GDT: SDSU vs Omaha

[SoDak]

Re: GDT: SDSU vs Omaha

Firstly, I think that Otz deserves a full three years to see what he can do. Maybe his recruits work better within his plans. Any talk of contract buyouts or some such nonsense is, well, nonsense.

That being said, this team, this year, is in tatters. I liked watching the transition teams more than I like this. It's often just hard to watch. I'll buy tickets and go, but I'll have a gas mask on. I don't buy for a minute that the cupboard is bare, or this is somehow Nagys fault. I think all we are seeing is a young, inexperienced coach feeling his way through this. The pressure is on, these three years spell the difference between moving up a level eventually, or selling insurance.

[OldHare]

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Unless you have inside information, it's irresponsible at best to frame the coach-player dialogue in the manner that you just did. It is just as likely that Cole was not playing because he had approached the staff about contemplating a transfer, they mutually agreed that playing here and possibly risking his health in a program he was likely to leave was unwise, and they finalized the agreement to transfer within the past 7-10 days as TJ mentioned. If that occurred, I think that speaks to the caliber of our staff because they could have taken a hardline stance and made it very difficult for the player.

Just to indulge your speculation, I did find it interesting that TJ delayed specifying Wright State as Cole's destination, but as I tried to empathize with TJ, I thought I could possibly understand why it might be difficult to reveal that to the media minutes after a loss knowing that some would take that as a possible player endorsement of the old regime. Lest you think I prefer Otz to Nagy, I was hoping Nagy would retire here, but Otz is the Jacks coach, and I feel like some people aren't giving him a fair shake. For example, not acknowledging that the loss of Bittle, Parks, Marshall, Moffitt, etc. might set the program back and necessitate system change.

I realize you have not stipulated the number of seasons TJ should remain -- I mentioned that because, again, it seems like people are framing this as a lost season and mischaracterizing what the coach says in the presser when the team is three games below .500.

The staff was straight forward with the young man from Chicago that went to Wright St before he came to Brookings. If you think I am framing the dialogue between player-coach, you are taking my wife's job of putting words into my mouth. The word I am hearing come from TJ referring to offense ability overshadowing defensive ability. I will continue to endorse effort players on defense as a key to a solid team. Points will evolve as needed if the defense is successful. However, back to the preexisting roster that we were discussing. The emphasis on defense in the past did not deplete this team of defensive aptitude. The message in the post game interview did loudly exclaim that offense was the balance that is in demand. That is possible risk looking at the roster coming from the coach. I did not put those words on the tape.

[jakejc795]

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TJ may have been a bit more straight forward with the existing players as we see a young man like Gentry move on after half a season of play. I do not think you can find any indication from me that TJ is not deserving of a particular number of seasons. The behavioral analysis is simply an observation that when you watch 100 interviews after a game, you will not observe a coach hanging his head for the duration. If you believe it is the realization that the job is more difficult than expected, then it is possible that is the explanation. Disappointment is an understatement. Maybe this will be the turning point for the season. That is more than possible. It will take a major undertaking by the coaching staff for that to be true. Otherwise, it might be the resignation to look toward next season as the rebound. I did not expect to have a rebuilding year(s) with the new coaching staff. I did not expect to find that the existing roster to be so under qualified to play defense or learn a new defense which may require greater athleticism than man to man defense. I might sound frustrated, but think if your name was Cole Gentry and someone patted you on the back after 6 months and said good luck with your old coach.

Unless you have inside information, it's irresponsible at best to frame the coach-player dialogue in the manner that you just did. It is just as likely that Cole was not playing because he had approached the staff about contemplating a transfer, they mutually agreed that playing here and possibly risking his health in a program he was likely to leave was unwise, and they finalized the agreement to transfer within the past 7-10 days as TJ mentioned. If that occurred, I think that speaks to the caliber of our staff because they could have taken a hardline stance and made it very difficult for the player.

Just to indulge your speculation, I did find it interesting that TJ delayed specifying Wright State as Cole's destination, but as I tried to empathize with TJ, I thought I could possibly understand why it might be difficult to reveal that to the media minutes after a loss knowing that some would take that as a possible player endorsement of the old regime. Lest you think I prefer Otz to Nagy, I was hoping Nagy would retire here, but Otz is the Jacks coach, and I feel like some people aren't giving him a fair shake. For example, not acknowledging that the loss of Bittle, Parks, Marshall, Moffitt, etc. might set the program back and necessitate system change.

I realize you have not stipulated the number of seasons TJ should remain -- I mentioned that because, again, it seems like people are framing this as a lost season and mischaracterizing what the coach says in the presser when the team is three games below .500.

[OldHare]

Re: GDT: SDSU vs Omaha

Omaha had a season tied high for made 3 point shots at 16. They shot 45.7% from long range. They were 50% at the 6:20 mark going 15-30. They finished 16-35 for the game. The Mavs average 22.9 3 point shots per game and average 35.5%. This is a recurring theme for our opponents and the 3 point shot. I would assume the coach would have some concern for the defense rather than look for more offense. Please explain what I am missing when I ask for defensive objectives after a 101-93 loss????

[RowdyRabbit]

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Defense is effort and communication. It can be taught. SDSU should not be this bad IMO, but I'm not a coach.

Im of the opinion that at this level you shouldnt have to teach effort. Communication I can see, but the effort should should come naturally. I know nothing, howevrr.

[OldHare]

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Surely there's been a time that you've been disappointed with something that you have been involved in. If we've reached the point where we'll have presser "behavioral analysis," I shudder to think what direction some of these threads may go in.

TJ's in a profession where his every move gets to be dissected by folks like us. Yes, he likely makes more money than many of us, but that does not grant us license to misconstrue what he is saying. Can we at least agree that TJ did not offer an indictment of Cole's ability? In fact, TJ commended Cole and said he wished him the best. However, your post omits that key detail.

One of the only ways I would argue that TJ not be given at least two seasons to see this through is if his behavior or actions suggested lack of concern for player or program well-being. I would argue that his difficulty looking up during the postgame video stems from his disappointment with the current state of affairs not any ill will, but only TJ knows that for sure.

TJ may have been a bit more straight forward with the existing players as we see a young man like Gentry move on after half a season of play. I do not think you can find any indication from me that TJ is not deserving of a particular number of seasons. The behavioral analysis is simply an observation that when you watch 100 interviews after a game, you will not observe a coach hanging his head for the duration. If you believe it is the realization that the job is more difficult than expected, then it is possible that is the explanation. Disappointment is an understatement. Maybe this will be the turning point for the season. That is more than possible. It will take a major undertaking by the coaching staff for that to be true. Otherwise, it might be the resignation to look toward next season as the rebound. I did not expect to have a rebuilding year(s) with the new coaching staff. I did not expect to find that the existing roster to be so under qualified to play defense or learn a new defense which may require greater athleticism than man to man defense. I might sound frustrated, but think if your name was Cole Gentry and someone patted you on the back after 6 months and said good luck with your old coach.

[jakejc795]

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For those of you even considering TJ should be fired....stop drinking, go to bed, come back and delete these posts in the morning. No different than when you drunk text some x-girlfriend from 3 years ago.

Yes, TJ has a 3 year deal and SDSU sure as hell isn't going to buy out one of its first ever multi-year contracts.

SMH....

Sadly I'm completely sober, but I've seen the negative coach-related commentary on here, Twitter, and Zim's chats

[BTownJack]

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For those of you even considering TJ should be fired....stop drinking, go to bed, come back and delete these posts in the morning. No different than when you drunk text some x-girlfriend from 3 years ago.

Yes, TJ has a 3 year deal and SDSU sure as hell isn't going to buy out one of its first ever multi-year contracts.

SMH....

[jakejc795]

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I understand that, but I am confident in saying we will not be buying out a contract. If Nagy wasn't let go in those dark days TJ will get the full 3 years.

I guess that's what has me confused. People seem to forget the down years during Nagy's tenure.

[UWMandSDSU]

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The duration of a coach's contract has little bearing on whether they are terminated. We need look no further than U of M for recent confirmation of that. Heaven forbid we change AD's and the new person or Sell have a change of heart and adopt a perspective like that espoused by some of the posters on this forum.

I understand that, but I am confident in saying we will not be buying out a contract. If Nagy wasn't let go in those dark days TJ will get the full 3 years.

[jakejc795]

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He will get at least three seasons since he is on a 3-yr contract.

The duration of a coach's contract has little bearing on whether they are terminated. We need look no further than U of M for recent confirmation of that. Heaven forbid we change AD's and the new person or Sell have a change of heart and adopt a perspective like that espoused by some of the posters on this forum.

[UWMandSDSU]

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One of the only ways I would argue that TJ not be given at least two seasons to see this through is if his behavior or actions suggested lack of concern for player or program well-being. I would argue that his difficulty looking up during the postgame video stems from his disappointment with the current state of affairs not any ill will, but only TJ knows that for sure.

He will get at least three seasons since he is on a 3-yr contract.

[jakejc795]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl5shnIt75Y
postgame TJ
He does not look up much during this interview It is disappointing that Gentry is another existing roster member that does not have any athletic ability. It appears his statement about having offensive ability is more attractive than defense. How is this defensive attitude working? 101-93 is hard to understand that we cannot value defense. It can surely turn around, but at this point I have a hard time seeing that corner.

Surely there's been a time that you've been disappointed with something that you have been involved in. If we've reached the point where we'll have presser "behavioral analysis," I shudder to think what direction some of these threads may go in.

TJ's in a profession where his every move gets to be dissected by folks like us. Yes, he likely makes more money than many of us, but that does not grant us license to misconstrue what he is saying. Can we at least agree that TJ did not offer an indictment of Cole's ability? In fact, TJ commended Cole and said he wished him the best. However, your post omits that key detail.

One of the only ways I would argue that TJ not be given at least two seasons to see this through is if his behavior or actions suggested lack of concern for player or program well-being. I would argue that his difficulty looking up during the postgame video stems from his disappointment with the current state of affairs not any ill will, but only TJ knows that for sure.

[OldHare]

Re: GDT: SDSU vs Omaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl5shnIt75Y
postgame TJ
He does not look up much during this interview It is disappointing that Gentry is another existing roster member that does not have any athletic ability. It appears his statement about having offensive ability is more attractive than defense. How is this defensive attitude working? 101-93 is hard to understand that we cannot value defense. It can surely turn around, but at this point I have a hard time seeing that corner.

[jakejc795]

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I just want to leave my opinion here about the game. Yes, the Jacks lost, but I saw a team that fought all the way to the end. Some of you will say, "Who cares! They lost!" I would have been happy if they had lost by less than 20 to Omaha, but the Jacks pushed hard and amazed the all of us by getting within 2 (and giving Omaha quite a scare at the end.) This is a team who is still figuring things out and is actually showing some heart against much adversity (mostly from certain parts of the fanbase.) I'm proud of what this team did tonight and look forward to seeing them improve. I believe things can come together by March. #TrustTheProcess

Hope you're right, and I agree with the gist of what you're saying. When the Jacks were cutting the lead, I kept thinking "Man it'd be awesome if they could come back and win this."

If you watched Ian and Mike's postgame interview, there seemed to be a sense that maybe some of the team wasn't fully invested in aspects like the zone defense (as difficult as that may be for us to believe -- sorry for the sarcasm). Regardless of what happens this season, I hope fractures don't develop between teammates because that would have longer-term repercussions.