Bye-Bye, Bracketbusters

[jackrabit1]

No more Bracketbusters after 2013....

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...2012-13-season

[NoVaJack]

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And, according to this Whitney tweet, there may not be regular brackets for the Jacks this year, either.

Stu Whitney @stuwhitneyESPN's Bracketology now has Western Illinois as Summit League representative in NCAA men's tourney, fighting through First Four as 16 seed.

[joeboo22]

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I'm worried more about NDSU then W-Illinois

As far as Bracketbusters I just think in some ways it got too big, and in some ways it was too successful, Creighton, Northern Iowa, Gonzaga, and others are now house hold names. I do think though it helped teams like South Dakota St. with scheduling because of the return game the following year. That allowed for a game the following year with an opponent that was similar.

[rabidrabbit]

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WIU gets the nod at this time due to having 2 wins (on the road, yet) to be at top of Summit League standings. Has NOTHING to do with actual wins/losses/RPI of teams.

[OldHare]

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I'm worried more about NDSU then W-Illinois

As far as Bracketbusters I just think in some ways it got too big, and in some ways it was too successful, Creighton, Northern Iowa, Gonzaga, and others are now house hold names. I do think though it helped teams like South Dakota St. with scheduling because of the return game the following year. That allowed for a game the following year with an opponent that was similar.

It may be time for the Mid Majors to develop what the power conferences have developed with the conference challenge e.g. Big 10-ACC. Some thought the eastern teams may not want to travel from the Horizon or OVC, but the MVC might be a good substitute for the western schools to entertain that type of competition if another mid major conference was not wanting to travel.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I'm worried more about NDSU then W-Illinois

As far as Bracketbusters I just think in some ways it got too big, and in some ways it was too successful, Creighton, Northern Iowa, Gonzaga, and others are now house hold names. I do think though it helped teams like South Dakota St. with scheduling because of the return game the following year. That allowed for a game the following year with an opponent that was similar.

Creighton, Northern Iowa, and Gonzaga didn't become household names because of Bracketbusters, they became household names by making noise in the real tournament.

IMO, bracketbusters was a way for ESPN to create content to fill their channels, it has filled that role and they don't need/want it anymore. For most fans except the schools involved, SDSU playing Buffalo is barely a notch above the ping pong tournaments they showed in the early days of ESPN.

I expect a major conference to announce a deal with ESPN soon in an attempt to create their own TV network. Perhaps the Big 12, maybe Texas is realizing their actions are killing that conference.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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It may be time for the Mid Majors to develop what the power conferences have developed with the conference challenge e.g. Big 10-ACC. Some thought the eastern teams may not want to travel from the Horizon or OVC, but the MVC might be a good substitute for the western schools to entertain that type of competition if another mid major conference was not wanting to travel.

Sounds like a job for the Sioux Falls sports authority once the new events center is built... bring in 1 team from 16 conferences for a tournament played out to 16th place and utilizing the old arena for the losers bracket. Each team walks away with 5 quality games against other mid majors.

[zooropa]

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It may be time for the Mid Majors to develop what the power conferences have developed with the conference challenge e.g. Big 10-ACC. Some thought the eastern teams may not want to travel from the Horizon or OVC, but the MVC might be a good substitute for the western schools to entertain that type of competition if another mid major conference was not wanting to travel.

The MVC would not play the Summit because it wouldn't benefit their collective RPI.

[OldHare]

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The MVC would not play the Summit because it wouldn't benefit their collective RPI.

I would guess that nearly all the MVC teams have a game or two like SDSU playing SW Mn or DSU that could be replaced with a Summit game. And if the MVC is not a viable answer, the powers to be(Douple,etc.) may find a MAC or OVC to rotate if not every year. Like bringing Denver U in, those fellows ought to know that survival of the league is growth of the league. The SDSU people went to play 3 games in Hofstra against 2 competitve squads and a smaller school. The geography may be overstated when some talk about who does not want to come to the Dakotas(midwest). WIU, NDSU, OU, and SDSU are currently squads that might give a little bump to the concern of meaningful games. I would hope that the Summit League has the confidence to sell itself and continue to show real number improvements.

[jackdaniel]

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It may be time for the Mid Majors to develop what the power conferences have developed with the conference challenge e.g. Big 10-ACC. Some thought the eastern teams may not want to travel from the Horizon or OVC, but the MVC might be a good substitute for the western schools to entertain that type of competition if another mid major conference was not wanting to travel.

I like this,it gives incentive to become the better conference when it's head to head against another conference.It might even stimulate fan interest,for both conferences.I know the Big Ten has done it with other conferences,and they count the victory's in all games to determine an "unofficial, who is the better conference over-all."

[joeboo22]

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Sounds like a job for the Sioux Falls sports authority once the new events center is built... bring in 1 team from 16 conferences for a tournament played out to 16th place and utilizing the old arena for the losers bracket. Each team walks away with 5 quality games against other mid majors.

That might work for a year or maybe even two, but with all the tournaments going on these days it won't take long until it becomes hard to fill and even then will people show up to see less then house hold teams play against each other?

The MVC might have some less then quality opponents but they are at home, the Summit doesn't have a huge problem with quality away games, its getting quality home games, and I doubt the MVC would agree to any type of 1-1 with the Summit.

NBCSN has become pretty aggressive with college basketball and CBS' sports channel has as well. Wouldn't be surprised if something is developed within that.

[Andy Smith]

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No more Bracketbusters after 2013....

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...2012-13-season

Now that's interesting...

[OldHare]

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Now that's interesting...

If something is marketable to fill the void for the mid majors it will come. If it takes a SF Sporting Authority or similar entity, it will happen. Did you happen to notice that there will be some top high school players appearing at the Sanford facitilty near the airport this year. Some of the the Twin City powers will be playing. Give those private guys a chance and they will have an event. I still think that the Summit or another entity will make a marketable event come to fruition.

[UWMandSDSU]

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If something is marketable to fill the void for the mid majors it will come. If it takes a SF Sporting Authority or similar entity, it will happen. Did you happen to notice that there will be some top high school players appearing at the Sanford facitilty near the airport this year. Some of the the Twin City powers will be playing. Give those private guys a chance and they will have an event. I still think that the Summit or another entity will make a marketable event come to fruition.

The Sanford facility won't be complete until next fall. Are you talking about the Mike Miller classic in Mitchell or the classic at the Elmen Center?

[jackdaniel]

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Sounds like a job for the Sioux Falls sports authority once the new events center is built... bring in 1 team from 16 conferences for a tournament played out to 16th place and utilizing the old arena for the losers bracket. Each team walks away with 5 quality games against other mid majors.

I like the idea,but wouldn't that be five games committed out of a teams OOC schedule,how many days would it take?

The ACC VS Big Ten "challenge" ,or something similar would be more feasible in my opinion.That's set up as each individual game is scheduled,as part of the yearly schedule.I think each conference seeds their members by pre-season voting on who will be picked and where they will finish in conference play,like all conferences do each yr.So,1 vs 1,2 vs 2, etc,so that it's a true test of all teams in both conferences.
All games are evenly divided between home contests and away games.
All teams alternate from home to away games every other year,when possible,might be a little tricky scheduling some years.
All games are played within the same week and on the home teams regular venue floor.It only requires one game to be used each year of each teams OOC games.