2008-2009 Non-Conference Schedule

[JACKGUYII]

Re: 2008-2009 Non-Conference Schedule

I don't think there is a disagreement. If you're satisfied with the home OOC schedule as it is thats okay with me. I'm just saying I'm not crazy about adjusting my schedule and making the trip back for games against DII teams that I couldn't care less about. When you are a season ticket holder you understand that you pay for tickets for every game. Did I have an expectation that no DII teams would be on the schedule this year? I guess I kind of did. So, I'm disappointed by the OOC home schedule. I think thats about explains it for me.

I agree with Jack MD. I'm going to continue to buy the season tickets regardless of the schedule in support of the program. I do have a higher expectation for the caliber and level of teams we bring in. I understand with now playing conference games in December it narrows the window for dates to play home OOC games. I don't think it's unrealistic to expect at this point that we play one exhibition game against a DII team and the balance is against DI competition. If we have to play more than one DII game than let's at least play against an instate opponent that will bring the fans out. For me the pre-season seems a bit to long just like the NFL. You can't give those pre-season tickets away.

[filbert]

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Let's face it, an RPI in the 300's doesn't make it very easy to convince anybody to come play in Brookings.

Such is life at the bottom of the NCAA men's basketball food chain.

[West-River_Jack]

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OK, so I'll ask the question that should probably not be asked. Should we have attempted to replace a D-II date on the schedule with either UND or the Coyotes? If the same situation should arise next year when those schools are finished with that initial transitional year should we attempt to schedule them or settle for a D-II opponent?

[propar80]

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I would bet the answer from a lot of the area D-II schools and transitioning schools was..."Home and Home and we're in." I wouldn't agree to that in a million years if I was the Athletic Dept. at SDSU.

Go Jacks!!

[jackmd]

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I would bet the answer from a lot of the area D-II schools and transitioning schools was..."Home and Home and we're in." I wouldn't agree to that in a million years if I was the Athletic Dept. at SDSU.

Go Jacks!!

Things are off the track that I'm interested in. Why are we talking about DII schools? Why are we talking about schools in transition?

I'm not asking for excuses I'm expressing MY disappointment in a home OOC schedule that includes 3 non-DI schools. Thats where I'm at. There are 300 + DI schools in the nation and we're playing Upper Iowa, SW Minn St. and Mayville St at home. Thats a fact jacks.

[JimmyJack]

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Things are off the track that I'm interested in. Why are we talking about DII schools? Why are we talking about schools in transition?

I'm not asking for excuses I'm expressing MY disappointment in a home OOC schedule that includes 3 non-DI schools. Thats where I'm at. There are 300 + DI schools in the nation and we're playing Upper Iowa, SW Minn St. and Mayville St at home. Thats a fact jacks.

I agree. It's disappointing to be playing D2s at home.

To be totally fair, the Southwest game is an exhibition and it's not uncommon for D1 teams to play a D2 in exhibition. But Upper Iowa and Mayville are a little hard to swallow.

[filbert]

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I'm not going to rip on having an NSIC team come in for a regular season game, so I'm actually ok with Upper Iowa. I'd rather see Winona or Northern, but what the heck . . . give the D-II guys a shot at beating a D-I team.

Mayville State, on the other hand . . . scheduling any NAIA school is pretty ridiculous, IMHO.

[propar80]

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Things are off the track that I'm interested in. Why are we talking about DII schools? Why are we talking about schools in transition?

I'm not asking for excuses I'm expressing MY disappointment in a home OOC schedule that includes 3 non-DI schools. Thats where I'm at. There are 300 + DI schools in the nation and we're playing Upper Iowa, SW Minn St. and Mayville St at home. Thats a fact jacks.

I do agree that there seems like there should be enough Division I teams in the nation to get all D-1 opponents. And the fact that there are two Lower division teams on our Home OOC schedule is a surprise. But I think once the official schedules of our Summit League partner's come out, I would be surprised if any of them have a full slate of D-1 Home, OOC regular season games, besides maybe ORU.
This is part of being a Mid-Major and one with on RPI in the 300 ta boot. I definitely agree that anything NAIA that isn't an exibition should not be on our schedule and if SDSU is going to play a D-II team, I would like to see Northern, Augie or Winonia...I think they would be a good test, and games SDSU should win. If they don't, we'll then we know where our team is at.
But I still do think that from our A.Dept's view, I would bet that they have tried to get these area teams that I mentioned to come to Frost and have run into the old attitude..."just because you're D-1, we still want/deserve a home and home."

I too hate talking about D-2 teams on any of our schedules, but like I said, I think 1 or 2 home games a year against a lower level team is going to be the norm, unless we as fans are happy with one or two less OOC home games.
Honestly, if SDSU were to play Kentucky and Florida at their place and not have Mayville and Upper Iowa on the schedule instead, I wouldn't mind...but I'm not sure if that's the best way to go for our student athletes.
Either way, I don't know the answer, I'm just a guy addicted to what my wife affectionately calls, "rabbitporn" and like to think I know the answers!

Go Jacks!!

[SUPERBUNNY]

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Sorry if this is an ignorant question but haven't there been a couple of these games on the schedule each year that have been DII schools that are listed as exhibitions? Do exhibitions count against RPI?


My understanding is that each school was allowed two exhibitions and even redshirt players could play in these games and it wouldn't affect their status. Therefore, these games were used as a means to evaluate the players on the roster.
I tried to look back at the schedules for both last year and the upcoming season and see if they were listed as exhibition but they weren't up on gojacks.com.

Am I off my rocker on this? Wouldn't be the first time!

GO JACKS!!!

SUPERBUNNY

[filbert]

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I do agree that there seems like there should be enough Division I teams in the nation to get all D-1 opponents. And the fact that there are two Lower division teams on our Home OOC schedule is a surprise. But I think once the official schedules of our Summit League partner's come out, I would be surprised if any of them have a full slate of D-1 Home, OOC regular season games, besides maybe ORU.
This is part of being a Mid-Major and one with on RPI in the 300 ta boot. I definitely agree that anything NAIA that isn't an exibition should not be on our schedule and if SDSU is going to play a D-II team, I would like to see Northern, Augie or Winonia...I think they would be a good test, and games SDSU should win. If they don't, we'll then we know where our team is at.
But I still do think that from our A.Dept's view, I would bet that they have tried to get these area teams that I mentioned to come to Frost and have run into the old attitude..."just because you're D-1, we still want/deserve a home and home."

I too hate talking about D-2 teams on any of our schedules, but like I said, I think 1 or 2 home games a year against a lower level team is going to be the norm, unless we as fans are happy with one or two less OOC home games.
Honestly, if SDSU were to play Kentucky and Florida at their place and not have Mayville and Upper Iowa on the schedule instead, I wouldn't mind...but I'm not sure if that's the best way to go for our student athletes.
Either way, I don't know the answer, I'm just a guy addicted to what my wife affectionately calls, "rabbitporn" and like to think I know the answers!

Go Jacks!!

Rabbitporn should probably be an entry on the forum member names thread . . .

[filbert]

Re: 2008-2009 Non-Conference Schedule

Sorry if this is an ignorant question but haven't there been a couple of these games on the schedule each year that have been DII schools that are listed as exhibitions? Do exhibitions count against RPI?


My understanding is that each school was allowed two exhibitions and even redshirt players could play in these games and it wouldn't affect their status. Therefore, these games were used as a means to evaluate the players on the roster.
I tried to look back at the schedules for both last year and the upcoming season and see if they were listed as exhibition but they weren't up on gojacks.com.

Am I off my rocker on this? Wouldn't be the first time!

GO JACKS!!!

SUPERBUNNY

If I recall correctly, D-I schools are allowed to play two exhibitions against darn near anybody, and they don't count for w-l record, rpi, stats. They're officially practices, not games. I think SDSU's settled into a schedule of scrimmaging against SW Minnesota (and charging admission . . . aka an "exhibition").

I seem to recall that the NCAA Bylaws let D-I teams play up to four non-D-I colleges in regular season games. Most self-respecting conferences limit that further, as those games don't do you any good in the holy RPI.

I don't feel like going and looking it up, but that's what I remember from previous readings of the Bylaws.

[91jack]

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I thought the scrimmage against SW Minnesota was a closed door practice.
The last few years SDSU has played exhibition games against DWU, DSU, Mary and a couple others. I think you are allowed 2 exhibition games.

The last couple years NDSU has had more home OOC games but they played lower teams.

07-08- They played Bemidji St and Minnesota St. Moorhead in exhibition.
They had Colorado St., Mayville St., North Carolina Central and Minot State in the regular season. I don't know what NC Central is but they blew them out. That could be 3 games against lower teams.

06-07- They played Moorhead in an exhibition game again.
They played Furman, Wis GB, Kansas St., Idaho, SW Minnesota St., Mayville St, Valley City State and Mary. That was before they joined the conference last year. Those last 4 games weren't real tough.

SDSU played 2 exhibition games last year(I think). Mary or DWU played a zone the whole game. If I remember right, we didn't run a zone offense against them. We just passed the ball around the 3 point line and then jacked up a 3. We almost lost that scrimmage. I prefer calling exhibition games scrimmages because I don't think coach Nagy cares about them. He plays the whole team and doesn't run an offense.

[filbert]

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I thought the scrimmage against SW Minnesota was a closed door practice.
The last few years SDSU has played exhibition games against DWU, DSU, Mary and a couple others. I think you are allowed 2 exhibition games.

The last couple years NDSU has had more home OOC games but they played lower teams.

07-08- They played Bemidji St and Minnesota St. Moorhead in exhibition.
They had Colorado St., Mayville St., North Carolina Central and Minot State in the regular season. I don't know what NC Central is but they blew them out. That could be 3 games against lower teams.

06-07- They played Moorhead in an exhibition game again.
They played Furman, Wis GB, Kansas St., Idaho, SW Minnesota St., Mayville St, Valley City State and Mary. That was before they joined the conference last year. Those last 4 games weren't real tough.

SDSU played 2 exhibition games last year(I think). Mary or DWU played a zone the whole game. If I remember right, we didn't run a zone offense against them. We just passed the ball around the 3 point line and then jacked up a 3. We almost lost that scrimmage. I prefer calling exhibition games scrimmages because I don't think coach Nagy cares about them. He plays the whole team and doesn't run an offense.

Thanks for the info . . . and I very much agree that Nagy treats them very much like practices and really doesn't care about the score. (This is of course hard on the common fan's mental wellbeing.)

[jackmd]

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Thanks for the info . . . and I very much agree that Nagy treats them very much like practices and really doesn't care about the score. (This is of course hard on the common fan's mental wellbeing.)

Especially when the team then loses close games against fairly equally talented teams time and time again. Often due to what appears to be a lack of firm understanding of the offensive and defensive expectation of the coaches. I think Nagy has rethought is approach to those early season scrimmages. I know we have young players and its the transition and all of that. I'm excited about upcoming season. I think we are going to see a different look from the coaches and the players, both on and off the court.

[thebluehatman]

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Schedule has been posted:
http://www.gojacks.com/pdf5/134630.p...B_OEM_ID=15000

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