Hendo headed to Drake?

[LetsGoRabbits]

Reading comprehension is certainly not a forte.

Not comparing Drake and UNLV … I’m making the point that TJ had to leave SDSU for UNLV to get to a P4 conference.

Drake may be nothing special but its conference is way closer to the P4 than the Summit. Its coaches have seen good success at Drake and beyond. Drake is NOT a lateral move, it is a step up and that is almost an unquestionable fact. If Drake is “nothing” then where does that leave SDSU?

always a good tactic to escalate to personal insults

i guess I can understand why you would think it, but I was not saying that you made an exact comparison or said Drake was better than UNLV. to your specific point that both coaches moved from SDSU to a NON P4 school. that is true and valid. it is also true and valid that in the world of college basketball as a whole Drake is not seen much differently than SDSU and neither of them have ANYTHING close to the history of UNLV

ok, yep their conference has a higher rating. what good is that if none of their teams can get an auto bid? what exactly is the value of a higher rated conference without NCAA bids? their recent coaches- one benefitted from his own son playing for him. another benefitted from bringing in most of a roster with him. I do believe Hendo is a good recruiter and a good coach and I expect he will do fine, but I dont know if he is gonna go to more tourneys or get rushed to a P4 job.

beyond that, I believe if Hendo gives an honest answer, in his view Drake is a better job opportunity. i think it is very safe to assume he is getting a raise, BUT a lot of the opportunity part is due to the fact that NIL has really had a negative impact on the Jacks MBB particularly and athletics as a whole. Drake is better positioned to deal with that basically completely because they really only have one program that is threatened by NIL

the Jacks have continued to succeed in the world of the portal and NIL, but it has to be a BIG pain in the neck (that said, i do believe that DJ is truly excited about that challenge). and to answer your question, for a lot of the world nothing special is exactly what the jacks are. it is pretty clear that our entire athletic program has done nothing but ascend since the move to D1 and I believe that was going to continue to incredible levels of success

the portal and NIL have made it difficult for the ascension to stay on the previous trajectory, but it has definitely not stopped

and the other part of his honest answer, I believe, would be that he is sad to move his family from both brookings and SDSU. hendo is a small town guy. he was a teacher and administrator. he is a fan of the entire school experience. being part of Drake will not be remotely as enjoyable for his kids and family as being part of SDSU

to me this would be a fun and interesting debate to have, but it should be a friendly debate / discussion. i had zero intent of insulting you personally by saying that the Drake MBB program is not the same as the UNLV MBB program. i understand your point. TJ did not go to a P4 school. point given.

[LetsGoRabbits]

I think that USD blew that regent's policy out of the water a few years ago.

so are we back to one year contracts? obviously I am not up to date either way

[wcbsas]

we did make a change from having all of our coaches on one year contracts didnt we? I think we should make that part of the contract. if they leave before the contract is up, they are required to bring their new team to Frost for a couple years

Nice idea but not sure you can make that happen as the game contracts are between institutions not between coaches. Coaches have influence but not sure they have legal authority.

[2002jack]

being part of Drake will not be remotely as enjoyable for his kids and family as being part of SDSU.

There is no way you could possibly know his experience. You are just speculating. He might hate his neighbors in Brookings and dislike his kid’s teachers.

He is going to get paid more and have more NIL at Drak. Nagy is getting paid $600K at SIU. Jacobsen gets $900K at NIU.


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[bigticket1]

so are we back to one year contracts? obviously I am not up to date either way

No, they were the first to use a multi-year contract. Don't think that has changed.

[LetsGoRabbits]

Nice idea but not sure you can make that happen as the game contracts are between institutions not between coaches. Coaches have influence but not sure they have legal authority.

i hear you

but it is the institution that wants to hire the coach. so Drake Prez and AD come after Hendo and you say okey dokey that is certainly your choice to make and obviously we think you are making a great choice. Hendo is awesome, BUT his contract does require the school that hires him to come to brookings for 2 years. pleasure doing business with you

[LetsGoRabbits]

No, they were the first to use a multi-year contract. Don't think that has changed.

obviously coaches leave all the time while they have an existing contract. but i am curious how it works? Hendo interviewed last year and this year. when was his contract up? there must be some compensation / penalty for breaking a contract? do they have to give SDSU a buyout?

[jakejc795]

i hear you

but it is the institution that wants to hire the coach. so Drake Prez and AD come after Hendo and you say okey dokey that is certainly your choice to make and obviously we think you are making a great choice. Hendo is awesome, BUT his contract does require the school that hires him to come to brookings for 2 years. pleasure doing business with you

I'd be curious how leagues/conferences would view that. For instance, would other Summit League teams assert that the Jacks and Drake are essentially colluding to strengthen their own non-conference schedules, with teams like NDSU and USD lacking the same opportunities?

Having said that, the case could be made for agreeing to a Summit Invitational with USD playing teams like Nebraska and Green Bay and the Jacks playing teams like Wright State and Drake. SDSU would almost certainly be viewed more favorably by committees than York & St. Ambrose (whom Drake played last season).

[jakejc795]

obviously coaches leave all the time while they have an existing contract. but i am curious how it works? Hendo interviewed last year and this year. when was his contract up? there must be some compensation / penalty for breaking a contract? do they have to give SDSU a buyout?

Some reporting suggests there is a $275k buyout, and merging your other topic, it would be interesting if SDSU could get creative and say that they'd rescind that if Drake agrees to a home game in Brookings (this would also seem to negate any case other conference/league foes would try to make that a scheduling agreement would be an unfair Jacks advantage).

[MontanaRabbit]

Let’s go coach Peterson!!

The discussion that this is a lateral move is laughable. When was the last time the Summit got an 11 seed in the NCAA tournament or had a coach hired by a P4 team?

[JimmieTuba]

ok, yep their conference has a higher rating. what good is that if none of their teams can get an auto bid? what exactly is the value of a higher rated conference without NCAA bids? their recent coaches- one benefitted from his own son playing for him. another benefitted from bringing in most of a roster with him. I do believe Hendo is a good recruiter and a good coach and I expect he will do fine, but I dont know if he is gonna go to more tourneys or get rushed to a P4 job.

Drake was an at large bid in 2021. It is widely agreed that Indiana State was jobbed out of an at large bid last year.

If the Jacks end up with a similar record as either of those teams, they aren't considered for an at large. That is why Drake is a 'better' program, its potential.

Correct, or not, the MoValley has a lot more panache the Summit League.

[jbjack]

Drake was an at large bid in 2021. It is widely agreed that Indiana State was jobbed out of an at large bid last year.

If the Jacks end up with a similar record as either of those teams, they aren't considered for an at large. That is why Drake is a 'better' program, its potential.

Correct, or not, the MoValley has a lot more panache the Summit League.

While less so recently, the MVC has had fair bit of success getting at large bids. Summit has not and does not get at large bids. MVC isn't the league it used to be but let's be real, there isn't a single MVC team that would leave for the Summit while there isn't a Summit team that would turn down an offer from the MVC.

[wcbsas]

While less so recently, the MVC has had fair bit of success getting at large bids. Summit has not and does not get at large bids. MVC isn't the league it used to be but let's be real, there isn't a single MVC team that would leave for the Summit while there isn't a Summit team that would turn down an offer from the MVC.

The mid-major label is gone. The P4 are going to garner nearly all of the at large.

The P4 and Big East have every at large bid but 4. The 4 bids went to two other conferences Big West (1) and MWC (3).

[LetsGoRabbits]

all this is fine. the MV can be ranked higher. as I stated before, WHAT good is being in a higher ranked league if your teams do not get in the tourney? as things are, and if they continue on that trend, there will be no more than 5 or 6 leagues getting at large bids

seems like we have more or less beaten this one to the ground. Hendo is gone. if he is happy GREAT for him and congratulations!! big thanks for everything