GDT: @ Omaha Mavericks

[yoteforever]

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No way!!!! Another bad experience at a Jackrabbit event. You must be the unluckiest yote fan, to be treated like crap all the time. And this time it was in California. You are so full of it, Mr Troll. Maybe youre the problem and not the Jackrabbit fans

Youre right Mitchell, I made it up. I'm a troll. I'm the problem because god forbid this could've happened. My bad.

To to the rest of you, good luck and we will see you in Vermillion.

[da_coach]

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Other than Syracuse is there any other team that uses a zone as their base defense? I know Washington was running one yesterday against Arizona, but don't know if yesterday was an oddity.

Syracuse proves a zone can work, but I just believe we weren't very good at it. The guys played their asses off at ORU and couldn't get a win. I'm not sure they can play with more effort than they did that night.

Louisville. Rick Pitino switched to zone a handful of years back.
-although he will play Man, unlike Syracuse.
Rollie Massamino won a title at Villanova running match up zone.

I agree with the thought that we just weren't playing it well. However, they've switched back to man, so it's kind of a mute point.

I remember Nagy running a 2-3 zone in Frost, to get the programs first win over Oakland. And it DID happen. I was there. (They didn't play it all game, I don't think, but over 50% if I remember right.)
( and Scott never played zone... only time I can remember)

Point being... zone CAN work.
Zone didn't work.
Man is looking better.
(But they got alot of zone experience if they want to break it out at some point)

-will also say that facing a well-played matchup zone defense can be one of the most frustrating things you can face as a coach. It's quite maddening.

Whoooo! That was too long!
Appreciate your thoughts YoteForever. I am on board team TJ!

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[da_coach]

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Moot! Darn autocorrect. That's what I get for posting on my phone.

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[OldHare]

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Youre right Mitchell, I made it up. I'm a troll. I'm the problem because god forbid this could've happened. My bad.

To to the rest of you, good luck and we will see you in Vermillion.

Is that an offer for tickets at the SCSC? I will offer your spouse dressed in red unlimited escort service and a peaceful visit for those tickets next week when the Yote women visit Brookings!!

[yoteforever]

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Is that an offer for tickets at the SCSC? I will offer your spouse dressed in red unlimited escort service and a peaceful visit for those tickets next week when the Yote women visit Brookings!!

Accepted. Thanks for the offer. 👍

[Grizzled_Jack]

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I only get to one or two away games a year. From St. Louis that means ORU, WIU, IUPUI or Omaha. Hats off to UNO in providing a good fan experience on both visits. I can't even begin to fully describe how horrible ORU and IUPUI are. A few hundred people and in the case of IUPUI a shuttle driver who tried to convince me to skip the game and see Butler instead. Both experiences were worse than any college game I've ever been to, including Huron College in the 1950's. And Baxter Arena is very nice.

[mitchellrabbit]

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Youre right Mitchell, I made it up. I'm a troll. I'm the problem because god forbid this could've happened. My bad.

To to the rest of you, good luck and we will see you in Vermillion.

Yea it could happen once. But it happens all the time to you. Dont hear complaints from other yote fans.

[MontanaRabbit]

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Youre right Mitchell, I made it up. I'm a troll. I'm the problem because god forbid this could've happened. My bad.

To to the rest of you, good luck and we will see you in Vermillion.

Your constant passive aggressive attacks get old.

[wcbsas]

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Syracuse has been discussed numerous times when defending a full time zone defense, but I'll hash it out again.

Jim Boeheim's roster is littered with top 100 recruits, some even in the top 10, that specifically fit his defensive principles. He always has a 7'0" foot center that can protect the rim and clear the boards, and his wings are always hyper-athletic 6'7"+ kids with 7'0"+ wingspans. With these types of players, he can minimize the deficiencies in the zone because these long athletes can close on open shooters more effectively and the 7 footer (as well as the wings) have the ability to rise up over the opposing rebounders, negating the numerical disadvantage that often occurs when the offense crashes the boards hard and the defense isn't manned up on them.

95% of Division I college programs aren't able to recruit to this defensive scheme, and the Jacks are part of that 95%.

To stick with the baseball analogy theme. If a normal zone is a change up, then Syracuse's 2-3 zone is a knuckle ball. It sounds like a good idea, but very few can actually consistently throw it over the plate.

And Syracuse is playing teams with top 100 recruits, some even in the top 10.

SDSU may not have the same kind of recruits as Syracuse but the teams SDSU is playing have similar types of recruits.

Zone defenses are not successful only when you have top 100 type recruits. The success of a zone is not dependent on whether your team has better more talented players than the other team - it depends on how effective and efficient it is. Ensuring you have the types of players to make it successful is a plus. SDSU may not have the types of players it needs to be successful in a 1-3-1 zone but they sure don't have the players t be successful in a M-to-M defense either.

Look at my other recent post - Marquette recently beat #1 ranked Villanova with a 1-3-1 as its primary defense.

Your change-up analogy is wrong here. There are a lot of off-speed pitchers who make their living throwing in the high '80s - low '90s. Greg Maddux is currently in the HOF because of his slider and change-up.

[NorCalJack]

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Your constant passive aggressive attacks get old.

Well your in my face attacks are even older. I would post more but tired of you always being right.

[filbert]

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Discuss posts, not posters.

Bans can be forthcoming without further notice.

[Nidaros]

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Well your in my face attacks are even older. I would post more but tired of you always being right.

In 100 years will any of this matter?

[jacksstudent]

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And Syracuse is playing teams with top 100 recruits, some even in the top 10.

SDSU may not have the same kind of recruits as Syracuse but the teams SDSU is playing have similar types of recruits.

Zone defenses are not successful only when you have top 100 type recruits. The success of a zone is not dependent on whether your team has better more talented players than the other team - it depends on how effective and efficient it is. Ensuring you have the types of players to make it successful is a plus. SDSU may not have the types of players it needs to be successful in a 1-3-1 zone but they sure don't have the players t be successful in a M-to-M defense either.

Look at my other recent post - Marquette recently beat #1 ranked Villanova with a 1-3-1 as its primary defense.

Your change-up analogy is wrong here. There are a lot of off-speed pitchers who make their living throwing in the high '80s - low '90s. Greg Maddux is currently in the HOF because of his slider and change-up.

do you feel like sdsu was successful when we solely ran the zone?

[NebraskaJack]

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And Syracuse is playing teams with top 100 recruits, some even in the top 10.

SDSU may not have the same kind of recruits as Syracuse but the teams SDSU is playing have similar types of recruits.

Zone defenses are not successful only when you have top 100 type recruits. The success of a zone is not dependent on whether your team has better more talented players than the other team - it depends on how effective and efficient it is. Ensuring you have the types of players to make it successful is a plus. SDSU may not have the types of players it needs to be successful in a 1-3-1 zone but they sure don't have the players t be successful in a M-to-M defense either.

Look at my other recent post - Marquette recently beat #1 ranked Villanova with a 1-3-1 as its primary defense.

Your change-up analogy is wrong here. There are a lot of off-speed pitchers who make their living throwing in the high '80s - low '90s. Greg Maddux is currently in the HOF because of his slider and change-up.

Maybe I am looking at it wrong but any college team should be able to rotate the ball quickly enough to take advantage of a zone defense that doesn't have players that are as quick or lengthy. Teams with top 100 recruits most likely have have the speed and length to overcome, the rest don't.

[91jack]

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Other than Syracuse is there any other team that uses a zone as their base defense? I know Washington was running one yesterday against Arizona, but don't know if yesterday was an oddity.

Syracuse proves a zone can work, but I just believe we weren't very good at it. The guys played their asses off at ORU and couldn't get a win. I'm not sure they can play with more effort than they did that night.

SDSU came close to beating ORU because "they played their asses off" and ORU only shot 7-22 from 3-point land. Their best two shooters were 2-5 and 3-7. After that, nobody shot good.

There are many other teams that can shoot the 3-pointer.
NDSU- 4-7, 3-7, 3-7
Western Illinois- 6-11, 4-4, 2-3
Omaha (1st game)- 8-13, 3-7
IUPUI- 1-1, 4-9, 2-4, 1-2
Denver- 5-7,2-3, 3-5

IPFW had a bad night shooting and that's part of the reason we beat them. If teams have shooters and you have a 6'2" player trying to cover the baseline, you better hope they are off that night.