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[jacksstudent]

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Maybe, just maybe the coaching staff decided to go back to man-to-man because after continuing to work on it in practice, the players finally proved to them that they had mastered it enough to be able to effectively play it in games. And not because they read this message board and said "oh hell, let's go back and try man defense." Plus, as was stated on here, they would never play man again, because if they did and it worked it would prove them wrong.

Zimmer actually said the same thing about switching back to man on his podcast in early January that tj has been so adamant on zone that it may be tough to go back to man since all the fans wanted to see some man. So I must not be that crazy to also think that.

weve looked good in man. From my opinion we should have played it earlier on this season or at least for 5 minutes a game. Your analogy would be that a qb wasn't good at throwing the ball so we are going to run The ball every play til our qb shows in practice he is ready enough to pass it.

[wcbsas]

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are you saying we should go back to exclusive 1-3-1?

the 1-3-1 is effective at times especially if it catches a team by surprise. If you look at our blanket 1-3-1 defense through almost the full first half of the conference it didn't work, there is no way to spin that it was successful as the only team we beat with that zone was missing their second best player and we won on a last second shot.

since the man has been infused and we've ran it quite a bit we are 2-2 and we beat 2 quality opponents.

we are fortunate that tj didn't stay with 100% zone. It wasn't working and it was obvious to everyone it wasn't working.

i don't mind running a 1-3-1 but I wouldn't do it exclusively without running a lot of man 2 man.

just my opinion.

No not saying that whatsoever. I am saying though that zone defenses can be effective. It sure in the heck was effective beating the #1 team in the country. I suspect SDSU would have to play it a lot better to match Marquette's zone but at the end of the day you probably have a collection of players who just are not very good at defense. Lateral quickness, length, quick twitch movements ...

[bigticket1]

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Everyone has the right to question coaching decisions - I do it myself on occasion. But I believe we hired a very capable coaching staff. And they make decisions based 100% on what they believe gives them the best chance to win games. And all four of them came from programs that have almost exclusively run man defenses, so I believe they can evaluate if this group of players was ready to effectively play it. And having never coached beyond the grade school level, I'm going to defer to them on strategic decisions.

[Kemo]

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No not saying that whatsoever. I am saying though that zone defenses can be effective. It sure in the heck was effective beating the #1 team in the country. I suspect SDSU would have to play it a lot better to match Marquette's zone but at the end of the day you probably have a collection of players who just are not very good at defense. Lateral quickness, length, quick twitch movements ...

The best way to look at zone defenses is to use a baseball analogy:

Zone is like a change up. It's a great pitch to have in your repertoire because it can throw your opponent off balanced and it's always in the back of their mind.

However, if all you do is throw change ups, that means you are just throwing the ball slow.

[91jack]

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I haven't read much of this thread but I have found a couple of things interesting.

1) I remember hearing that both Hess and Reed played mainly the 4 spot on defense so they had to play a zone. Now that Hess is out, they are playing Lane some the 4 spot. Tyler said that they have a rotation of Ian, Daum and Lane at the 4 & 5 spots. (I like Lane and wouldn't mind seeing Dykman some so this isn't all bad- Would rather have Hess though).

2) There is a lot of talk about Daum getting so many more fouls playing man to man defense instead of zone. It seems to me that he gets 1 or 2 fouls most games on the offensive end. If you didn't want him to get fouls, beat on and tired; why don't you move him outside a little more and give him some space?

I like this staff and I think they will be really good. I didn't agree with the only zone thing but that didn't mean that I wanted TJ fired. I've always stated that I didn't think South Dakota needed multi-year contracts and I was debating my stance on that with all of the talk on here(of course nobody on here is in charge). I do think that TJ is still learning some about being a head coach. You can see it all but it is a little different being "the man". There are some differences between the Summit League and where he was at so he might have some adjusting there, too.

[OldHare]

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I haven't read much of this thread but I have found a couple of things interesting.

1) I remember hearing that both Hess and Reed played mainly the 4 spot on defense so they had to play a zone. Now that Hess is out, they are playing Lane some the 4 spot. Tyler said that they have a rotation of Ian, Daum and Lane at the 4 & 5 spots. (I like Lane and wouldn't mind seeing Dykman some so this isn't all bad- Would rather have Hess though).

2) There is a lot of talk about Daum getting so many more fouls playing man to man defense instead of zone. It seems to me that he gets 1 or 2 fouls most games on the offensive end. If you didn't want him to get fouls, beat on and tired; why don't you move him outside a little more and give him some space?

I like this staff and I think they will be really good. I didn't agree with the only zone thing but that didn't mean that I wanted TJ fired. I've always stated that I didn't think South Dakota needed multi-year contracts and I was debating my stance on that with all of the talk on here(of course nobody on here is in charge). I do think that TJ is still learning some about being a head coach. You can see it all but it is a little different being "the man". There are some differences between the Summit League and where he was at so he might have some adjusting there, too.

Telly did a good job at the 3 during this game as well.

[Jacks-02]

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Does anyone have any insight into Adam Dykman and why he isn't a consideration for more PT?

From all I heard last year he was an athletic guy that looked promising as a red-shirt, and now he doesn't see the floor at all. Is he just not a fit?

Was Mr. Basketball in Nebraska, it's surprising to me that he can't get on the floor.

[bigticket1]

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I didn't here what Tyler said, but Reed played the 4 all of last season, and I believe most of this season as well. Before Hess got hurt, AJ was playing at the 3.

[goon]

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Does anyone have any insight into Adam Dykman and why he isn't a consideration for more PT?

From all I heard last year he was an athletic guy that looked promising as a red-shirt, and now he doesn't see the floor at all. Is he just not a fit?

Was Mr. Basketball in Nebraska, it's surprising to me that he can't get on the floor.

Same thing I felt about Matt Donlan. Just from my own eye and hearing good things about him, was surprised he struggled here so much to get playing time. I thought he would have been good here.

[wcbsas]

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The best way to look at zone defenses is to use a baseball analogy:

Zone is like a change up. It's a great pitch to have in your repertoire because it can throw your opponent off balanced and it's always in the back of their mind.

However, if all you do is throw change ups, that means you are just throwing the ball slow.

Disagree ... tell that to Syracuse ... they've won conference and national championships with an unmatched 2/3 zone.

[goon]

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Disagree ... tell that to Syracuse ... they've won conference and national championships with an unmatched 2/3 zone.

That's one. How many other big time programs run zone only. I know a lot that use it to change of pace, and depending on how much they are struggling playing man. Andy locally I can only think of Boots who used it all the time. otherwise I cant think of other coaches or teams that we faced ran it much if at all.

[MontanaRabbit]

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Disagree ... tell that to Syracuse ... they've won conference and national championships with an unmatched 2/3 zone.

Other than Syracuse is there any other team that uses a zone as their base defense? I know Washington was running one yesterday against Arizona, but don't know if yesterday was an oddity.

Syracuse proves a zone can work, but I just believe we weren't very good at it. The guys played their asses off at ORU and couldn't get a win. I'm not sure they can play with more effort than they did that night.

[mitchellrabbit]

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Not being transparent? I couldn't be more transparent. I've stated from the start how well I know TJ and said so from my experience with him at Iowa State. Let me address your pints one by one:

1.) I do have season tickets at Iowa State and USD
2.) I wasn't opposed to Coach Smiths hiring as much as I was for TJ. That being said Coach Smith is one hell of a good coach and I'm very proud to call him both our coach and now a great friend.
3.) I think I'm safe saying I've made a few friends on here that I enjoyed the back and forth banter about USD vs SDSU but yes, there are a number on here that attack and distort what I say regardless of what I say. But when you say I am not being objective about many posters sharp criticism of TJ I simply say go back and reread the several rants several posters have made since November. My gosh, are you kidding me?
4.) Coach Coffman, along with any smart and media savvy coach will say things like that in order not to give any opponent "locker room" material.
5.) I have never said one negative word on AD Sell, in fact I've supported him as he is a good guy.
6.) Your quote "I am not certain why you believe Jackrabbit fans doubt Coach Otz"? I simply reply back are you ****ting me?
7.) Your attendance in Omaha? I will assume you're right. That's awesome. You should support your team regardless of their level of success.
8.) You quoting me from 2015 about TJ being one of the finest people I know, and I know him well? So you thoroughly understand, he's like a second son to me. How's that for transparency?

This is exactly why I don't post on here anymore. If I said your nickname was the Jacks, you would say it's Jackrabbits. That's just how it is.

In closing let me tell you a story. I promised TJ I would be at his first game as a head coach where ever he landed his first head coaching job. Little did I ever think it would be to our in state rival. When he asked me my opinion about the job I told him the truth....it would be a great opportunity and welcoming fan base. Anyway, I flew from Florida to San Francisco so I could be there for his first game against Cal. I even wore a Jack basketball shirt. As I was sitting in the motel lobby waiting for the team to depart for the coliseum so I could follow them in my car along with a great friend of TJ's from Washington, one of your more prominent boosters saw me and came up to me and chastised me for being there and we don't need any stinking Coyote fans to cheer for us. Two other fans, along with a mom of a player came up to me right after and apologized for that guys behavior and thanked me profusely for being there. The guy from Washington was like what the hell just happened? I think that man might just be you?

For the rest of you, you have a great coach, and I wish you well.

No way!!!! Another bad experience at a Jackrabbit event. You must be the unluckiest yote fan, to be treated like crap all the time. And this time it was in California. You are so full of it, Mr Troll. Maybe youre the problem and not the Jackrabbit fans

[Kemo]

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Disagree ... tell that to Syracuse ... they've won conference and national championships with an unmatched 2/3 zone.

Syracuse has been discussed numerous times when defending a full time zone defense, but I'll hash it out again.

Jim Boeheim's roster is littered with top 100 recruits, some even in the top 10, that specifically fit his defensive principles. He always has a 7'0" foot center that can protect the rim and clear the boards, and his wings are always hyper-athletic 6'7"+ kids with 7'0"+ wingspans. With these types of players, he can minimize the deficiencies in the zone because these long athletes can close on open shooters more effectively and the 7 footer (as well as the wings) have the ability to rise up over the opposing rebounders, negating the numerical disadvantage that often occurs when the offense crashes the boards hard and the defense isn't manned up on them.

95% of Division I college programs aren't able to recruit to this defensive scheme, and the Jacks are part of that 95%.

To stick with the baseball analogy theme. If a normal zone is a change up, then Syracuse's 2-3 zone is a knuckle ball. It sounds like a good idea, but very few can actually consistently throw it over the plate.

[joeboo22]

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similar to what other people have said, don't say well X does it as a reason on why you should be able to do it if you are not x.

Syracuse is Syracuse. South Dakota St. is South Dakota St.

Now TJ didn't get the chance to truly assemble his team yet, he believed a 1-3-1 was right for the personal he had. I think sleeping would have been about as productive as any of their zones were there for a while. If he wants to run a zone, he will have to recruit for a zone, but if he thinks he can just recruit some shooters and have them sit in a zone and that will work, he won't be very successful as a coach. I coach JH and it took me about 1 half to realize that I was going to have to work on defense more than offense. Most players learn how to "score" at a young age, very few learn how to play defense the right way.