. He had some turnovers when he tried to do a little too much, and he looked like he ran out of gas towards the end, but I was very impressed. Talked to him a little after the game and he said his hand is still really weak. He'll be really good before it's all over. You'll all enjoy watching him play. He's still young, but as impressive as anyone we have.

Loney. I love watching him play. He works his tail off. I laughed to myself at the beginning of the game because his uniform was soaked before tipoff. I wish he was 6'10" or even 6'8". He'd be unstoppable.

Cadwell. Played well. They really focused on him as expected. He struggled in the first half to find an open look, but came together in the second half when Nagy went small.

Leads me to Nagy. Man is he a good coach. He spent all of the first half and the first part of the second half trying to find a combination he liked. With about 5 minutes gone in the second half, UWM's on the line after (I think) Yackley picks up a quick 3rd. Nagy sends in Cadwell to sub for him and after a moment's hesitation decides to say "screw it, I'm going small" and puts in Cadwell, Callahan, Mac, Frias and Loney. UWM couldn't keep up and that's when the run started resulting in the 54-54 tie. He would bring in Yackley and Barrett to spell someone, but we always had at least 4 gaurds on the floor at once. UWM eventually went small as well, but we still matched up just as well. Some questionable calls by the officials and a couple breakdowns on defense is all that prevented us from keeping it close.

Kai Williams. Was non-existant. That really dissapointed me. I was waiting the entire first half for him to take his guy to the rack. He had Paige Paulsen guarding him for a good portion of the first half and he could have taken him to the hole all day. He never did it. I don't remember him even shooting. He didn't even play the last 15 minutes of the game that I remember, so I don't think I was the only one frustrated with him. If he had Callahan's mind set, I think he would have had 20 without breaking a sweat. Now, I've seen him play a total of one game, so that is by no means a fair evaluation. Just, in this game, he was one of the better bodies on the floor and he got absolutely nothing done.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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Boy, I'm really long winded today. Sorry.

No one else really stood out one way or another. Yackley played hard and had a good game for the most part. He really hustled. In fact the entire team really hustled. Here we are, winless and the team's fresh off an 8-9 hour bus ride playing in front of a lot of fans dressed as empty seats over the Thanksgiving holiday and the refs are jobbing us, yet they never quit. Nagy never quit, Larson never quit, etc. Mac and Frias did some nice things. It was really fun to watch when we went small. If we ever get some size, we'll be dangerous.

One last thing and I'll quit. We play like we have 7 freshman alot of the time. There are a lot of times on the floor when our young guys get a little "deer in the headlights" look. That has nothing to do with ability, etc. Just the fact that they're playing the most competitive basketball in their lives and they're brains are racing trying to keep up. Everyone is quicker, bigger, stronger and more athletic than anyone they've ever faced. I know what that feels like. I think the team will be significantly better in the second half of the season because of that fact alone. Getting comfortable on the floor will allow their talents to come through a little easier and we won't be as likely to have those 15-2 runs against us as we are apt to do lately. I felt 10 times better watching this team play than I have the last 2 years when SDSU was in Milwaukee. I think we finally have some real talent on the team. If they all stick together, in 2-3 years we're going to be really good and really fun to watch.