Coach Nagy's take on the freshmen

[goon]

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Well it comes down to coaching philosphy. Not saying one is better then the other. Their are plwntly of womens programs that have no bench depth what so ever and rely on srtarters for 30+ minutes agame. On the same hand their are mens programs that always play 8 or 9 total every game and other only 6 or 7. Duke rarely has a deep bench. Even with talented or high potential guys. Same as nagy. If a guy proves he will play defense the way coaches wants and fits the system the coach will use them. Some programs develop the depth and play guys to figure it out others wait till they catch on towards soph or junior year to prove they need playing time. Some time nagy will play freshman out of nessicity but usually only if they are able to contribute right away.

[joeboo22]

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Close games hurt bench time as well, when games are close you want to generally play your experienced guys, or a specific matchup. You don't want to filter through 9 guys just to play 9 guys. I'm a big fan of the bench, and I would love to see Nagy use it more often, but with injuries and close games I can completely understand why he hasn't.

[witness]

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Last years Kentucky team played 7 guys. You don't play guys just to play them especially if you don't have the depth

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Last years Kentucky team played 7 guys. You don't play guys just to play them especially if you don't have the depth

LOL, comparing Kentucky to SDSU is like comparing men's and women's basketball. Kentucky's gameplan is to recruit a new batch of freshman blue chippers every single season. Players are developed to get them out of the program as quickly as possible, not to contribute down the road.

IMO, on our level playing time has to be driven by:

1)Win now
2)Win later

You play the horses enough to ensure you are winning now. Then you play the underclassmen to ensure they are good enough to help you win later.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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That is three minutes of my life I'm not getting back.

SUPERBUNNY

[witness]

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LOL, comparing Kentucky to SDSU is like comparing men's and women's basketball. Kentucky's gameplan is to recruit a new batch of freshman blue chippers every single season. Players are developed to get them out of the program as quickly as possible, not to contribute down the road.IMO, on our level playing time has to be driven by:1)Win now2)Win laterYou play the horses enough to ensure you are winning now. Then you play the underclassmen to ensure they are good enough to help you win later.

My point was you can win with 7 players as he said AJ success later in the same season is to empty the bench early on. Also, there is more to developing player than just playing time. Playing them as the only way to develop players is short-sighted. Players tend to transfer out of decent but not great mid-major mens program more so than a woman's program and that will be always be the case.

[Rabbitball]

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"You play to win the game...HELLO!" If Nagy thinks the best way to win is to play 7 guys, I'm all for it. People worry about guys getting worn down over the course of the season playing a short rotation, so I think the Kentucky example works perfectly for that. But yes, I agree that the development side of it is apples and oranges between the 2.

[Nidaros]

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Breaking news - Men's Basketball and Women's Basketball are different

Well they do play with a round ball. The women's ball is smaller so we found out a season or two ago, when it was used for a men's game.

[filbert]

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Well they do play with a round ball. The women's ball is smaller so we found out a season or two ago, when it was used for a men's game.

Other way around. Women played with a men's ball. Referees never noticed.

[RabbitObsessed]

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Do we have the talent at the end of the bench to play those players minutes? I don't think so. I'd rather the guys that are capable of playing at a high level play a high level of minutes. They are a great conditioned team for a reason.

[jacks1]

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Other way around. Women played with a men's ball. Referees never noticed.

Yup...I remember Muckenhirn tried to point it out several times to the refs in the first half. They finally switched the ball at halftime.

[Theee Catrabbit]

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That is three minutes of my life I'm not getting back.

SUPERBUNNY

It was pretty much like one of those endless facebook comment sections...the further you got into it the more you were thinking "what the hell am I wasting my time on here?"

[zooropa]

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Yup...I remember Muckenhirn tried to point it out several times to the refs in the first half. They finally switched the ball at halftime.

If that was the Centenary game, they never switched. The refs didn't say anything about it till some time in the second half, at which point both AJ & the Cent. coach agreed to just finish the game with that ball.

[boxerboy]

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It was pretty much like one of those endless facebook comment sections...the further you got into it the more you were thinking "what the hell am I wasting my time on here?"

Sorry, we wasted your time, next time change the channel.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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My point was you can win with 7 players as he said AJ success later in the same season is to empty the bench early on. Also, there is more to developing player than just playing time. Playing them as the only way to develop players is short-sighted. Players tend to transfer out of decent but not great mid-major mens program more so than a woman's program and that will be always be the case.

Kentucky's hopes of a "successfull" season are about nil if they have 1 or 2 serious injuries along the way. Just like the Jacks hopes of a "successful" season are greatly reduced if one of our top 6/7 gets hurt. I'm not saying playing others more will necessarily prevent injuries, but it could leave a team better prepared for when those injuries occur.

I'm having a hard time remembering somebody at SDSU that "developed" without at least 10-15 minutes of average playing time. Jason Sempsrott comes to mind, although he was just pretty much overlooked his first season or two. Maybe Jared Gass? Mark Engen?