GDT: Jackrabbits vs Coyotes The Corn Showdown continues

[RabbitObsessed]

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The biggest difference I've seen between this years team and last years team isn't the defense. That would probably be second. The biggest difference is that we just don't have guards who can make plays. The only players on this team that can go get a bucket are Duam and sometimes Wallace. It makes us so much easier to defend than in previous years when we had guys who can make plays. The drought at the beginning of the 2nd half of last two games on offense caused our defense to get worse. And it comes because we just don't have guards who can make plays. We don't have George Marshall or Deondre or Bittle or Moffit to go make plays for us.

Good win though. I thought I was going to be watching a repeat of Wednesday.

[2002jack]

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las Vegas has you favored by 1.5

Vegas was wrong. Should have been -1. I bet Yotes and won $200.


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[thumper_76]

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The biggest difference I've seen between this years team and last years team isn't the defense. That would probably be second. The biggest difference is that we just don't have guards who can make plays. The only players on this team that can go get a bucket are Duam and sometimes Wallace. It makes us so much easier to defend than in previous years when we had guys who can make plays. The drought at the beginning of the 2nd half of last two games on offense caused our defense to get worse. And it comes because we just don't have guards who can make plays. We don't have George Marshall or Deondre or Bittle or Moffit to go make plays for us.

Good win though. I thought I was going to be watching a repeat of Wednesday.

Yup. Hope some folks are listening to the coaches show tonight. Some interesting stats thrown out there and Otz talked about why the zone.


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[bigticket1]

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As I've speculated here before, maximizing Daum's minutes and not wanting him to take the pounding he would get playing the 5 in a man defense are the main reasons. Otz said Daum was in foul trouble in 5 of the 6 games they played man. And we don't have enough offense to compensate if he has to sit.

[OldHare]

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Yup. Hope some folks are listening to the coaches show tonight. Some interesting stats thrown out there and Otz talked about why the zone.


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What is the information for those who did not hear the show?

[bigticket1]

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Otz also said that every team he has either played on or coached has playing almost entirely man defense, and that is what they had this team play throughout the off-season and leading up to the Pentagon games. But they then decided than that the best way for this team to compete was to play zone. They really hadn't practiced much zone before that, so they are kind of learning on the fly.

[OldHare]

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As I've speculated here before, maximizing Daum's minutes and not wanting him to take the pounding he would get playing the 5 in a man defense are the main reasons. Otz said Daum was in foul trouble in 5 of the 6 games they played man. And we don't have enough offense to compensate if he has to sit.

The pounding by the defense on Daum may have more weight in that argument. He takes a fair amount of abuse while playing offense. He fouled out against Wyoming in 35 minutes and Idaho in 31 minutes with OT. The first game against Cal he had 4 fouls playing against the 7 footers. The zone is not the biggest negative. The execution of the zone could have used a lot more polish earlier. The 1-3-1 was not the primary set against the yotes and that may have helped. It is no surprise that the offense runs through Mike Daum. The Jackrabbits need another contributor(s) to fit into the offense. It is too early to give up on the players expected to step up.

[thumper_76]

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What is the information for those who did not hear the show?

What bigticket said. That and we are shooting a much higher percentage on offense when we play zone and other teams are shooting a lower percentage. Also brought up by Tyler is despite of the panic about the amount of threes made per game against the zone we are giving up a massive two extra threes per game. Also mentioned one of the main reasons is also that we need as much energy available for Daum on the offensive end so part of it is to avoid him getting pounded on in the post with other teams trying to get him into foul trouble as well as keeping him out of foul trouble. He also said that playing zone isn't what he wants to do necessarily but it's what is the best way for this group of guys to win, and it's not about his ego and forcing man to man because that's what he's been around primarily in his coaching career.


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[thumper_76]

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Another thing he mentioned is the zone allows them to use guys they want to better that they wouldn't be able to in man to man due to matchup issues. Specifically mentioned Hess and a couple of others


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[bigticket1]

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In addition to Daum taking less pounding, Otz also said Telly benefits by not having to play the 4 in man defense and can play more minutes. I think they eventually put a re-broadcast of the coaches show up on the Jacks website if anyone wants to hear Otz's explanation.

[RabbitObsessed]

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Man, is sounds like he's put thought into this.

[filbert]

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I think at this point the causal fan could reasonable call out Hess--he was supposed to be the 3 point marksman, and from the games I've seen in person and on video, he . . . isn't.

**Somebody** needs to step up and be a reliable outside shot to complement Daum down low. This has not yet happened.

[bigticket1]

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Telly's 3 point % has also gone down every year from 42% as a freshman to just under 37% last year to 32.5 this season. You have to wonder if the pounding he takes playing out of position has maybe been part of the reason - the fact that he hasn't been injured with the number of violent charges he takes continues to amaze me.

[RabbitObsessed]

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I think at this point the causal fan could reasonable call out Hess--he was supposed to be the 3 point marksman, and from the games I've seen in person and on video, he . . . isn't.

**Somebody** needs to step up and be a reliable outside shot to complement Daum down low. This has not yet happened.

He's shooting 36% on nearly 7 attempts a game? That's not amazing, but that's definitely reliable enough to be considered efficient, especially for as many attempts as he's taking.

Our problem is that we just can't space the floor well enough to get good looks. You'd think with Daum getting doubled that wouldn't be an issue, but it is. We have too many guys who aren't threats to shoot, or really do anything on offense. Orris can't shoot. Flatten hasn't done anything to scare teams. King is limited. Same with El Darwich. Think of our great teams. Every person was a threat on offense, and it kept teams honest. We have at best 3-4 threats (generously) on the floor at a time, which leaves someone that teams can leave open.

Hess shooting 36% on 7 attempts a game is fine.

[RabbitObsessed]

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Telly's 3 point % has also gone down every year from 42% as a freshman to just under 37% last year to 32.5 this season. You have to wonder if the pounding he takes playing out of position has maybe been part of the reason - the fact that he hasn't been injured with the number of violent charges he takes continues to amaze me.

Just look at his attempts per game, and you'll find your answer. He was taking 4 attempts/game as freshman, 5 as a sophomore, and up to 7 this year. He could be selective before, now has to force. Combine that with almost no threat of penetration by our guards and he has less space.