Dakota Wesleyan Game Thread

[Cadsev]

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I just checked the SDSU record for 2007-08 Season to date....... 0 Wins & 0 Losses.

[WestSideRabbit]

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Kind of related. I saw over the weekend #5 Michigan state was beat by Grandvalley State in an exhibition game. Tom Izzo is a very good coach and it sounds like he deployed the same strategy as Nagy. Just let the players play with no set plays and his decision backfired even worse. I know everyone has been very critical on the team after the near loss, but remember it is just exhibition and we are a very very very young team.

[JimmyJack]

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Actually most high major DI's have the video coordinator position on staff now. It's just been a necessity the past 7 or so years with all the new methods and means to obtaining film other than the old exchange methods.

AJ mentioned to me last year that they record as many televised games as possible within the limitations of their technology. Of course it makes more sense for the women since they more often play top-notch opponents who would frequently appear on TV.

[Cadsev]

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To add just a smidge to this, many programs use their schools' satellite technology to tape every game possible for a library. Michigan State has one person designated to coordinate this and tape every game that's available on broadcast TV. So it's not just exchanging tapes anymore.

Actually most high major DI's have the video coordinator position on staff now. It's just been a necessity the past 7 or so years with all the new methods and means to obtaining film other than the old exchange methods.

[sfsd]

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NCAA DI College Hoops they aren't sending coaches out to scout opponents...um thats a violation. Film exchange doesn't happen typically between opponents in conference. Typically it's done outside of conference with a team they played. At the high major level they simply have to flip on the TV. It's not like SDSU is calling NDSU for their game tape. Sorry but that's not happening. This isn't HS hoops. Oh and by the way I can't think of any DI college basketball team that doesn't prepare a scout for each game. Typically each assistant coach rotates the scout for the opposing team on a given game. Just look at which assistant coach is standing up barking instructions and you can easily figure out who has the scout for that game. Some schools do assign that to one coach but typically it is rotated. Nebraska played Nebraska Wesleyan the other day....they call USF a few weeks ago for a tape...conference rule prohibited USF from sending a tape. Don't think for a second that DWU won't get calls for the game tape from the other night.

To add just a smidge to this, many programs use their schools' satellite technology to tape every game possible for a library. Michigan State has one person designated to coordinate this and tape every game that's available on broadcast TV. So it's not just exchanging tapes anymore.

[Cadsev]

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Nagy sounds a little superstitious if he didn't want to use any plays because of other people getting a sneak peak at what SDSU brings to the table. In the NCAA there's something called the film exchange, does SDSU do that? Some teams scout until there's nothing left to scout and still lose. Some teams don't scout at all and pummel a team, so I don't know it sounds like a sorry excuse to me. DWU came to play and to win, I think they deserve some credit. I once saw Pierre struggle with Pine Ridge in a jamboree a few years back, that's AA vs. A. The biggest thing I can think of is leadership, SDSU is still young as far as academic class goes and DWU has a lot of poised players. This is the first time I commented on this so sorry if it seems late but I'm not trying to carry the thread on, just give my two cents. and Joeboe I will kick your butt if you try to nit pick with me. (not really)

NCAA DI College Hoops they aren't sending coaches out to scout opponents...um thats a violation. Film exchange doesn't happen typically between opponents in conference. Typically it's done outside of conference with a team they played. At the high major level they simply have to flip on the TV. It's not like SDSU is calling NDSU for their game tape. Sorry but that's not happening. This isn't HS hoops. Oh and by the way I can't think of any DI college basketball team that doesn't prepare a scout for each game. Typically each assistant coach rotates the scout for the opposing team on a given game. Just look at which assistant coach is standing up barking instructions and you can easily figure out who has the scout for that game. Some schools do assign that to one coach but typically it is rotated. Nebraska played Nebraska Wesleyan the other day....they call USF a few weeks ago for a tape...conference rule prohibited USF from sending a tape. Don't think for a second that DWU won't get calls for the game tape from the other night.

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Nagy sounds a little superstitious if he didn't want to use any plays because of other people getting a sneak peak at what SDSU brings to the table. In the NCAA there's something called the film exchange, does SDSU do that? Some teams scout until there's nothing left to scout and still lose. Some teams don't scout at all and pummel a team, so I don't know it sounds like a sorry excuse to me. DWU came to play and to win, I think they deserve some credit. I once saw Pierre struggle with Pine Ridge in a jamboree a few years back, that's AA vs. A. The biggest thing I can think of is leadership, SDSU is still young as far as academic class goes and DWU has a lot of poised players. This is the first time I commented on this so sorry if it seems late but I'm not trying to carry the thread on, just give my two cents. and Joeboe I will kick your butt if you try to nit pick with me. (not really)

I think Nagy has been learning on the go a little as far as Division I goes. He's been playing new teams all the time and has little time to scout them out where in earlier games he would know the kids already. That is not a knock on Nagy. But why not take this advantage when you have it to not help your opponents? Why show something when you don't have to?

Leadership should not be an issue with this team. Experience will be though. Our frosh and sophs excluding Kai could beat DWU on any regular night. And not to "nit pick" here, but comparing AA HS basketball with A HS basketball doesn't really compare to SDSU and DWU. SDSU is the better team. That's a fact. Does DWU deserve some credit? Probably a little. But you play this game seriously and SDSU beats them by 35. Like Cadsev said...lets' move on and quit worrying about it. The game was 5 days ago.

[SDHoops]

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Nagy sounds a little superstitious if he didn't want to use any plays because of other people getting a sneak peak at what SDSU brings to the table. In the NCAA there's something called the film exchange, does SDSU do that? Some teams scout until there's nothing left to scout and still lose. Some teams don't scout at all and pummel a team, so I don't know it sounds like a sorry excuse to me. DWU came to play and to win, I think they deserve some credit. I once saw Pierre struggle with Pine Ridge in a jamboree a few years back, that's AA vs. A. The biggest thing I can think of is leadership, SDSU is still young as far as academic class goes and DWU has a lot of poised players. This is the first time I commented on this so sorry if it seems late but I'm not trying to carry the thread on, just give my two cents. and Joeboe I will kick your butt if you try to nit pick with me. (not really)

[RowdyRabbit]

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OK two options.........

1. Piss pound the NAIA DII school and learn nothing about your team. Run all your sets and have DWU coaches send the tape out to all opponents who request the tape. Play your starters the entire game. Play zone for a better matchup or run man-to-man defense to work on something more valuable down the road. Win by a large margin and satisfy your alumni and booster base.

2. Run absolutely nothing, give the opponent nothing to send out because it's basically an organized scrimmage. Work all your athletes into the fold to see where they currently stand after two weeks of practice. Work on your defense and put your team into a situation they can learn from to help them down the road.

People, this was an exhibition game. When it counts the team will respond and the coaches will have them prepared. The game was five days ago, let it go. Enough already.

Yep. Rep worthy.

[Nidaros]

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Not even any need to contact DWU. Just go here and pony up $49.95 one time to see the entire conference for the season. It's archived.

http://www.thesummitleague.org/media...5319&CLIP_ID=0

There you go. Big reason not to show your sets, roster or anything else helpful. Rep points earned for providing the link.

[West-River_Jack]

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OK two options.........

1. Run all your sets and have DWU coaches send the tape out to all opponents who request the tape.

Not even any need to contact DWU. Just go here and pony up $49.95 one time to see the entire conference for the season. It's archived.

http://www.thesummitleague.org/media...5319&CLIP_ID=0

[Walrus]

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OK two options.........

1. Piss pound the NAIA DII school and learn nothing about your team. Run all your sets and have DWU coaches send the tape out to all opponents who request the tape. Play your starters the entire game. Play zone for a better matchup or run man-to-man defense to work on something more valuable down the road. Win by a large margin and satisfy your alumni and booster base.

2. Run absolutely nothing, give the opponent nothing to send out because it's basically an organized scrimmage. Work all your athletes into the fold to see where they currently stand after two weeks of practice. Work on your defense and put your team into a situation they can learn from to help them down the road.

People, this was an exhibition game. When it counts the team will respond and the coaches will have them prepared. The game was five days ago, let it go. Enough already.

I agree, time to move on. Rep points given.

[Cadsev]

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OK two options.........

1. Piss pound the NAIA DII school and learn nothing about your team. Run all your sets and have DWU coaches send the tape out to all opponents who request the tape. Play your starters the entire game. Play zone for a better matchup or run man-to-man defense to work on something more valuable down the road. Win by a large margin and satisfy your alumni and booster base.

2. Run absolutely nothing, give the opponent nothing to send out because it's basically an organized scrimmage. Work all your athletes into the fold to see where they currently stand after two weeks of practice. Work on your defense and put your team into a situation they can learn from to help them down the road.

People, this was an exhibition game. When it counts the team will respond and the coaches will have them prepared. The game was five days ago, let it go. Enough already.

[JimmyJack]

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Here is a question...

What is the point of having an exhibition game if you aren't going to practice any of your offensive sets? Isn't that the point of a game like this?

I'm sure there is some value in just putting the guys out in front of a crowd, getting accustomed to the game day routine, etc. Oh, and you can sell tickets.

See Cadsev's thread about the closed scrimmage with UND yesterday. That's where the real work gets done.

[EQguy]

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Here is a question...

What is the point of having an exhibition game if you aren't going to practice any of your offensive sets? Isn't that the point of a game like this?