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  • SDSUAlum08
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    Gentry was starting at the beginning of the year. He must have shown something, but struggled (like everyone else). Nothing wrong with that. SDSU will lose more players at the end of the season.

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  • filbert
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    Not a lot good to say about this game, except (somewhat sarcastically and unseriously) maybe that full-court press should be SDSU's base defense. Also, a buddy of mine and I were discussing the second-half woes prior to the UNO game, and we thought that maybe throwing a man-to-man out there, for maybe the third or fourth time on defense for the second half, would help. It wouldn't have to be that effective, even, but just *showing it* as a change of pace might tilt a game in the Jacks' favor. Seems to me a large part of basketball success is finding and staying in a groove, and preventing an opponent from finding and/or staying in their groove. You can't do that if you don't change things up yourself when things are going from bad to worse.

    It's a bit like throwing a long pass attempt every once in a while in football. It doesn't necessarily have to succeed, but you have to show the other team that you'll try it, and then they will have to respect the possibility from then on.

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  • MontanaRabbit
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    Originally posted by Kemo View Post
    I had those memories thoroughly repressed, but they seem to be surfacing for some reason.

    In all seriousness, TJ is not, nor should be fired for anything that happens on the court for the duration of his initial contract. We hired a coach with zero head coaching experience from outside the program, so we were going to experience some growing pains, they are just more painful than we probably would have liked. I've been critical and will continue to be critical of our poor defensive performances, but I'm not ready to burn the house down because of a leaky faucet just yet. Not even close.

    Coach Otz's strengths lie in his personality and ability to recruit, but running a program is something he hasn't done before and is still figuring out. I'd recommend pulling qualities from the Bennett branch of his coaching tree and focus first on stopping teams, then on scoring.
    I agree with this. TJ needs a chance. I'm also going to be critical. He's made some head scratching decisions imo.

    As far as the presser last night. TJ looked defeated no way around that. I also oddly love what Ian said. He seemed to indirectly call out the players saying how they needed to see how good they could be when they played hard (referencing the run when they cut the lead from 24 to 2).

    Hopefully yesterday changes some things. Not convinced it will but Ill be here watching every possible game regardless.

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  • jakejc795
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    Originally posted by OldHare View Post
    I would encourage you to think about the conversations on this board that Coach Otz was exceeding scholarships with some of the offers. That is another area that this topic of attrition has surfaced before today. I apologize for trying to connect any dots on this topic which relates to Gentry. If you do not notice something different about the presser for Coach Otz, I would suggest that you watch as many of his pressers as possible and let me know what you notice. The stuff on this presser is not rumor and I do not think Coach Otz lost a contact that he was looking on the floor. I would challenge you to find any information from me that asks for Coach Otz's scalp. You will also be taxed to find anything that asked for another candidate. You will find that I do not buy the idea that the cupboard is bare and I am not buying the idea that 100% zone defense is effective in its current state and that I would hold the coaches accountable for that current state of affairs. It is their job to train and obtain results. I would suspect that the team has some written goals for this season and I would be surprised if they had any excuses in the index for the progress they have made thus far. The negativity I see is the denial of any lack of progress with the zone and line up.
    The issue is that your game of "connect the dots" is deliberately ignoring already connected dots; namely, TJ praising Cole and your continued refusal to acknowledge that he's had to replace basically an entire starting five. Moreover, you seem to contradict yourself in that you criticize surplus scholarship offers and failure to obtain results. Ever think that maybe extra scholarships offers were made because current players requested permission to explore transfer opportunities?

    As for trying to prove anything to you -- it seems you're a reveler in this "post-truth" world we live in, so I'll let you get back to parsing pressers for psychological tells (just please realize that sometimes looking down is simply looking at stats).

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  • SturgisJeff
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  • minnesotarabbit
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    Originally posted by OldHare View Post
    Omaha had a season tied high for made 3 point shots at 16. They shot 45.7% from long range. They were 50% at the 6:20 mark going 15-30. They finished 16-35 for the game. The Mavs average 22.9 3 point shots per game and average 35.5%. This is a recurring theme for our opponents and the 3 point shot. I would assume the coach would have some concern for the defense rather than look for more offense. Please explain what I am missing when I ask for defensive objectives after a 101-93 loss????
    I agree 100%. One other thing, what are the players thinking when they read in the newspaper that tj says they're not good at man to man. If you start hearing something enough, you start to believe it. At this time what their trying to do is the definition of insanity

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  • JACKGUYII
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    Originally posted by OldHare View Post
    Omaha had a season tied high for made 3 point shots at 16. They shot 45.7% from long range. They were 50% at the 6:20 mark going 15-30. They finished 16-35 for the game. The Mavs average 22.9 3 point shots per game and average 35.5%. This is a recurring theme for our opponents and the 3 point shot. I would assume the coach would have some concern for the defense rather than look for more offense. Please explain what I am missing when I ask for defensive objectives after a 101-93 loss????
    This!!

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  • OldHare
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    Originally posted by jakejc795 View Post
    I was disappointed when the rumors about Nagy leaving started and when he left and disappointed when Miller wasn't hired, but that had nothing to do with feelings toward TJ. I thought Miller may be willing to commit longer term due to ties, both at SDSU and SD in general.

    Rumor had it circumstances other than TJ's coaching ability impacted the Milwaukee hiring decision, but as with the assertion that TJ left Cole with a "see ya" -- whether Cole received a "pat on the back" is in question -- (which ignores the praise TJ offered to Cole on the record and on video no less), there's a troubling need to wallow in negativity. I wish the mods policed presser-related analysis and hiring rumors with the diligence they do the mere mention of transfers.
    I would encourage you to think about the conversations on this board that Coach Otz was exceeding scholarships with some of the offers. That is another area that this topic of attrition has surfaced before today. I apologize for trying to connect any dots on this topic which relates to Gentry. If you do not notice something different about the presser for Coach Otz, I would suggest that you watch as many of his pressers as possible and let me know what you notice. The stuff on this presser is not rumor and I do not think Coach Otz lost a contact that he was looking on the floor. I would challenge you to find any information from me that asks for Coach Otz's scalp. You will also be taxed to find anything that asked for another candidate. You will find that I do not buy the idea that the cupboard is bare and I am not buying the idea that 100% zone defense is effective in its current state and that I would hold the coaches accountable for that current state of affairs. It is their job to train and obtain results. I would suspect that the team has some written goals for this season and I would be surprised if they had any excuses in the index for the progress they have made thus far. The negativity I see is the denial of any lack of progress with the zone and line up.

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  • bigticket1
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    I'm disappointed in the season so far, but I'm also disappointed that a portion of the fan base has given up and is ready to throw a first time head coach under the bus 25% of the way through the conference season. You would think we are 4 games out of the last tourney slot with 4 games left to play. There are 3 other teams with one conference win, and one team with zero. I realize many of you miss Nagy (I do too), but it's time to realize he's not going to walk through our locker room door again by his own choosing. Will the Jacks turn it around ? None of us know, but I'm not ready to write them off quite yet. But it can happen - it might not be this season, but one bad season doesn't mean that will continue next year. After all, I'm also a Gopher fan. Everyone remembers what a s*it show last season was, both off and on the court. I was in Williams Arena when the Jacks pummeled them, as did USD and many others. People were ready to run Richard Pitino out of town. Last time I checked, this year's team is 14-2 and in third place in the Big Ten. So I'm not putting up the white flag quite yet.
    Last edited by bigticket1; 01-08-2017, 09:08 AM.

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  • Kemo
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    Originally posted by jakejc795 View Post
    I guess that's what has me confused. People seem to forget the down years during Nagy's tenure.
    I had those memories thoroughly repressed, but they seem to be surfacing for some reason.

    In all seriousness, TJ is not, nor should be fired for anything that happens on the court for the duration of his initial contract. We hired a coach with zero head coaching experience from outside the program, so we were going to experience some growing pains, they are just more painful than we probably would have liked. I've been critical and will continue to be critical of our poor defensive performances, but I'm not ready to burn the house down because of a leaky faucet just yet. Not even close.

    Coach Otz's strengths lie in his personality and ability to recruit, but running a program is something he hasn't done before and is still figuring out. I'd recommend pulling qualities from the Bennett branch of his coaching tree and focus first on stopping teams, then on scoring.

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  • jakejc795
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    Originally posted by BitsTD View Post
    I didn't read the whole thread, nor do I care about basketball 🏀. Did we lose to Omaha? Does that mean the Mavbots can come back on board and talk smack? It would be just desserts to those that thought TJ would be a godsend after being passed for the head job in his own backyard.


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    I was disappointed when the rumors about Nagy leaving started and when he left and disappointed when Miller wasn't hired, but that had nothing to do with feelings toward TJ. I thought Miller may be willing to commit longer term due to ties, both at SDSU and SD in general.

    Rumor had it circumstances other than TJ's coaching ability impacted the Milwaukee hiring decision, but as with the assertion that TJ left Cole with a "see ya" -- whether Cole received a "pat on the back" is in question -- (which ignores the praise TJ offered to Cole on the record and on video no less), there's a troubling need to wallow in negativity. I wish the mods policed presser-related analysis and hiring rumors with the diligence they do the mere mention of transfers.

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  • MontanaRabbit
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    Originally posted by BitsTD View Post
    I didn't read the whole thread, nor do I care about basketball ��. Did we lose to Omaha? Does that mean the Mavbots can come back on board and talk smack? It would be just desserts to those that thought TJ would be a godsend after being passed for the head job in his own backyard.


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    Drunk?

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  • BitsTD
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    I didn't read the whole thread, nor do I care about basketball 🏀. Did we lose to Omaha? Does that mean the Mavbots can come back on board and talk smack? It would be just desserts to those that thought TJ would be a godsend after being passed for the head job in his own backyard.


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  • OldHare
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    Originally posted by jakejc795 View Post
    No words on tape. Just on the screen -- like I said; unless you know that TJ said anything like what you typed above, you're being irresponsible, and if you do that to your wife, kudos to her for calling you on it.
    OK I do not know that he patted Cole on the back.

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  • jakejc795
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    Originally posted by OldHare View Post
    but think if your name was Cole Gentry and someone patted you on the back after 6 months and said good luck with your old coach.

    No words on tape. Just on the screen -- like I said, unless you know that TJ said anything like what you typed above, you're being irresponsible, and if you do that to your wife, kudos to her for calling you on it.

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