Bracketology

[NWHSUandSDSU]

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Any mid major # 1 seeds that lose hurts USDs chance at NIT.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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Hampton, another #1 out of the MEAC goes down to #6 NC Central.

SUPERBUNNY

[jacked_up_rabbit]

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Louisiana now falls in there semifinal matchup. Another team that was up on that 12/13 line.

[NWHSUandSDSU]

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Louisiana just lost in their semi-final game.

[CappinHard]

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Vermont gets upset (11.5 pt favorites) by UMBC (University of Maryland-Baltimore County of course). This is good for SDSU, because Vermont could have been on the 12 line above SDSU, and UMBC will likely be a 16 seed. Vermont will not get an at large either.

[NebraskaJack]

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Yeah probably true. I think if they win that game and lose second round they are last four in. MTSU RPI 34 with Texas 50 getting in before them seems wrong.


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Quadrant 1 wins rule the day.

[2002jack]

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MTSU's issue the fact that they lost to Marshall at the end of the season, and then in the first round of their tournament. They could have survived one or the other, but not both.

Yeah probably true. I think if they win that game and lose second round they are last four in. MTSU RPI 34 with Texas 50 getting in before them seems wrong.


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[SoDakJack]

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MTSU is an example of how far the Summit is from a two bid league. They have a nice resume, a low 30 rpi, and play in a better conference. They are probably out.


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MTSU's issue the fact that they lost to Marshall at the end of the season, and then in the first round of their tournament. They could have survived one or the other, but not both.

[2002jack]

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MTSU is an example of how far the Summit is from a two bid league. They have a nice resume, a low 30 rpi, and play in a better conference. They are probably out.


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[SoDakJack]

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Latest update has the Jacks as a 13 playing Wichita State in Boise. Kansas is the #1 and in our pod. I looked through the seeding rules, and I didn't see anything about rematches from OOC games being prohibited. That is news to me.

So...how about this for crushing...MTSU went from being a single digit see to out of the tournament.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...l/bracketology

Edit: I found the rematch mentioned. It says "if possible." The only rematches that are definitively not allowed are conference matchups.

[MontanaRabbit]

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If the quadrant system sticks, that will be the death of mid major leagues getting two bids. It is designed to value total wins in "tougher" games. There is no way mid majors can keep up. Here is one example....

SDSU 28-6 or 24-6 in DI wins with a current RPI of 39.
Quadrant I (1-2)
Quadrant 2 (1-3)
Quadrant 3 (7-1)
Quadrant 4 (15-0)

LSU 17-14 with a current RPI of 90
Quadrant 1 (6-6)
Quadrant 2 (3-7)
Quadrant 3 (2-1)
Qyadrant 4 (6-0)

They have 5 more quadrant one wins and 2 more quadrant wins. They would be the preferred team by far if using only the quadrant system. I am assuming Kenpom would be in their favor also and therefore if it were only us two for an at large bid we would lose out. Not a good sign for the future for mid major leagues.

Agree that doesn't look good.

One thing I believe is the difference between the top mid-majors and the last few P5 teams in the dance is not that big. It certainly isn't as big as strictly looking at quadrant wins would suggest. All these P5 teams stack their OOC schedule with home games and hardly ever go on the road. Then they add a resume building winning or two at home during conference.

I'd love to see a requirement of a team being over .500 during conference play to be eligible for an at-large. That will never happen though.

Mid-majors make the NCAA tournament what it is. It's sad they keep getting pushed away.

[NebraskaJack]

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Plus the NCAA selection committee is supposedly using the "Quadrant" system this year, which is basically just the RPI wearing a fake nose/glasses/moustache.

If the quadrant system sticks, that will be the death of mid major leagues getting two bids. It is designed to value total wins in "tougher" games. There is no way mid majors can keep up. Here is one example....

SDSU 28-6 or 24-6 in DI wins with a current RPI of 39.
Quadrant I (1-2)
Quadrant 2 (1-3)
Quadrant 3 (7-1)
Quadrant 4 (15-0)

LSU 17-14 with a current RPI of 90
Quadrant 1 (6-6)
Quadrant 2 (3-7)
Quadrant 3 (2-1)
Qyadrant 4 (6-0)

They have 5 more quadrant one wins and 2 more quadrant wins. They would be the preferred team by far if using only the quadrant system. I am assuming Kenpom would be in their favor also and therefore if it were only us two for an at large bid we would lose out. Not a good sign for the future for mid major leagues.

[NebraskaJack]

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You're right. I was only considering whether Middle Tennessee would make the field or not. I didn't consider that if WKU would make it they would also be ahead of us, but it looks like they would be. I made an assumption that WKU would be a lower seed.

Old Dominion is a 1 pt favorite over WKU tonight, so hopefully they take care of business.

Would Old Dominion end up above us if they go and win that tournament though?

If ODU wins tonight they are predicted to go from 74 to 61ish in RPI depending on other results today. The other side of the bracket is weaker so I don't think it would be enough for them to pass us at least in terms of RPI.

[CappinHard]

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It doesn't matter whether Middle Tennessee makes the field or not since any at large team will be ahead of us. The only benefit we will get from their loss is if WKU loses also and then we will move up a spot. If WKU wins we will be in the same spot as if MTSU had won which is that conference champion and an at large ahead of us.

Unless of course I am totally missing your point in which case nevermind.

You're right. I was only considering whether Middle Tennessee would make the field or not. I didn't consider that if WKU would make it they would also be ahead of us, but it looks like they would be. I made an assumption that WKU would be a lower seed.

Old Dominion is a 1 pt favorite over WKU tonight, so hopefully they take care of business.

Would Old Dominion end up above us if they go and win that tournament though?

[filbert]

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Plus the NCAA selection committee is supposedly using the "Quadrant" system this year, which is basically just the RPI wearing a fake nose/glasses/moustache.