Dakota Wesleyan Game Thread

[2002jack]

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Report from the Game. Sorry I'm not much of an analyst.

The team looked pretty sloppy. I was impressed by Seargent, not only his play, but his on court prescence and leadership. Palarca has quick hands, and had some impressive steals. He needs to avoid making bad passes. Moss made some atheltic plays as well.

The zone and the refs shut down our inside game. Beran had them out matched physically, but was not allowed to make any plays because the refs would call a charge. It's not his fault the defenders were physically mismatched. It was piss poor reffing.

Kai looks good again. When we run set plays, I expect most of them to be directed at setting him up to score. No plays were called tonight.

We need to make free throws.

Outside of Sargeant are three point shooting was awful as well.

I don't believe Cassidy or McKenzie got any playing time. I would expect these two are redshirting.

[JackJD]

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Who might have to have surgery on his ankle? I missed it....caught the tail end coming out of little boys room.

Edit: nevermind, I see in JackJD's post it's Berte's knee.

Nagy added that the docs cleared Berte to play...said he wouldn't make it worse. Sounds like a torn or rough cartiledge that can be cleaned up with scope surgery so that he'll be back in a few weeks. (Had my knee scoped a few years ago and four days later pedaled my bike on a pretty intense 26 miler -- that's not basketball but depending on what is done, the recovery time for some knee surgery is relatively short and sometimes the knee is better than new.)

[collegewatcher]

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Amen md! Dakota Wesleyan is NOT a "great NAIA team"! Their "All American" from last year was a transfer from USD, and he graduated. They have no big man at all! They played a zone, and nutrualized our big guys? Their tallest guy was 6'5"! I was looking at their roster, and they have a couple of kids that made first team all state in class B and A. One kid on that entire roster was recruited by SDSU, and that was Fitzgerald. And I am not sure how serious we were about him! DWU will be happy to finish at .500 in their conference!

I take back everything I have said the last few days about TV. We are NOT ready for prime time! And I think our rating would be TV-14, because we sure as heck don't want kids watching this!

[joeboo22]

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Amen md! Dakota Wesleyan is NOT a "great NAIA team"! Their "All American" from last year was a transfer from USD, and he graduated. They have no big man at all! They played a zone, and nutrualized our big guys? Their tallest guy was 6'5"! I was looking at their roster, and they have a couple of kids that made first team all state in class B and A. One kid on that entire roster was recruited by SDSU, and that was Fitzgerald. And I am not sure how serious we were about him! DWU will be happy to finish at .500 in their conference!

I take back everything I have said the last few days about TV. We are NOT ready for prime time! And I think our rating would be TV-14, because we sure as heck don't want kids watching this!

DWU will finish top 3 in there conference they are that good of a perimitor team.... The problem with SDSU was mistakes they made a lot of them they had too many offensive fouls and didn't shoot great at all.... Cassady sat out with a bad ankle.... Nagy said Casey will most likely redshirt and expect 1 or 2 of the freshman... personally I would redshirt Moss because I think he could become a Rashad McCants like player that can shoot from the arch or take the mis match down low. Tough to judge though because they didn't run any set plays and they didn't play physical enough.... Pre-season games show whats wrong with a club and thats what it did tonight.

[bballfan54]

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Does anyone know what the attendance of the game was ?

Glad they won.

[JackJD]

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I thought I saw the attendance was just under 1900. It's a win. The coach was clearly experimenting and wasn't trying to impress anyone. We saw some problem areas and so they can further refine practices.

Here's the link to the story about the game in the Argus Leader:

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs...68/1002/SPORTS

Link to the story of GoJacks.com:
http://www.gojacks.com/ViewArticle.d...ATCLID=1300107

[Jacks#1Fan]

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I'm thinking a 30 point win and we barely pull it off, that makes me wonder. I'm just saying you gotta ask for more than what we got tonight. I don't need reminders about the status of the game or excuses about the results, I just expected a blowout plain and simple. Clearly that wasn't the case. I'll say it again, I didn't have great expectations for this team and tonight they didn't meet even those. I'm concerned.

A little early for the "sky is falling" IMHO. Think: Michigan vs Appalachian State; DWU vs SDSU four or five years ago when they came over and beat us; SDSU football vs. Wisc-LaCross last year, etc. No excuses, just facts: We have a team with lots of new faces (six who played last night and didn't play with this team last year). The October date was the earliest I have ever seen SDSU basketball, which mean the coaches had two weeks of practice to try and sort this all out (NAIA doesn't have the same conditions on starting practice). The zone was very effective and Nagy pointed out that they had zero practices against a zone as they concentrated on what we do.

Yes, you have to learn to deal with the refereeing, but the refs called 16 fouls on DWU in the first half as DWU tried to deal with our physicality, and there was a clear shift late in the half by the refs to start calling them on us as if to equalize things and tone down the physical nature of our team (which will be what we need when we play a lot of teams this year -- and what was lacking last year). In the second half, they called FIVE fouls on DWU (until the last two intentional fouls by DWU as they trailed). The zone and the calls definitely evened things up.

Coaches wanted to see who played well, and with whom, so they did a lot of different lineups. When crunch time came, the team stepped it up and won the game. At the end we were playing three true freshmen and two true sophomores on the floor and looking good. Was I happy with the game...heck no...were the players happy (heck no!)

[collegewatcher]

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Blame new faces, officiating, zone defense or whatever you wish! DWU had ONE player that saw time with them last year. Nelson and Muoneke are juco transfers, Fitzgerald came from the U, and Walder and Weibe are true freshmen. The leading returning scorer and rebounder for DWU, Preston Broughton from Corsica, sat out because of a sore back.

DWU shot 25% from the 3 point line. SDSU actually outscored DWU at the line, 14 to 13. Yes, DWU shot a better percentage - a whopping 65%. SDSU took 40 free throws compared to 30 by DWU and the refs somehow held us back? We played a lot of zone last year. How did that work out? We were 6 -24.

The sky is not falling, but if SDSU is anything but embarrassed with the result, then I can not believe how far our standards have dropped.

[BTownJack]

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I'll give my two cents on the game as I saw it first hand. The first 8 minutes of the game we looked like a totally different ball club than I've seen the last 3-4 years. We had a swagger and spark to us on both ends of the floor that we just haven't seen in the past. Kia obviously came ready to play and racked up quick 8 points and then got taken out because that was Nagy's intention from the start - to see a lot of guys in different situations.

After we got up 30-13, DWU came back and starting lighting it up from everywhere. You have to give them credit for that and they played with a higher level of intensity than we did until the last couple minutes of the game.

What I was most disappointed with was our lack of effort on the defensive side of the ball the 2nd half. At times we found ourselves standing around a lot and giving up way to many easy buckets from all areas of the floor. A team like DWU should not have as many open looks from 3-pt land!!! I felt this lack of effort spilled into the offensive side as well as we seemed content to just pass the ball along the perimeter looking at DWU's zone. Nagy can say their zone neutralized our offense but when you don't try to attack the zone the fundamentals of basketball state you won't do much.

I'm going to remain optimistic and focus on the first 8 minutes of the game. Although I now our team's MO in the past is just that. Play well for portions of a game which obviously haven't gotten the job done in the past. Also, I realize we are still a very young team and until we can learn how to retain players on our roster then we are always going to be a young team. Physically we look way better than we have for years. Let's hope this group of young men can stick together and show us continuing improvement. That is all I want to see throughout this year and next. With that, I feel things will take care of themselves.

[Jacks-D1]

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Didn't like to hear that Berte might have a knee injury. We need his experience and height. Hope the injury bug doesn't hit the Jacks again this year.

[1stRowFANatic]

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My take on this game is that Nagy went into in much the same fashion as NFL coaches take to exhibition games; "Let's see what you can do in these situations." Often it is to see how the players will handle doing things that you know aren't their strengths, because at some point in the year you need to see how they can do those things. So, when my pathetic 49ers have a great pre-season, I know it means nothing once the regular season comes around. When the 49ers were one of the best teams, they often had poor pre-season records. I may be looking at this game overly optimistic, but it still was pre-season/exhibition.

[jackmd]

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Here is what I am hearing. We barely beat an NAIA DII team but we learned alot about our team. What did we learn?

NDSU won by 30 over a NCAA DII team. Does that mean they didn't learn as much about their team and just went out and kicked a lesser teams butt?

I'm not buying it. This was a poor performance and better not be reflective of the problems that seemed apparent for the last 30 minutes of the game. You can't come out and play 10 intense minutes and call it a game. I'm getting tired on Coach Nagy's comments about not worrying about scores and who wins the game. What really is the point of trying to improve? I would say the purpose is to help you "win the game!!!!!"

I don't need anyone to tell me the sky isn't falling. It fell already. We need to rebuild the roof on the house that collapsed when it did. Last night wasn't much of a foundation builder. Sorry for the cliches.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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My thoughts on the game are similar to Btownjack's. We came out and looked great for the first 10 minutes of the game and then went flat. His comments were on the mark.

It was puzzling to me how we struggled to get the ball inside against a team that was much smaller. It was an exhibition so I'll take it for what it's worth. They may have been focused on other things in their game plan. They did turn up the intensity at the end and came out on top but not to sugarcoat things, that is a team that we need to blow out! Nagy played a ton of guys (16 were dressed and I think 13 played) which is what he said he would do going in to the game to figure out where everyone will fit.

Also, I did see a number of things to be positive about. Here they are:

1. Kai Williams looked awesome at times. You can tell he has improved a lot is going to be an absolute force. Just a smooth looking player that has a lot of tools. He was hot early which had everyone pumped up. He went flat for a while until late in the game. Defensively it wasn't his best but everything will improve. Going to be fun to watch him for 3 more seasons. The dunk he had was just sick!

2. Ben Beran had a quiet 16 points but looked good to me. It is great to have him back on the court. He will be a consistent player this year. Would have loved to see the ball get to him inside more, he could have scored a bunch.

3. Clint Sargent played a great game. He is going to be a great player for SDSU. Good size for a guard and a very quick shot from the outsife and a great stroke! You wouldn't have known he was a freshman!

4. Dale Moss is a great athlete. He is going to be fun to watch. When he gets more comfortable in the system, he is going to be a great player.

5. Michael Pallarca provided a nice spark at times. This kid has serious wheels! He will be fun to watch in the open court.

6. OVERALL ATHLETICISM. This team is completely different than the teams over the last few years. The returning players have all put on some muscle and the new additions are all extremely athletic. This team is bigger, stronger, faster, and deeper.

Those things all being said, you'd have thought we won by 30. The defensive effort wasn't there last night. That will change. The hallmark of Nagy's teams has always been defensive effort and I have no doubt he will get that effort out of this team.

These guys just need time playing together to become a cohesive team. Beran and Berte bring some experience back to the team but it is important to remember that they haven't been on the court for a while. I believe even more that this team is going to suprise some people.

Many will no doubt look at the result last night as a negative but I hope they keep an open mind.

Sorry for the length but hopefully some will find this helpful.

SUPERBUNNY

[SUPERBUNNY]

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Here is what I am hearing. We barely beat an NAIA DII team but we learned alot about our team. What did we learn?

NDSU won by 30 over a NCAA DII team. Does that mean they didn't learn as much about their team and just went out and kicked a lesser teams butt?

I'm not buying it. This was a poor performance and better not be reflective of the problems that seemed apparent for the last 30 minutes of the game. You can't come out and play 10 intense minutes and call it a game. I'm getting tired on Coach Nagy's comments about not worrying about scores and who wins the game. What really is the point of trying to improve? I would say the purpose is to help you "win the game!!!!!"

I don't need anyone to tell me the sky isn't falling. It fell already. We need to rebuild the roof on the house that collapsed when it did. Last night wasn't much of a foundation builder. Sorry for the cliches.

Jeez, Jackmd, you are certainly entitled to your opinion but your comments might be a bit harsh. I saw this salvo was fired when I was typing my thoughts on the game. Where you even at the game or listen to it on the radio?

On paper, the result was horrible but it wasn't like the starting five all saw 30 minutes of time. If all you did was pick up a paper this morning, the natural reaction would be to say it's going to be a rough year again. That is why I posted my summary. The game wasn't what it appeared at face value.

Maybe others can chime in on what they saw. What did Imming say on the radio?

After the last few years, Nagy needs to turn the corner. I'm sure he feels that.

For now, I'll look at the glass as half full. You look like you need a refill!

SUPERBUNNY

[Cadsev]

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My take....first off the attitude of the team was this is an exhibition and thats the effort we are going to give. There were some bright moments but they should have pounded DWU by 20+. Hats off to DWU for competing the entire game. Last years SD HS leading scorer (Chase Walder) looked comfortable as ever scoring 16+ points in his first collegiate game.

Ok some SDSU points:

1.) Kai Williams can lead and carry this team, however he needs to strap it on all the time and not give a subpar performance. The kid has talent, but he couldn't have guarded me last night and I suck. It just looked to me like he was going to give enough for the team to win and I'll attribute that to only being a Sophomore. Accept your leadership status and bring it every night every game if you want success for your team.

2.) Clint Sargent competed and played a solid game. He hit some much needed big shots and provided the only consistency from the perimeter. Still it will affect his scoring if he has to play the 1 against good teams. He may not get the ball back.

3.) The fresheman, Moss, Cordova and Parcala looked good at times but who knows who is redshirting or playing. Obviously Cordova will play and my guess is that Parcala will as well. Moss most likely redshirts which is ok since they are playing for nothing.

Overall, too many substitutions for anyone to get into a flow. The officiating was God awful. The three guys forgot that people were there to see the athletes not them. 45+ fouls in a game that was far from physical was ridiculous. No flow ever to the game, every trip up the floor a foul called. This helped DWU keep it close even if the fouls were 7-2 against them in the first half. It disrupted the flow of the game. Those three officials should be back at the HS level. The substitutions were done for a reason and I can't imagine that happens in the regular season. The exhibition tag is like an organized scrimmage, yes it matters to some extent but I don't see it as a big deal so much. Play that way during a real game then you have issues.

Key stats of the game.......way too many missed free throws. I'm guessing there are many being shot today.