Dakota Wesleyan Game Thread

[joeboo22]

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DWU could probally beat Bemiji State so I wouldn't use that as an example..... The way it sounded to me was like the bigs couldn't handle the fact that they were actually bigger then the people defending them, some of that is nerves some is refs, some of it is it is hard to play physical when they are 5 inches shorter then you and also you have to remember that DWU is a small team they are use to taking charges they will probally play zone almost all the time this year so they are use to there defense they have had practices longer and play great TEAM....

[valleyrabbit]

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Are we comparing scores in exhibition? Let's all meet at the campanile tonight and jump off of the top because our men's basketball team in going to go 0-30 this year. This was equivalent to a practice. The Jacks did not prepare for DWU. They played everyone. Had we played our normal rotation we would have won by 30.

[jackmd]

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Someone needs to bring a perspective other than thing look like they will be better this year. I'll be that guy for now. Things can't be worse or we have even bigger problems than I imagined.

I listened to the game on WNAX and Imming was a bit perplexed about our lack of defensive intensity and the inability to get easy shots against their defense given our size advantage. FT shooting was horrible. Refs were a little early to the whistle. I'll ask him his opinion face-to-face when we meet Monday. I'm sure he will be real but positive, he always is which is great.

I'm not concerned about offending others when I'm critical about the performance of the team. Call me fanatic, call me obsessed, call me a jerk. I want nothing more than to see this team compete at the level they were expected to. If a 6 point win over DWU is where expectations are, I guess I haven't made the adjustment some others have.

I think Terry V. shared many of my sentiments, read his blog or ask him specifically about what he saw. Of course, I can't speak for him and I may be out of line. Stig and last years FB team helped me put my big foot in my even bigger mouth after the debacle that won't be directly referenced. I hope Nagy and his team do the same this year.

I don't see any harm in calling them out for a less then stellar performance last night. I'll say it again, I don't need to hear excuses. I understand what the game was about last night. We should have won by 20, going away or coming back, regardless of the game plan. Thats how I see it and thats what I expected. Onward an upward as they say.

[ViciousCircle]

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I think some of the comments are a bit harsh.

I was at the game, and did not think they looked too bad at all.

Some people are failing to realize that at times we had four subs in with only Callahan (who was struggling mightily) on the floor for 4-5 minute stretches. That is not a knock on Callahan at all, he did some nice things, some good passes throughout the game.

When the Starting five, or Pallarca at the 1 with Sargent, Kai, Berte and Beran put together stretches the team looked good. I think the Jacks had a chance to bury them in the first half if it had not been for the subbing. But, you can't fault Nagy for subbing so much, it is an exhibition and this is the time to get a feel for how people are going to react in a game situation.

As for SDSU not being physical enough. I don't think it is possible to judge that with the way the game was officiated. It was definitely officiated more like a lower level GPAC game than a D1 game. A lot of ticky tack fouls, that you would normally see let go. Playing physical was not an option for either team. Several players talked about the game being much less physical than they are taught to play in practice because of the foul situations.

Overall, I think they showed some things they can build on. I think peopel need to remember they are going to be starting either 2 freshman at the guard position or one soph and one freshman. Then throw in an experienced 3 man that is only a soph. We are bound to go through some growing pains at the beginning of the year with that youth seeing so many minutes. I have posted it before, I think we can expect some struggles at the beginning, but by the end of the year this team will look night and day different because of the youth being forced to grow up.

Defensively, I thought Pallarca and Sargent played very well. The posts seemed to struggle with the quickness of DW smaller players. The middle of the lane was wide open, because all of their players stepped out to shoot three's.

[jackmd]

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Are we comparing scores in exhibition? Let's all meet at the campanile tonight and jump off of the top because our men's basketball team in going to go 0-30 this year. This was equivalent to a practice. The Jacks did not prepare for DWU. They played everyone. Had we played our normal rotation we would have won by 30.

Thats what we have to compare right now. We could compare the last couple of seasons but I think we all agree that we should leave the difficulties related to the transition thus far behind.

I'm talking about this game because this is where we are right now. We just barely got by DWU in an exhibition game. Believe what you want but the casual college BB fan at HyVee and Subway are certain that USD has a much better men's program than SDSU right now, I just overheard them talking about it. Did I volunteer my opinion? Could I argue strongly otherwise? Would I have facts to support that argument?

I guess we will see, at least indirectly.

[HoboD]

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Im going to be positive and accept the Coaches approach to how he handled the game with two exceptions:
1. The score and winning IS important for ANY game and especially a home game. Winning is a marketing tool. It builds enthusiasm for the product which in this case is ticket sales for the rest of the season and I would think to some extent for recruiting.
2. If you are really not concerned about the final score, THEN DONT SCHEDULE EXHIBITIONS AGAINST IN STATE SCHOOLS! Bring in schools from out of state so that if we do lose it isnt perceived as a big deal.

[jackmd]

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Overall, I think they showed some things they can build on. I think peopel need to remember they are going to be starting either 2 freshman at the guard position or one soph and one freshman. Then throw in an experienced 3 man that is only a soph. We are bound to go through some growing pains at the beginning of the year with that youth seeing so many minutes. I have posted it before, I think we can expect some struggles at the beginning, but by the end of the year this team will look night and day different because of the youth being forced to grow up.

Excellent insight and I agree in full. I just thought we could walk over a DWU team regardless. I've played a lot of ball with guys I'm not familiar with and its definitely harder than playing with an experienced team. I don't need any convincing from anyone who posts on this board or otherwise, the team will be playing games that count soon enough. In the meantime I'll remained concerned. Maybe I'm the only guy who is concerned, that seems unlikely though.

Next game, Monday the 12th U of Mary at Frost. This one counts.

[JackrabbitGuy]

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While I would certainly concur that more court time will be necessary to make a judgement on the abilities of this team, I was concerned as anyone when I tuned in to find it such a close ballgame. I didn't even hear about the early lead by the Jacks until I read Terry's game blog, so you can imagine that I was very surprised and concerned.

For now I'm willing to chaulk it up to playing everyone, knocking the rust off, playing in a glorified scrimmmage setting in front of a small crowd. Talk to me in January and we'll see how we all feel then.

-JackrabbitGuy

[jackmd]

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While I would certainly concur that more court time will be necessary to make a judgement on the abilities of this team, I was concerned as anyone when I tuned in to find it such a close ballgame. I didn't even hear about the early lead by the Jacks until I read Terry's game blog, so you can imagine that I was very surprised and concerned.

For now I'm willing to chaulk it up to playing everyone, knocking the rust off, playing in a glorified scrimmmage setting in front of a small crowd. Talk to me in January and we'll see how we all feel then.

-JackrabbitGuy

Succinct, honest, I like it.

[JimmyJack]

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The men ran one set play last night. One. And that play resulted in a bucket. The rest was just pass it around until somebody's open.

[1stRowFANatic]

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Doc,
I would probably be out in front of you if this had been a regular season game. Then we could throw in a bunch of things about why in he** was the substition patterns the way the were, etc. But this was an exhibition. If the next game resembles this, then it is a different story. That being said, I expect the Jacks team in the last game of the season would blow away the team that plays the U of Mary.

[joeboo22]

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If SDSU wanted to win big they could of ran a set play every time down the court play zone and attack but whats the use of that? SDSU will see very few teams that are as perimeter oriented as DWU.... I was happy on how SDSU finished the game the intensity got there at the end... The things I was unhappy about was the fact that the post had way too many turnovers, they didn't play physical enough except for Beran towards the end and they settled to often for jump shots given that yes that is part of there game but you are playing into an undersized teams strength when your post are shooting 8-12 foot jumpers. Freethrows were awful given that yes this was the first career game for many and the first game in a while for the rest that there were nerves but still.... A team should be able to shoot 70% from the charity stripe so I see room for improvement.

[SDHoops]

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If SDSU wanted to win big they could of ran a set play every time down the court play zone and attack but whats the use of that? SDSU will see very few teams that are as perimeter oriented as DWU.... I was happy on how SDSU finished the game the intensity got there at the end... The things I was unhappy about was the fact that the post had way too many turnovers, they didn't play physical enough except for Beran towards the end and they settled to often for jump shots given that yes that is part of there game but you are playing into an undersized teams strength when your post are shooting 8-12 foot jumpers. Freethrows were awful given that yes this was the first career game for many and the first game in a while for the rest that there were nerves but still.... A team should be able to shoot 70% from the charity stripe so I see room for improvement.

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[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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If SDSU wanted to win big they could of ran a set play every time down the court play zone and attack but whats the use of that? SDSU will see very few teams that are as perimeter oriented as DWU.... I was happy on how SDSU finished the game the intensity got there at the end... The things I was unhappy about was the fact that the post had way too many turnovers, they didn't play physical enough except for Beran towards the end and they settled to often for jump shots given that yes that is part of there game but you are playing into an undersized teams strength when your post are shooting 8-12 foot jumpers. Freethrows were awful given that yes this was the first career game for many and the first game in a while for the rest that there were nerves but still.... A team should be able to shoot 70% from the charity stripe so I see room for improvement.

Just to clarify, were you at the game? I'm not calling you out or anything, but from what you wrote about our inside play, it sounds like you were there. If you were there, what about the play inside was not physical? I think that's been a sore spot for the Jacks for the last 4 years and am intersted in what you saw - or anyone saw - with our play down low last night. Most people felt that with Beran and Berte back, this should be an area of improvement for the Jacks.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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One other thing. Was the lack of inside game due to the zone we were facing (that's the point of a zone) or due to our big guys inability? Anyone want to chime in?