Utah Valley State

[rabbit_boy]

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The problem is we are not getting better. The execution and attention to details is lacking. That is the frustrating part. It looks like the effort is better though. And lets be honest, we need a lot more than Beran and Mo back to be 500.

[Rabbitden]

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NDSU smoked Texas PanAmerican last night.

[FargoBison]

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NDSU smoked Texas PanAmerican last night.

UTPA is team you guys should have a good chance to beat, they have a decent big guy but he is on the slow side. They also have some athletic guys but they are a weak shooting team(at least they were on Thursday).

[Haldersham]

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It seems to me that some of the posters in regards to this time need to be a little more rational...or at least consider some facts...Utah Valley has a very good program, has 16 wins in each of the last two seasons while moving into Division I, started four seniors and a junior, and a junior reserve who lit up the 3-point light last night...and has a strong rpi rating.

They were deeper, and I thought much fresher at the end. We played basically eight players, four of whom are freshmen. Anybody who watched Cadwell closely had to know that his hip pointer was killing him...but he still gutted it out. Despite all this we hang tough except for one stretch.

It is disappointing to keep losing and especially on our home court, but the teams are getting any easier. Texas Pan American beat NDSU last night, and we know we're going to have our hands full with the Bison. As Nagy said, the team is playing hard.

I think you are thinking of the women's game, Texas won on their home court. NDSU men took care of Texas Pan American by 30 pts in Fargo. Texas has a winning record, but their schedule leaves something to be desired.

[JackerRabbit]

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The problem is we are not getting better. The execution and attention to details is lacking. That is the frustrating part. It looks like the effort is better though. And lets be honest, we need a lot more than Beran and Mo back to be 500.

To be fair, next year we are getting Mo, Beran, Moss, Cordova, Sargent, and probably a JUCO or 7ft Granstra in here, so I think its reasonable to expect some improvement.

[filbert]

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The problem is we are not getting better. The execution and attention to details is lacking. That is the frustrating part. It looks like the effort is better though. And lets be honest, we need a lot more than Beran and Mo back to be 500.

I have to agree that this team isn't progressing as fast as anyone (including the players) want it to. But, I'm told that most of this year, we've had to have coaches (even Nagy) participate in 5-on-5 practices because we didn't have enough players to run the drills. Not a good situation, but hopefully one that is over now, as I understand that Berte and Beran have been participating in some recent practices.

[jackmd]

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[quote author=rabbit_boy link=1169442233/60#60 date=1169833253]The problem is we are not getting better.  The execution and attention to details is lacking.  That is the frustrating part.  It looks like the effort is better though.  And lets be honest, we need a lot more than Beran and Mo back to be 500.

To be fair, next year we are getting Mo, Beran, Moss, Cordova, Sargent, and probably a JUCO or 7ft Granstra in here, so I think its reasonable to expect some improvement.  [/quote]

Lets remember, NDSU and UVSC are essentially our peers when it comes to this transition. They are talking about what they can and have done this season, last season, the season before. We keep talking about what we MIGHT become. Thats not criticism or complaint, thats a fact.

Determine for yourself why we can't beat a fellow independent in transition to DI on our home court. I want to see it happen. We can't pick new players or add any other during the middle of the year, we need to find a way to win with the team we have, if we can.

[89rabbit]

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The problem is we are not getting better.  The execution and attention to details is lacking.  That is the frustrating part.  It looks like the effort is better though.  And lets be honest, we need a lot more than Beran and Mo back to be 500.

I think you are wrong; we are and have gotten much better since the beginning of the season.  That is the frustrating part.  We are much better then we were, but we are still not winning games.

I think we are ready to exchange that improvement for wins, but I agree with you that it is the lack of "execution and attention to details" that is now hurting this team.  They need to stay focused for the whole 40 min. and need to stop the long unanswered runs and we will start to get some wins.

Finally, turning to the question of Ben and Mo, will their addition to next years team make us .500 or better? That is very hard to say.  Beyond our conference schedule we don't even know who we are going to be playing yet.  I do know that lack of size (both height and width) is hurting this team.  So adding Ben and Mo (and don't forget Anthony Cordova, and the possibility of other additions to the team) will address that need.

Anyone who knows me knows that I am optimistic.  I have hope that our program will have the pieces in place that it needs to start playing winning basketball next season.  I know for sure that it is far too early to right off '07-'08.  This of course is just my humble opinion; take it for what it is worth.


Go State!    

[JimmyJack]

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I'm still optimistic. There's no doubt that UVSC was more experienced and deeper than we are. With the exception of a four-minute stretch in the second half, we stuck with them despite being much younger, less experienced, and short on bench help. Seriously, is it possible that we won't be a better team next year, with Beran, Berte, Cordova, Sargent, etc. filling out a full bench? If nothing else, we'll have enough players to practice hard against. The effort is there, but we're too young and too thin to finish a game the way a senior-led team like UVSC did last night.

I'm excited about the NDSU game. Big crowd. New bunny being unveiled. It'll be great fun. And I'm going to predict it'll be a close game, too.

[1bunnies]

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[quote author=rabbit_boy link=1169442233/60#60 date=1169833253]The problem is we are not getting better.  The execution and attention to details is lacking.  That is the frustrating part.  It looks like the effort is better though.  And lets be honest, we need a lot more than Beran and Mo back to be 500.

I have to agree that this team isn't progressing as fast as anyone (including the players) want it to.  But, I'm told that most of this year, we've had to have coaches (even Nagy) participate in 5-on-5 practices because we didn't have enough players to run the drills.  Not a good situation, but hopefully one that is over now, as I understand that Berte and Beran have been participating in some recent practices.[/quote]

Along with Beran and Berte, Brandon DeBoer is also practicing with the team. I think all of us are to critical of the team progress immediately after a loss. We need to reflect on what has happened and give it thought before we speak. Sometimes other teams are just better. I believe we have every bit as much talent as UVSU. I go back to the Butler game and Coach Nagy's own words were one thing we need I can't give them right now and that is 2 years in the weight room. All you had to do last night was look at the players during warm-ups and Ray Charles could have told which team would be more physical. We are getting better and I for one am very impressed when we can stay within 10-15 point against teams that have us severely out-manned. It will get better, it just isn't going to happen overnight.

[Walrus]

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I just got back from Volga.  I attended the game last night with West River Jack.
My non-expert observation was that the UVSC players were older and stronger and probably quicker than the Jacks.

The Jacks out rebounded them by a significant margin, which to me showed no lack of effort.  The glaring difference in scoring was UVSC's 8-0 advantage in 3 pointers.   Many of them were pretty wide open.  The Rabbits shots more often came under defensive pressure.

Cadwell was in obvious pain.

I had to come back home for a church event this evening, but I'm in the use it or lose it stage with my vacation time, so tomorrow I'm going back to Volga and take in the Saturday and Monday night games.  I hope to see a couple good games and wins.  

GO JACKS

[Jacks#1Fan]

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I think you are thinking of the women's game, Texas won on their home court. NDSU men took care of Texas Pan American by 30 pts in Fargo. Texas has a winning record, but their schedule leaves something to be desired.

My bad...you are certainly right. Misunderstood the reporting of that score. Thanks for setting it straight.

[rabbit_boy]

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Sorry I forgot about Cordova. With those mentioned and I hope a JC or two we could be 500. I was a bit too frustrated I guess with that loss.

[Jacks99]

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Was at the game and was disapointed in the Jacks attitude. I didn't see the exitement or the hunger for the W. I think at this point they expect to lose. It happens on all teams in any sport with a record such as theirs. I just hope they are optimistic about the future.

There is no question they are playing hard, but not all of their hearts are in it. I saw more individual play vs. team play when compared to home games earlier in the season.

No doubt Valley was much bigger and taller. Their defense was outstanding and was the biggest factor. There were only a few open looks, but our shooters need to learn how to create shots and as Nagy says, they need to have confidence.

I sure hope things go better tonight as that's about as depressed I have been after a game since last year.

[Jacked_Up]

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The Jacks have gotten better as the season has progressed. Remember, for example, the Kent State game in November? Unfortunately, SDSU has had to virtually start over every season since going D-1. The team remains under-manned now, but don't blame that on the players who have stayed with the team. NDSU and, I presume, Utah Valley, have succeeded with a steady build-up of talent and good fortune.