Tennessee State

[Jacks-D1]

Re: Tennessee State

I don't think you're going to convince many people that Tenn St. is a power in Mens BB. I'm certainly not convinced. But it is a win, and a win over a D-1 program, and the first one, so it is important and a milestone. I think SDSU could have beaten many D-1 teams over the past 5 years or so. There are something like 300 D-1 Men's BB teams, and SDSU will get many wins over many of them in future years.

But I still don't think Tenn St. is a great team.

[89rabbit]

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I don't think anyone is saying that Tennessee State has a date with the Final 4, but they are also much better then a NAIA team.  TSU has an RPI ranking of #113 (of 332 D-I teams)  ahead of schools like Georgetown of the Big East at # 115, Miami of Fla. of the ACC at #116, Purdue of the Big Ten at #118, or Tennessee of the SEC at #120.  Tennessee State, while not a powerhouse, is a quality win on the road for the Jackrabbits IMHO.

http://kenpom.com/rpi.php

Go State!  ;D

[SDSUFAN]

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I don't think you're going to convince many people that Tenn St. is a power in Mens BB.  I'm certainly not convinced.  But it is a win, and a win over a D-1 program, and the first one, so it is important and a milestone.  I think SDSU could have beaten many D-1 teams over the past 5 years or so.  There are something like 300 D-1 Men's BB teams, and SDSU will get many wins over many of them in future years.

But I still don't think Tenn St. is a great team.

When I saw Tennessee State at the SDSU Barn, 1956, it was a segregated South, and they came north to make a point, that they belonged in NAIA. Tstate was the first HBC to be admitted to NAIA. The predominately white schools in the south kept all the HBC out of the NCAA and refused to play the HBC or any team that had people of color on their teams. So Fisk and the other HBC schools later became NAIA members. Once part of the NAIA, and in a few years later, the NCAA opened up to them particualily the College Division, D2 as we know it today.

I have read a little about the coach of then Tennessee A &I. McClendon I believe is his name in a Black Sports Encyclopedia, and when they came to the Dakotas on a road, to play it was a first in that they were accommodated in hotels that did not say Whites Only.

In 1954, Tenn St, Fisk, UND and another northern predominately white school whose name I dont recall stuck their neck out in having an invitational tournament I believe at Fisk.  This was the first in history in terms of HBC and white schools playing in the deep south.

I would tend to believe that Fisk is on Tennessee  State schedule every year and their rivalry and match up goes back to day one of basketball for HBC's.

Back then the HBC schools had a lot of talent including Richard Barnett, later an NBA pro, but with desegregation, many athletes move on to bigger and better schools so that did affect the HBC talent pool, although I have not done a search I believe Tennessee State has still done a good job competiting at the D1 level. Certainly not final four nor probably top 25, but they seem to get games with the schools listed earlier in the thread. I believe they are also due to play Iowa State.

No not a great team but a very good team and SDSU should not be put down for this win. End of sermon.

[sports_buff]

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I don't think anyone is saying that Tennessee State has a date with the Final 4, but they are also much better then a NAIA team.  [b];D

I guess it depends on what NAIA team you are talking about. The only NAIA team they played this year they beat in OT, so I guess you could say they are barely better than an NAIA team. I would love to see Tenn. St. play USF, that would be a battle for the ages. I was able to call this win for SDSU almost a month ago.

[89rabbit]

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So you think that USF vs Tennessee St. would be a great game huh? So I guess you would think that the Cougars would kill Purdue then. After all Purdue is 13 spots behind Tennessee St. in the current RPI rankings. :

http://kenpom.com/rpi.php

Go State! ;D

[sports_buff]

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So you think that USF vs Tennessee St. would be a great game huh?  So I guess you would think that the Cougars would kill Purdue then.  After all Purdue is 13 spots behind Tennessee St. in the current RPI rankings.  :

http://kenpom.com/rpi.php

Go State!  ;D

I cannot believe you are still using those RPI rankings as if they prove anything. When you show all the teams that Tenn. St. ranks ahead of in those RPI rankings it just shows how little they prove. You don't honestly think that Tenn St. is better than all those teams that it ranks ahead of in RPI, I know you don't. I know how you like to say that the selection committee uses them. I look foward to seeing if those RPI rankings are still the same when the season is done. Teams like Georgetown, Miami, and Purdue will improve their RPI just by losing to good teams. Don't get too excited about the RPI rankings just yet. A week or two ago you were showing us that the Missouri Valley was the 2nd or 3rd best conference out there, now it's already down to 8th. Those rankings prove very little and this early in the season they prove even less. I think it's hilarious that you keep quoting them.

[89rabbit]

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Your right the RPI is a joke, USF could beat Tennessee State, and the best teams in College basketball play in D-II. : Now go be a nice boy -pat on the head- and find a D-II site to play with.

[filbert]

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So you think that USF vs Tennessee St. would be a great game huh?  So I guess you would think that the Cougars would kill Purdue then.  After all Purdue is 13 spots behind Tennessee St. in the current RPI rankings.  :

http://kenpom.com/rpi.php

Go State!  ;D

Actually, having watched a couple of Purdue men's basketball games on TV this year, I can believe that TSU is ahead of them in the computer rankings. The Boilermakers are not a good basketball team this year.

[jackmd]

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I guess it depends on what NAIA team you are talking about. The only NAIA team they played this year they beat in OT, so I guess you could say they are barely better than an NAIA team.  I would love to see Tenn. St. play USF, that would be a battle for the ages.  I was able to call this win for SDSU almost a month ago.

Thanks for supporting the move to DI with posts like this. We all use to wish for the same things and now we are living that dream. SDSU is a DI university playing against DI teams and soon enough we will compete against those teams. That can't and won't be said for any other university in SD.

You are intelligent enough to recognize that, correct buff? I'll take all the beatings that come with the move up but I don't want to hear crap about who USF, USD, or Mount Marty might beat if they played them. Fact is they don't and they won't. So, get over it and bring something more intelligent to the board next time.

[1stRowFANatic]

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I hate to admit this, but I don't know a whole lot about how the RPI is computed. In the Tenessee State-Purdue case, will conference play significantly change how they are ranked? If I recall correctly, RPI is based on the games that have been played. If that is so, a bad-to-mediocre Purdue will continue to rise in the RPI during its conference schedule and Ten State will go down. Is that correct, or am I confusing the BCS strenght of schedule stuff.

[mrsports]

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 I'll take all the beatings that come with the move up but I don't want to hear crap about who USF, USD, or Mount Marty might beat if they played them.  Fact is they don't and they won't.  So, get over it and bring something more intelligent to the board next time.

No, USD doesn't play teams like Tenn. St., who you beat at their place. They play teams like Wayne St., who beat you by 26 at your place. It appears thats what sportsbuff was getting at. USD doesn't play D-I teams, but they play teams that are better than a lot, but not all, of the D-I teams SDSU has played. As SDSU has found out this year, just having D-I behind your name doesn't make you better than a DII school.

[jackmd]

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No, USD doesn't play teams like Tenn. St., who you beat at their place.  They play teams like Wayne St., who beat you by 26 at your place.  It appears thats what sportsbuff was getting at.  USD doesn't play D-I teams, but they play teams that are better than a lot, but not all, of the D-I teams SDSU has played.  As SDSU has found out this year, just having D-I behind your name doesn't make you better than a DII school.

Obviously this is what the buff is getting at. My point, what is the relevance? I have said many times that I think USD has the best men's BB team in the state this year regardless of division. I haven't tried to argue that head-to-head or vs common opponents that USD wouldn't fair as well if not better than SDSU this year. There still is no relevance to the argument that they could beat a DI team. USD is a DII school SDSU is DI, this is what is relevant. SDSU plays and will compete for DI championships.

No one here is interested in what might happen if U whatever played a DI opponent/schedule. Were too busy supporting SDSU as it does what those U's might wish they were doing. Trust me, I won't be wondering if we could have beaten Peru St. or USF.

Again, bring us something relevant. We all know USD has a good, not great, DII men's BB team and no one here wants to debate that. Waste our time with something else.

[mrsports]

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[quote author=jackmd link=board=sdsubb;num=1103545635;start=45#56 date=01/01/05 at 12:53:17]



No one here is interested in what might happen if U whatever played a DI opponent/schedule.  Were too busy supporting SDSU as it does what those U's might wish they were doing.  Trust me, I won't be wondering if we could have beaten Peru St. or USF.

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USD wishes they were getting kicked by DI and DII teams? ???
you won't have to wonder if State would beat Peru St. or USF, you can pretty much rest assure that you wouldn't, at least this year.

[jackmd]

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USD wishes they were getting kicked by DI and DII teams? ???
you won't have to wonder if State would beat Peru St. or USF, you can pretty much rest assure that you wouldn't, at least this year.

Juvenile and nearly exactly what I expected as a reply.

[1stRowFANatic]

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I'm probably going to regret this post, but what the heck.

I am interested in "what if" conversations. First discussing how other teams are doing and how SDSU would compete with those other teams is a way of judging where the Jacks are at and how far they have to go. Common opponents is one way of doing this, but final scores of those games are not the only part to be looked at. I would find these comparisons much more usefull if there were breakdowns of how/why one team won and the other team lost versus the common opponet.

Stating "we rock and you s*ck" is the type of thing that is a waste of time and probably are best left unanswered (I know I'm not perfect at leaving them unanswered, and at times I proposed it as a way to vent frustrations, see BSC rejection). Likewise, the response of "we're D1 and you aren't," IMO is similarly a waste of time. As JackMD correctly pointed out, this year USD fans have the best arguments as to who has the best team in SD, but I do believe that every USD fan knew that SDSU made the switch before they posted to the board.

However, posts like "our gaurds had 10 steals that resulted in 15 fastbreak points while your guards had 12 turnovers" would be beneficial. Then you can begin to determine things that may apply to the situations, was one game an up-tempo, run & gun affair as opposed to a half-court slow-paced game. Did injuries for any of the teams play a role in the outcome?

Because of this, I don't want to exclude all discussion of other teams from this board. I may be in a small minority on this, but that's what I think.