GDT: Jackrabbits(1) vs Golden Eagles(4) 5:45pm@Pentagon Midco/ESPN+

[AZjack]

Baylor had 28/9/7 but you want him off the floor. That’s a hot take.

It's not about tonight, it's about the regular season and managing minutes. Baylor was tired against Omaha and was out of gas tonight. If he plays less minutes during the conference season, the more minutes he can play in a game like tonight.

Sorry you don't understand the concept of cumulative fatigue.

[Kemo]

While we got knocked out early again, I, for one, am happy a team beat us rather than we just lost it. Sure, there were a lot of things we could have done better (FTs and Turnovers), but ORU's 3, 4, 5, and 6 scorers had to shoot out of their minds for a "tip in" win. That's just how basketball works sometimes, so tip of the cap to ORU.

[AZjack]

He had no bench to develop. Quite literally. Noah and Trey opted out and Wingett was obviously hurt and not available.

If you want to talk about bench development how about Easley. He was a dude on defense the last 1/2 of the conference season.

Easley was always in the rotation, developing a bench isn't always about production. It's about keeping the minutes on your best player (Baylor) to a lower level.

Like I said, everyone saw the Jacks had a short bench after Noah went down and Hendo rode his horses too hard before the conference tourney. It happened to Daum 3 years ago and now the Jacks have choked in the last 3 SLT's as the 1 seed.

[MontanaRabbit]

It's not about tonight, it's about the regular season and managing minutes. Baylor was tired against Omaha and was out of gas tonight. If he plays less minutes during the conference season, the more minutes he can play in a game like tonight.

Sorry you don't understand the concept of cumulative fatigue.

I don’t think it’s me who “doesn’t understand”.

[AZjack]

While we got knocked out early again, I, for one, am happy a team beat us rather than we just lost it. Sure, there were a lot of things we could have done better (FTs and Turnovers), but ORU's 3, 4, 5, and 6 scorers had to shoot out of their minds for a "tip in" win. That's just how basketball works sometimes, so tip of the cap to ORU.

Quibble a bit with them "beating us", our first half mistakes cost us the game. At least it wasn't a complete egg like the last 2 years.

Team played hard tonight, just ORU had the fresher legs and shot it great.

[AZjack]

I don’t think it’s me who “doesn’t understand”.

Whatever smarty, Jacks have been bounced the last 3 years in the SLT. Something better change next year.

I'm sure you have the correct answer for the choke job in the SLT the last 3 years? This team had the talent to make the finals the last 3 years and has failed each time. Why is that?

[jakejc795]

Could of developed Fiegen (perhaps)

Has there ever been a follow up to discuss recovery/required monitoring from the surgery Aaron had a couple years ago?

[filbert]

Easley was always in the rotation, developing a bench isn't always about production. It's about keeping the minutes on your best player (Baylor) to a lower level.

Like I said, everyone saw the Jacks had a short bench after Noah went down and Hendo rode his horses too hard before the conference tourney. It happened to Daum 3 years ago and now the Jacks have choked in the last 3 SLT's as the 1 seed.

Jacks had nine players who over the course of the season averaged 10 or more minutes per game. There were three that didn't: Mfum, Fiegen, and Cornemann.

I would submit that there's probably a very good reason why the coaches didn't play Mfum or Fiegen more minutes. Cornemann if I recall correctly left the team at or before Christmas break.

To build depth, you need to have players available to you to build that depth with.

Remember that both Freidel (31 minutes per game) and Wingett (17.6 minutes per game) were unavailable after being two of the nine significant contributors to this team this year.

So, who the hell was Henderson and the rest of the coaching staff supposed to put in to spell Scheierman (35 min/game, 35.6 in conference) or Ariens (32 min/game, 31.3 conference)?

I'd say that those players were mainly Freidel and Wingett.

Oops.

Mims? Pure point guard, and really short to be a really complete point guard these days in D-I even in the Summit League. He still played 16.8 minutes/game and 17.3 in conference.

There are obviously reasons why Mfum and Fiegen didn't get more minutes.

Discussion of those reasons are left as an exercise for the posters.

[blue?]

I don't expect to change your opinion, but...

There is no excuse for 2 years ago, but that also doesn't fall on Hendo. Last year also was against a lower seed in the first round, but losing the player of the year with two games to go in the season is absolutely something that can't be discounted, especially when the style of play all year had been playing inside out.

We may have to agree to disagree about this year, but I don't think calling it a choke job is anything but an overreaction. Oral Roberts is a 4 seed, but the difference between seeds 1 and 4 all year has been minimal. Mix in losing Friedel late in the year and Wingett being hurt late and you have a recipe to be beaten when a team shoots like this.

Appreciate what you have in Hendo.

[MontanaRabbit]

Jacks had nine players who over the course of the season averaged 10 or more minutes per game. There were three that didn't: Mfum, Fiegen, and Cornemann.

I would submit that there's probably a very good reason why the coaches didn't play Mfum or Fiegen more minutes. Cornemann if I recall correctly left the team at or before Christmas break.

To build depth, you need to have players available to you to build that depth with.

Remember that both Freidel (31 minutes per game) and Wingett (17.6 minutes per game) were unavailable after being two of the nine significant contributors to this team this year.

So, who the hell was Henderson and the rest of the coaching staff supposed to put in to spell Scheierman (35 min/game, 35.6 in conference) or Ariens (32 min/game, 31.3 conference)?

I'd say that those players were mainly Freidel and Wingett.

Oops.

Mims? Pure point guard, and really short to be a really complete point guard these days in D-I even in the Summit League. He still played 16.8 minutes/game and 17.3 in conference.

There are obviously reasons why Mfum and Fiegen didn't get more minutes.

Discussion of those reasons are left as an exercise for the posters.

But er....cumulative fatigue, er Baylor needed a break, er should have developed.....er you don’t understand.

[AZjack]

Jacks had nine players who over the course of the season averaged 10 or more minutes per game. There were three that didn't: Mfum, Fiegen, and Cornemann.

I would submit that there's probably a very good reason why the coaches didn't play Mfum or Fiegen more minutes. Cornemann if I recall correctly left the team at or before Christmas break.

To build depth, you need to have players available to you to build that depth with.

Remember that both Freidel (31 minutes per game) and Wingett (17.6 minutes per game) were unavailable after being two of the nine significant contributors to this team this year.

So, who the hell was Henderson and the rest of the coaching staff supposed to put in to spell Scheierman (35 min/game, 35.6 in conference) or Ariens (32 min/game, 31.3 conference)?

I'd say that those players were mainly Freidel and Wingett.

Oops.

Mims? Pure point guard, and really short to be a really complete point guard these days in D-I even in the Summit League. He still played 16.8 minutes/game and 17.3 in conference.

There are obviously reasons why Mfum and Fiegen didn't get more minutes.

Discussion of those reasons are left as an exercise for the posters.

Absolutely agree Filbert.

My point is that just getting a few minutes of Mfum per game takes Baylor's minutes to a more manageable level. It was a thought why the Jacks have struggled with the SLT the last 3 years.

It's again not about production off the bench, it's stealing a few minutes of rest for your star players during the course of a season. The Jacks have not done well with that.


This team has a ton of potential next year, I just hope it all comes together and results in the NCAA tourney win that we all want.

Tough end to a tough year for a lot of folks involved with the team.

[AZjack]

But er....cumulative fatigue, er Baylor needed a break, er should have developed.....er you don’t understand.

Jacks still bounced 3 years in a row and you haven't offered any reasons why?

[naters_gonna_nate]

Jacks getting into a bad habit of underachieving in the League Tournament the last 3 years.

Tonight doesn't fit the narrative. There was no underachieving tonight. Throw the seeding out and look at the rosters. ORU had a more talented roster. With Noah, David, and Wingett it's probably a different story. But Matt Mims was guarding Jurgens most of the game. We were just fairly shorthanded depth wise at the end of the year here. ORU's entire line is long, athletic, and can obviously shoot it. Let's not get glued to their 4 seed and act like SDSU choked tonight. They played their asses off and lost a game for the ages. A truly great second half by both squads. This ORU squad is for real.

[filbert]

Oral Roberts has eight players with 10 or more minutes/game this season:
Abamas - 36.2
Obanor 31.3
Glasper 29.1
Thompson 27.2
Jurgens 21.9
Lacis 20.3
Weaver 19.0
Stevens 12.1
(Bonus: Jones is #9 with 9.4 min/game)
The remainder of ORU's players:
Bergens got into 9 games, 7.8 per game
Lovorn 7 games, 7.0
Alexandre 5 games, 6.4
Clover III got into 15 hames, 6.4
Ross, 1 game 5 minutes
Plet 11 games, 5 minutes/game

SDSU had nine players with 10+ minutes:
Scheierman 35.0
Arians 32.1
Freidel 31.0
Wilson 28.1
Dentlinger 25.1
Easley 20.1
Wingett 17.6
Mims 16.8
Appel 12.2
The rest of SDSU's squad:
Mfum, 9 games, 3.3 min/game
Fiegen 10 games. 2.8 min/game
Cornemann 1 game, 1 min.

The NCAA scholarship limit for D-I men's basketball programs is 13.

Tray Buchanan is on the roster, he's a scholarship player, he opted out this year. There's your depth solution right there.

[AZjack]

Oral Roberts has eight players with 10 or more minutes/game this season:
Abamas - 36.2
Obanor 31.3
Glasper 29.1
Thompson 27.2
Jurgens 21.9
Lacis 20.3
Weaver 19.0
Stevens 12.1
(Bonus: Jones is #9 with 9.4 min/game)
The remainder of ORU's players:
Bergens got into 9 games, 7.8 per game
Lovorn 7 games, 7.0
Alexandre 5 games, 6.4
Clover III got into 15 hames, 6.4
Ross, 1 game 5 minutes
Plet 11 games, 5 minutes/game

SDSU had nine players with 10+ minutes:
Scheierman 35.0
Arians 32.1
Freidel 31.0
Wilson 28.1
Dentlinger 25.1
Easley 20.1
Wingett 17.6
Mims 16.8
Appel 12.2
The rest of SDSU's squad:
Mfum, 9 games, 3.3 min/game
Fiegen 10 games. 2.8 min/game
Cornemann 1 game, 1 min.

The NCAA scholarship limit for D-I men's basketball programs is 13.

Tray Buchanan is on the roster, he's a scholarship player, he opted out this year. There's your depth solution right there.

No kidding Filbert, Hendo knew Trey was out all year, he could have managed the bench differently during the season.

Doesn't matter now, Jacks came out flat and mistake prone in the first half, cost them the game.

See how they do next year.

It's a fan board, nice to see some interaction and passion for SDSU hoops even if we disagree on the reasons why the Jacks lost this evening.