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And best of luck to ORU in the NCAA tournament. Personally I hope they don't get knocked off in the conference tournament as I feel they are the Summit League's best chance of grabbing a couple of wins in the tournament. ESPN.com is saying ORU has no shot of getting an at large bid if they don't happen to win the conference tournament. Currently they have no wins against a top-100 RPI team. So best of luck to them and their guard/leading scoring becoming healthy for a post season run.
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Originally posted by jackmd View PostWins are the most tangible way to measure progress. We all know about the intangibles as they relate to our players and coaches. No argument about those. However, true progress is defined by success which means at least competing every night. We had no chance in the game last night. The final point spread is irrelevant, thats a cold hard fact...but the most important factor really pertains to potential recruits. Do they see a viable, competitive program in the near future? Do the recruits we need to succeed believe that it can happen here? Again, I'm confident it can but that doesn't really matter.
I don't care how you cut it, but IMHO we have made progress that hasn't translated to wins...but has laid the foundation. As for recruits, we already have our fall recruits (for better or worse) and our 2009 fall recruits (for better or worse) so our next target is 2010.
I REALLY take exception to an earlier poster who said we have no D-I players. We have had (and continue to have) D-I players, vis-a-vis Steve Holdren, now playing for Illinois, Andre Gilbert for Kansas State, and current players Ben Beran (who scored 26 points against Kentucky on the road, before his personal problems interfered), Kai Williams and Garret Callahan (I'm not including the freshmen because they need another year to prove themselves).
Finally, I agree with Filbert that being there it didn't seem as bad (uncomfortable maybe) as some posts put it. We started off horribly, but so did ORU (who by the way are 16-1 in the league so nobody else seems to be matching them either). Starting four seniors and one junior, they managed to right their ship a lot faster than we did. They started well in the second half also, but we still outscored them 39-33 and it wasn't just because they put in reserves...because they didn't. With four minutes to go, they still had three senior starters and two juniors on the floor. Their lone sophomore played for about a minute at the end, and we never saw the two freshmen on their team (the rest are juniors and seniors). OK, enough. I apologize for the long post. I feel better for posting. Good luck to ORU, sharing or winning outright the last four Summit regular season championships, and a two-time NCAA playoff team.
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Originally posted by Jacks#1Fan View PostI believe SDSU made a committment to its coaches, who were willing to stay on and be positive about the change (instead of the mice jumping ship like an institution to our south), that they would be supported through that transition (and I have to believe that anybody who knows anything about the transition doesn't understand that men's basketball is the hardest transition of all). Unless a number of players flee the ship, I can't see that any questions need to be asked until the end of the next season.
I have a few more points I would like to make later on this thread, but have to leave it at that for now.
SDSU operates perhaps in a different way than some D1 schools. We value loyalty and character in our coaches and reward it with patience. I can't imagine tossing aside a proven coach who has earned our respect and patience for some unknown quantity with only a promise of success. And I really can't imagine it happening when we're making progress.
I say give Coach Nagy a chance to build us a competitive program.
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Originally posted by filbert View PostI'm willing to let the Jacks work hard over the off-season, then come back next year and see what happens when Nagy can finally start a team on the court with more upper-classmen than freshmen and sophomores. Maybe we can figure out a way to get Nagy his third assistant coach, too.
Some people are starting to push the panic button and it is a little early for that. I think this program hit bottom last year and that as long as they continue to make progress you have to continue with the current staff. As I have stated before, this is a young team and young teams are in consistent. The first 12 minutes of last nights game was another example of this inconsistency. Last year we would have lost that game by 30 or more (think of the Kent State game).
You really can't judge the coaching staff or the players this year the same as you could a few years ago. Nagy does not want to start 2 Freshmen and 2 Sophmores, but he has no choice. That is the situation we are in and we have to live with it. Nobody else in the league is only starting one upperclassmen. We are also short one assistant coach. Don't know the status on this but would be a big help in getting the players ready.
You can also look at NDSU. Many believed they would win 20 games and have a shot at the NIT. Assuming they lose to ORU tomorrow night, they will be a .500 team. We as fans are sometimes overly optimistic at the beginning to the year. Playing the season can bring us all back to reality.
I'm still positive about the direction the program is heading. Some people need to be more patient. I do expect a good game for this team on Saturday. This is senior night and they are playing for 9th place in the league. SDSU played Cent. very tough on the road at the beginning of the season and I think we come out with a victory.
Go State!!!
Go Jacks!!!
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Originally posted by filbert View PostAnd the rumor I've heard is that Nagy has two more years (after this one) to get the ship righted.
Rumors are usually worth what you paid for them, however.
I suspect that everybody involved in the program has a pretty good idea what they need to do in the off season to improve--coaches, players, everyone.
I'm looking forward to seeing the guys go out with a win vs. Centenary, and then looking forward to seeing a much improved team next year.
I agree with Jacks#1Fan that if we're staring at 20 losses again this time next year, then we need to take a hard, long, clear-eyed look at the men's basketball program.
I'm willing to let the Jacks work hard over the off-season, then come back next year and see what happens when Nagy can finally start a team on the court with more upper-classmen than freshmen and sophomores. Maybe we can figure out a way to get Nagy his third assistant coach, too.
We have seen some progress this year, I think, although that progress hasn't translated into wins.
I'm not saying we don't have a chance to be better next year than this, I'm optimistic that we will be, but we will still be awfully young once again. If we can keep everyone together, 2009-2010 could be a fun season though!
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Originally posted by filbert View PostWe have seen some progress this year, I think, although that progress hasn't translated into wins.
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Here is Terry's article about the game.
SDSU men fail to shake shooting woes
Jackrabbits turn in poor performance against Summit League champion
By Terry Vandrovec
tvandrovec@argusleader.com
PUBLISHED: February 29, 2008
BROOKINGS - Thursday was proof that things can indeed get worse.
South Dakota State followed up its poorest shooting performance of the season by going 3 of 29 from the field in the first half against Oral Roberts at Frost Arena. The scoreboard read 67-52, but the game between the last-place team in the Summit League and the outright champion wasn't nearly that close
Just how incredibly inept were the Jackrabbits over the first 20 minutes? Well, Scott Sutton has been at Oral Roberts for nine years, brother, Sean, is the head coach at Oklahoma State and dad, Eddie, has won more than 800 career games, and he couldn't recall witnessing anything like it.
"And we got great shots," SDSU coach Scott Nagy said. "Just got to put the ball in the basket."
The Jackrabbits (8-20, 3-14) were scoreless until freshmen Dale Moss made two free throws 8 minutes, 42 seconds into the first half. They didn't convert a field goal until 6-foot-11 Mark Engen hit a 3-pointer at the 10:56 mark, ending an 0-for-15 start from the floor.
Freshman Clint Sargent followed with a jumper on the next possession and, incredibly, SDSU was within 13-7. However, the Jacks would not physically put the ball through the basket from the field again in the half as its only other "make" came on a goaltending call.
(read more)
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And the rumor I've heard is that Nagy has two more years (after this one) to get the ship righted.
Rumors are usually worth what you paid for them, however.
I suspect that everybody involved in the program has a pretty good idea what they need to do in the off season to improve--coaches, players, everyone.
I'm looking forward to seeing the guys go out with a win vs. Centenary, and then looking forward to seeing a much improved team next year.
I agree with Jacks#1Fan that if we're staring at 20 losses again this time next year, then we need to take a hard, long, clear-eyed look at the men's basketball program.
I'm willing to let the Jacks work hard over the off-season, then come back next year and see what happens when Nagy can finally start a team on the court with more upper-classmen than freshmen and sophomores. Maybe we can figure out a way to get Nagy his third assistant coach, too.
We have seen some progress this year, I think, although that progress hasn't translated into wins.
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Originally posted by Jacks#1Fan View PostI believe SDSU made a committment to its coaches, who were willing to stay on and be positive about the change (instead of the mice jumping ship like an institution to our south), that they would be supported through that transition. Unless a number of players flee the ship, I can't see that any questions need to be asked until the end of the next season.
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Originally posted by Jacks-D1 View PostWhether the Nagy rumor is true or not, just looking at the win-loss record over the last several years means serious questions have to be asked about whether or not a change in coaching needs to be made.
I have a few more points I would like to make later on this thread, but have to leave it at that for now.
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Whether the Nagy rumor is true or not, just looking at the win-loss record over the last several years means serious questions have to be asked about whether or not a change in coaching needs to be made.
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Those are two interesting posts.
To "just in the crowd" - I'm assuming you are sitting with that section of students who don't even have enough pride to stand up during the school song that I witness EVERY home game? To me that's not even d-2, that's high-school level.
The Nagy rumor - not sure where you got that one. He'd leave on his own long b4 anyone decided it's time to "get rid of him".
It's easy to quit on people when things are tough....Loser's do that. Are you a "loser" "Just in the Crowd"?? Think about it.
Go Jacks!!
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Don't bother starting this discussion because whatever you are hearing is simply not true.
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whats all the rumers about Nagy not being around next year? Does anybody know anything about that.
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95% of the students I sat with believe we are still Division 2 and will be Division 2 for a long, long time. We don't have any Division 1 players.
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