Jordan Dykstra

[YanktonJack7]

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Sorry everyone. I did not mean to start an argument. I see this in both side's point of views. Jordan has certainly put up great numbers for SDSU, but he has disappeared at times. If he can win the SL tournament this year, then I think we can all agree about his status in terms of SDSU's all time greats.

[jackmd]

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Sorry everyone. I did not mean to start an argument. I see this in both side's point of views. Jordan has certainly put up great numbers for SDSU, but he has disappeared at times. If he can win the SL tournament this year, then I think we can all agree about his status in terms of SDSU's all time greats.

Don't apologize. Great discussion. Jordan is a great young man and I am thankful he is in a jackrabbit uniform no matter what happens on the court. He is everything that is right about college athletics and we are lucky to have a bunch of students and athletes like him at SDSU. Go Jackrabbits!!


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[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I've never really understood why posters feel the need to add sentences like the last one above. It's like saying "I'm right, and if you don't agree with me you obviously know nothing about the subject matter". So lame.

With that in mind, I'm not even going to attempt to debate this because your mind clearly won't be changed. I'll just say I'm in full agreement with Jackmd.

That's a good point, I probably should have excluded the last sentence.

I can't understand how a person would attempt to deny that Dykstra is an all time great when he is going to end up top 5 in scoring (I couldn't find where he stands rebounding wise, but it has to be top 10).

I guess if you're looking for "most memorable moments" in a career, Dykstra doesn't stack up with some of the other all time greats.

[bigticket1]

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People will say that Jordan would not have had the career that he has had without Nate which is true. But it is also probably true that without Jordan , the Jacks still would be looking for their first trip to the Big Dance , and without the national exposure that the Jacks and Nate received from the tournament appearances that Nate very well may not have been drafted. So,it is kind of a two-edged sword.

[goon]

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Did Nate benefit from Jordan more or did Jordan benefit from nate more? Nate did great his whole career, Jordan was always a huge part but nate was the star, this year shows Jordan is doing well taking on a bigger load as the go to guy. If he can keep from his disapearing acts like the Denver first half, his senior year will rival many great seniors we have had. If Jordan played with a pass first PG instead of score first PG maybe his numbers would be better, but its hard to argue one way or the other, but a guy his skill set is not a dime a dozen. His size to shoot the 3 as great as he can is a thing of beauty, and he can play down low with good post moves and rebounds etc. I think SDSU was lucky to get both Nate and Jordan. When its all said and done his career accomplishments wil rival only a few who ever played here.

My all time top fav SDSU players are Nate obviously, Jordan should seem rather obvious. Then Austin Hansen, Derrick Schantz, Andy Moeller if he wouldnt have transfered, Josh Cervany, and my 6th man off the bench would be cowboy Cody, he was just way to much fun to watch. I think he would try to dunk it every time he got the ball, and his ups were impressive, he would go for a block shot and send it 3 rows deep like spiking a volley ball. Plus he wore the Knee high socks so that was fun.

2nd team would be the Challahans, Kai, Matt Jones and Sarget. Apparently all of my favorites played since i started at state in 2000.

[Kemo]

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Jordan has been a fantastic player for us, but I think some fans under appreciate his production due the "Nate Wolters Effect."

Nate's consistency night-in and night-out makes us look at a player with Jordan Dykstra's ability and think he should be great every time out as well, but that is so rare in college basketball. Even the best college basketball players have "off" nights, but on Nate's "off" nights, he still managed to score 20 points and dish out 5 assists, where as Dykstra might only score 6-8 points. Jordan's "off" nights are normal for a team's star players, Nate's were not.

Jordan will go down as one of the best players to put on a Jackrabbit uniform, but his "greatness" is still to be determined.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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Interesting debate going on here.

I think what he is doing this year is amazing. Coming in to the season he was a Summit POY candidate and was the obvious choice for our biggest threat offensively.

For the first time he is playing without Nate. Nate obviously drew much of the attention last year from defenses and for good reason. He did it all as a point guard and did a great job of setting up his teammates.

So, for him to improve upon his numbers this year when he is the focus of the other team's defense is really impressive. He has really stepped it up on the rebounding side of things. Jordan is a mismatch for whoever is assigned to him. If he has a big on him he can take him outside. Put a smaller player and you can post him up.

My only knock, and it is a small one, is that there have been a few games where he just kind of disappears. Now, I'm not any basketball expert. There could be plenty of things that the other team does to make that happen. Others need to step up when that happens and they are. At Denver, he was pretty quiet for most of the game and then exploded in the last 20 seconds. He deserves big credit for what he did then (huge understatement). Overall, he has been very consistent this year and is continuing to raise his game in his senior season.

He will go down as one of the all-time SDSU greats without question. Top 5 in my book.

SUPERBUNNY

[Southeast]

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We've all noted the fact that he has "dissapeared" from time to time, but there is no arguing about the place of a guy that reaches top-5 status in both scoring and rebounding (I think he is currently 6th in rebounds). That is no accident. Dykstra was also a very integral part of the transition from the "dark days". He was a big-time recruit who probably helped us attract other recruits and the progress this team has made during his four years has been awesome. That timing makes his accomplishments pretty special to me as well.

[JackrabbitGuy]

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Was talking to my sister at the NDSU game and said to her that it has been amazing to have two all-time greats, Wolters and Dykstra, play with several years together. No matter where or if you rank him in certain place among the Jackrabbit greats, Dykstra has been a treat to watch and has contributed greatly.

For myself I would have him in the top 5 all time. Productive and efficient scorer, versatile, best 3 pt percentage shooter in school history, tough rebounder and defender. And all this against the best competition SDSU has ever faced and being a key player in first 2 NCAA tourney appearances in school history. That equals all-time great in my book.

[jackmd]

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We've all noted the fact that he has "dissapeared" from time to time, but there is no arguing about the place of a guy that reaches top-5 status in both scoring and rebounding (I think he is currently 6th in rebounds). That is no accident. Dykstra was also a very integral part of the transition from the "dark days". He was a big-time recruit who probably helped us attract other recruits and the progress this team has made during his four years has been awesome. That timing makes his accomplishments pretty special to me as well.

Got to play all 4 years including 3 with Nate Wolters. That will move you up the scoring and rebounding list. He is a top 15 player for sure, almost certainly top 10 and could make an argument for top 5. If he leads this team to a Summit League championship top 5 is a lock.

For me its not just individual scoring, rebounding or assist numbers. Its the success of the program in addition to individual accomplishments. Thats just me. Jordan has been an integral part of back-to-back Summit League championships teams with MVP Nate Wolters at the helm. If he can keep this years team rolling toward the Summit league title then he becomes top 5 all time for me.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Got to play all 4 years including 3 with Nate Wolters. That will move you up the scoring and rebounding list. He is a top 15 player for sure, almost certainly top 10 and could make an argument for top 5. If he leads this team to a Summit League championship top 5 is a lock.

For me its not just individual scoring, rebounding or assist numbers. Its the success of the program in addition to individual accomplishments. Thats just me. Jordan has been an integral part of back-to-back Summit League championships teams with MVP Nate Wolters at the helm. If he can keep this years team rolling toward the Summit league title then he becomes top 5 all time for me.

Please explain how playing with Wolters would move Dykstra up the rebounding list?

The playing with Nate thing is a two sided coin, IMO. How many of Nate's assists went to Dykstra? How many times did a defender have to stay on the perimeter to guard Dykstra while Nate penetrated for an and-1?

In my opinion, each made the other better. Nate's ceiling was just higher.

Dykstra is an all time great, IMO. Top 5 for sure.

[jackmd]

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Please explain how playing with Wolters would move Dykstra up the rebounding list?

The playing with Nate thing is a two sided coin, IMO. How many of Nate's assists went to Dykstra? How many times did a defender have to stay on the perimeter to guard Dykstra while Nate penetrated for an and-1?

In my opinion, each made the other better. Nate's ceiling was just higher.

Dykstra is an all time great, IMO. Top 5 for sure.

Missed by a little bit. Playing all 4 years including 3 with Nate Wolters, the combination will move you up the all time list. I would argue that having a dominant point guard and other back court players that take a lot of shots while making less than 50% of them allows for more rebound opportunities. That doesn't equal more rebounds and Jordan has proven that he is a great rebounder. Maybe even one of the top 5 greatest at SDSU.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Missed by a little bit. Playing all 4 years including 3 with Nate Wolters, the combination will move you up the all time list. I would argue that having a dominant point guard and other back court players that take a lot of shots while making less than 50% of them allows for more rebound opportunities. That doesn't equal more rebounds and Jordan has proven that he is a great rebounder. Maybe even one of the top 5 greatest at SDSU.

It might be worth noting that Dykstra has achieved his rebound numbers while playing on the perimeter a lot. Maybe could have had more if he played on a more "traditional" team. Not disagreeing, just food for thought.

Of course, statistically speaking, Jordan is having the best year of his career without Nate. Nate had the worst year of his career without Jordan... completely kidding (but its technically true).

I'll stick with my earlier statement that each made the other better, Nate's ceiling was just higher.

[JackrabbitGuy]

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It might be worth noting that Dykstra has achieved his rebound numbers while playing on the perimeter a lot. Maybe could have had more if he played on a more "traditional" team. Not disagreeing, just food for thought.

Of course, statistically speaking, Jordan is having the best year of his career without Nate. Nate had the worst year of his career without Jordan... completely kidding (but its technically true).

I'll stick with my earlier statement that each made the other better, Nate's ceiling was just higher.

Yes bit that is his skill set. No matter what the team makeup Jordan is special because of his versatility to play in the post and perimeter.

[NorCalJack]

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I know when the season started everyone was just going to give the POY award to Braun, but I think Jordan should be given serious consideration. At this time Jordan has scored 3 more points in conference play that Braun has.

So I was wondering if the POY is only based upon conference play or all of the games including the OOC games.

Anyway we need to start a campaign to get Jordan the POY award.