7 Man Rotation

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

If people think this season is rough so far, wait until next year when we have 3 players with significant experience.

Larson
Bittle
Broman

That's it folks. I'd love to hear an argument otherwise.

At some point a fresh Horstman has to be better than a gassed Carlson or White for crying out loud. But Horstman played 14 minutes last night against Montana, you say. Yep, because Bittle was hurt. If Bittle was available, Horstman would have rode the pine just like he did at LMU and USD. And we still would have had a 7 man rotation.

Some may argue that we will be 8 or 9 deep later in the season. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. We haven't had a deep rotation since the DII days, and its debatable that we had one then. We might as well face it: we aren't going to play more than 7 deep, regardless of personnel.

There is no reason for a short 7 man rotation this season, IMO.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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And another thing. As far as I can remember, Chad White, Dale Moss, and and Anthony Cordova are the only redshirted players in the DI era to amount to much. And White and Cordova had extenuating circumstances that led to their red shirts. As far as I can tell, if you aren't good enough to play (a lot) as a true frosh, you are probably never going to play much at SDSU. Why is that? It couldn't be because all the minutes worth of experience are eaten up by the previous crops of true freshman destined to play...

[discoDancinJackrabbit]

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Killer rant !

I thought it would be simple this year. Start Bittle at point get him pg experience so he's ready to roll the next 2 years. And then Carlson at 2, Chad, Dykstra, and Larson. Then bring Broman and Heemstra off the bench. Thought Donlan would be a significant factor but apparently he doesn't cut it :/

Then bring Horstman, Devine, and the other White in sparingly, but every game. Ugh now we are 0-3. A few guys aren't living up to expectations, Broman and Larson and Donlan. Then I'm sitting here trying to watch Carlson dominate the point which is beyond aggravating. Especially when you are so used to Wolters.

[RabbitObsessed]

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And White only redshirted because he got hurt. I never even thought about that. Not a good look.

[3ptJackrabbit]

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Holy crap. For a minute here I thought I'd logged on Gopherhole or something. I believe this is a WIP during the NC part of the schedule. Nothing to get too worried about just yet. It's not like the kids have forgotten to play or are overwhelmed but a general lack of experience is hurting the Jacks thus far. You look at a few plays and suddenly your 3-0 instead. I'm not sure what the rotation looks like mid-season but I will stunned if things haven't turned around significantly. Larson will be just fine. Broman is nervous for sure but like has been pointed out previously he's going to be fine. No reason to react at this point. You don't rebuild over night. The jacks lost more than Wolters from last year. Gotta start rebounding better is my thing and adjust to the rules. Too much foul trouble for a team find it's way early in the year.

[UWMandSDSU]

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And another thing. As far as I can remember, Chad White, Dale Moss, and and Anthony Cordova are the only redshirted players in the DI era to amount to much. And White and Cordova had extenuating circumstances that led to their red shirts. As far as I can tell, if you aren't good enough to play (a lot) as a true frosh, you are probably never going to play much at SDSU. Why is that? It couldn't be because all the minutes worth of experience are eaten up by the previous crops of true freshman destined to play...

Brayden redshirted. He was a walk-on his 1st year and then was on scholarship the rest. Redshirting him was the best thing for him. IMO, if Cordova would have not quit Heemstra would have redshirted.

[jack power]

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And another thing. As far as I can remember, Chad White, Dale Moss, and and Anthony Cordova are the only redshirted players in the DI era to amount to much. And White and Cordova had extenuating circumstances that led to their red shirts. As far as I can tell, if you aren't good enough to play (a lot) as a true frosh, you are probably never going to play much at SDSU. Why is that? It couldn't be because all the minutes worth of experience are eaten up by the previous crops of true freshman destined to play...

Moss never redshirted

[discoDancinJackrabbit]

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Holy crap. For a minute here I thought I'd logged on Gopherhole or something. I believe this is a WIP during the NC part of the schedule. Nothing to get too worried about just yet. It's not like the kids have forgotten to play or are overwhelmed but a general lack of experience is hurting the Jacks thus far. You look at a few plays and suddenly your 3-0 instead. I'm not sure what the rotation looks like mid-season but I will stunned if things haven't turned around significantly. Larson will be just fine. Broman is nervous for sure but like has been pointed out previously he's going to be fine. No reason to react at this point. You don't rebuild over night. The jacks lost more than Wolters from last year. Gotta start rebounding better is my thing and adjust to the rules. Too much foul trouble for a team find it's way early in the year.

haha Gopherhole?

I agree for the most part. But the whole if this happens or if that didn't happen is garbage imo. Just deal with reality, we are 0-3. And I'm not most concerned with the inexperienced guys not playing their best at this point. What is troubling is seeing how the offense is being run. Carlson off pick and rolls, and the team just tossing it around the perimeter incapable of making plays off the dribble. Its like Minnesota last year when we didn't have Nate. Don't you think this team will be at its best when/if Larson and Dykstra are dominating ? Run it through Larson in the post routinely and also Dykstra facing up or wherever for him, he's versatile. Because Carlson and White are great role players, but as go to guys not so much.

Though there's a process going on, can't just force it so soon.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I should have left the redshirt post out... I knew I was probably wrong. There may have been others as well. Did Monahan redshirt too?

Anywho, I'm not freaking out about 3 losses. I stated other threads that I think we will be fine by seasons end.

Just don't understand the short rotations we use when we have talent available. Against LMU we had 2 guys foul out and another with 4 fouls. Broman and Devine barely played, and Horstman didn't play at all. A short rotation hurt us Nate's freshman year, and it will hurt us again.

[jack power]

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I should have left the redshirt post out... I knew I was probably wrong. There may have been others as well. Did Monahan redshirt too?

Anywho, I'm not freaking out about 3 losses. I stated other threads that I think we will be fine by seasons end.

Just don't understand the short rotations we use when we have talent available. Against LMU we had 2 guys foul out and another with 4 fouls. Broman and Devine barely played, and Horstman didn't play at all. A short rotation hurt us Nate's freshman year, and it will hurt us again.

Apparently the "talent" doesn't cut it ....yet. I've been saying in the off season that i didn't see the depth that some others were. We had 3 players returning that played a ton of minutes last year and that wasn't going to change.I don't remember a recent Nagy team that had a lot of depth.

[SanDakotaState]

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Holy crap. For a minute here I thought I'd logged on Gopherhole or something. I believe this is a WIP during the NC part of the schedule. Nothing to get too worried about just yet. It's not like the kids have forgotten to play or are overwhelmed but a general lack of experience is hurting the Jacks thus far. You look at a few plays and suddenly your 3-0 instead. I'm not sure what the rotation looks like mid-season but I will stunned if things haven't turned around significantly. Larson will be just fine. Broman is nervous for sure but like has been pointed out previously he's going to be fine. No reason to react at this point. You don't rebuild over night. The jacks lost more than Wolters from last year. Gotta start rebounding better is my thing and adjust to the rules. Too much foul trouble for a team find it's way early in the year.

I completely agree. It early in the season. We lost the best player in school history and one of the best players ever to come out of the Summit League. This was expected. Give this team time. If we are still having problems come conference time, then its time to worry. And as far as Broman goes, he does looks nervous out there. Some of this shots are way off. And if he misses really bad, he wont shoot for the rest of the game. He just needs to gain some confidence and he will be fine. He averaged 40 points a game in HS. We all know he can shoot and score. Hopefully he gets lots of playing time against SW Minnesota State.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Apparently the "talent" doesn't cut it ....yet. I've been saying in the off season that i didn't see the depth that some others were. We had 3 players returning that played a ton of minutes last year and that wasn't going to change.I don't remember a recent Nagy team that had a lot of depth.

These are the guys who are good enough to warrant playing time pretty much every night (pretty much in order by minutes played):

Carlson
Bittle
White
Dykstra
Larson
Heemstra
Broman
Horstman
Devine

They have all seen significant stretches of playing time, although Broman, Horstman, and Devine minutes have been wildly inconsistent. That means the talent cuts it.

That's 5 guard/wing players and 4 posts. With the current rotation, heaven forbid anybody gets hurt, cause Devine or Heemstra will likely go from not playing at all to seeing 15+ minutes a night. It wold be much better if they got their 12 minutes now and upped it to 18 if somebody goes down. Just my opinion though, and I know the situation isnt' likely to change.

[TK22867]

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You don't rebuild over night.

Rebuild? God help us if we consider this a rebuilding year.

[jack power]

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These are the guys who are good enough to warrant playing time pretty much every night (pretty much in order by minutes played):

Carlson
Bittle
White
Dykstra
Larson
Heemstra
Broman
Horstman
Devine

They have all seen significant stretches of playing time, although Broman, Horstman, and Devine minutes have been wildly inconsistent. That means the talent cuts it.

That's 5 guard/wing players and 4 posts. With the current rotation, heaven forbid anybody gets hurt, cause Devine or Heemstra will likely go from not playing at all to seeing 15+ minutes a night. It wold be much better if they got their 12 minutes now and upped it to 18 if somebody goes down. Just my opinion though, and I know the situation isnt' likely to change.

Oh i agree. I noticed both Chad and Jordan "resting" on defense last night a few times. They're gassed. Also agree with your original premise that we aren't going to have much experience coming back next year if we don't start developing depth this year.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I completely agree. It early in the season. We lost the best player in school history and one of the best players ever to come out of the Summit League. This was expected. Give this team time. If we are still having problems come conference time, then its time to worry. And as far as Broman goes, he does looks nervous out there. Some of this shots are way off. And if he misses really bad, he wont shoot for the rest of the game. He just needs to gain some confidence and he will be fine. He averaged 40 points a game in HS. We all know he can shoot and score. Hopefully he gets lots of playing time against SW Minnesota State.

I'm not worried about this season. I think we will get the W/L column straightened out by the end of the year.

Next year's inexperienced squad could make this year's issues look like kids stuff, though. Getting 8-9 guys consistent minutes would be HUGE for next year, and shouldn't negatively impact this years success.