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  • #1

    Future of Nagy

    Nobody seems to want to discuss the elephant in the room after such a great season, the future of Coach Nagy.

    Coach Nagy makes 150K. A well funded mid-major could triple that, much less a major. That is a HUGE step up in lifestyle, probably beyond the comprehension of most people. That kind of money means going from driving a 5 year old chevy to your kids taking BMW to their private high school.

    He is also very competitive, and I think he would go to the highest level possible to test himself against the best of the best.

    Add to that the fact that SD doesn't have multiple year contracts.

    I have a ton of respect for him and what he has done for the program, but he will be gone with the first offer to a decent situation paying over 300K. If not, he is part of a different kind of 1% already.

    I hope time proves me wrong.
    “I used to be with it. But then they changed what it was. Now what I’m with isn’t it, and what’s it seems scary and wierd. It’ll happen to you.” — Abe Simpson
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  • #2
    Re: Future of Nagy

    I think he stays at least one more year for Nate's senior year. After that, it wouldn't surprise me if he left.
    Originally posted by JackFan96
    Well, I don't get to sit in Mom's basement and watch sports all day

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    • #3
      Re: Future of Nagy

      Originally posted by SF_Rabbit_Fan View Post
      Nobody seems to want to discuss the elephant in the room after such a great season, the future of Coach Nagy.

      Coach Nagy makes 150K. A well funded mid-major could triple that, much less a major. That is a HUGE step up in lifestyle, probably beyond the comprehension of most people. That kind of money means going from driving a 5 year old chevy to your kids taking BMW to their private high school.

      He is also very competitive, and I think he would go to the highest level possible to test himself against the best of the best.

      Add to that the fact that SD doesn't have multiple year contracts.

      I have a ton of respect for him and what he has done for the program, but he will be gone with the first offer to a decent situation paying over 300K. If not, he is part of a different kind of 1% already.

      I hope time proves me wrong.
      Tried to get a discussion going on this on the game thread earlier.
      Nagy's post-game comment sure makes it sound differently from your prediction: "I told our players, a year from now I want to be standing here celebrating a victory rather than feeling like this,” said Nagy, whose team shot 10-for-30 from 3-point range.

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      • #4
        Re: Future of Nagy

        Originally posted by RabbitObsessed View Post
        I think he stays at least one more year for Nate's senior year. After that, it wouldn't surprise me if he left.
        If he didnt leave before or during the transition, I would think he would stick around awhile. It was along time building this program and hopefulyl we can stay at this high level and make the dance more years then not, but hopefully we can pay him more for what he deserves then. unless it would be a dream job or a highly established program I dont see it happening.
        "The most rewarding things you do in life, are often the ones that look like they cannot be done.” Arnold Palmer

        Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.

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        • #5
          Re: Future of Nagy

          How well do you know Coach Nagy? He isn't leaving for a bigger paycheck. I'm not saying he is going to retire a Jackrabbit but I am saying he isn't leaving for a paycheck.

          If he is offered an opportunity to mold young men's minds and do so in a community that is as family friendly and safe as Brookings, SD and its a better opportunity than the one he currently has he might go. Illinois or very near by would be the most likely destination.

          There are lots of people who are happy to make less money to remain in a situation that they are very happy (trust me, I know and we are talking a lot of money).
          We are here to add what we can to life, not get what we can from life. -Sir William Osler

          We do not see things as they are, we see things as we are.

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          • #6
            Re: Future of Nagy

            What is coach's second oldest son- a sophomore ? I think it was mentioned on here that he may be the most talented basketball-wise. If Nagy doesn't leave now,I can't see him considering another job until son #2 is done with high school,which would be in 2 years.

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            • #7
              Re: Future of Nagy

              Originally posted by goon View Post
              If he didnt leave before or during the transition, I would think he would stick around awhile. It was along time building this program and hopefulyl we can stay at this high level and make the dance more years then not, but hopefully we can pay him more for what he deserves then. unless it would be a dream job or a highly established program I dont see it happening.
              Your first point doesn't make much sense. He will most likely have more opportunities now than during the transition. More opportunities = better chance that he leaves. I'm not saying that he will leave; it just wouldn't surprise me if he did. It wouldn't surprise me if he stayed for 20 more years, either. The only thing that would truly shock me is if he left between this season and next.
              Originally posted by JackFan96
              Well, I don't get to sit in Mom's basement and watch sports all day

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              • #8
                Re: Future of Nagy

                The only person who really knows is . . . well, nobody, really. I was going to say "the only person who knows is Nagy himself" but the truth of the matter is that even he can't say, for sure, what his future holds.

                I understand the motivation of people who want to "discuss" this, but at it's core, the discussion is really quite pointless, mainly because it goes on in an almost information-free environment. Unless you're a close, personal, intimate friend of Scott Nagy, you probably have approximately zero real idea what he wants out of his career going forward into the future.

                All of us can build straw-man "Nagy thinks X" or "Nagy would likely do Y" but in the end it's all pretty much gobbledegook.

                Some people can't wait to run off the coach because he's not winning, and others seem eager to fire up the rumor/speculation mill because he is winning.

                "Those who talk don't know, and those who know aren't talking."

                IMHO, of course.

                Carry on.
                "I think we'll be OK"

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                • #9
                  Re: Future of Nagy

                  Originally posted by RabbitObsessed View Post
                  Your first point doesn't make much sense. He will most likely have more opportunities now than during the transition. More opportunities = better chance that he leaves. I'm not saying that he will leave; it just wouldn't surprise me if he did. It wouldn't surprise me if he stayed for 20 more years, either. The only thing that would truly shock me is if he left between this season and next.
                  IMO it does, so every coach is going to sit around for 4 years with out post season play struggle recruiting and like Nagy ruin his career record and worry about getting fired because how challenging it has been. He didnt have to stay and there was no garuntee it would get turned around like it did. I think its silly too assume so. If we hade 1 more rough year even 2 years ago could have been more then enough to make a change, but SDSU stuck with him and he could have left. I dont think a coach has to wait to get media attention to be qualified for being a coach who deserves a better job. He easily could have left for a different D-2 or assnt and move up the chain and not struggle through the hardest challenge a coach could face in a career. The money he makes in Brookings is not bad money. I think some people feel taht every is going to choose like Pujols and Arod and just take the money. There is a lot to consider when changing jobs and money is not the only deciding factor.
                  "The most rewarding things you do in life, are often the ones that look like they cannot be done.” Arnold Palmer

                  Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Future of Nagy

                    Originally posted by goon View Post
                    IMO it does, so every coach is going to sit around for 4 years with out post season play struggle recruiting and like Nagy ruin his career record and worry about getting fired because how challenging it has been. He didnt have to stay and there was no garuntee it would get turned around like it did. I think its silly too assume so. If we hade 1 more rough year even 2 years ago could have been more then enough to make a change, but SDSU stuck with him and he could have left. I dont think a coach has to wait to get media attention to be qualified for being a coach who deserves a better job. He easily could have left for a different D-2 or assnt and move up the chain and not struggle through the hardest challenge a coach could face in a career. The money he makes in Brookings is not bad money. I think some people feel taht every is going to choose like Pujols and Arod and just take the money. There is a lot to consider when changing jobs and money is not the only deciding factor.
                    tl;dr

                    Hope Nagy stays forever. Time to enjoy the weather!
                    Originally posted by JackFan96
                    Well, I don't get to sit in Mom's basement and watch sports all day

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                    • #11
                      Re: Future of Nagy

                      Originally posted by jackmd View Post
                      How well do you know Coach Nagy? He isn't leaving for a bigger paycheck. I'm not saying he is going to retire a Jackrabbit but I am saying he isn't leaving for a paycheck.

                      If he is offered an opportunity to mold young men's minds and do so in a community that is as family friendly and safe as Brookings, SD and its a better opportunity than the one he currently has he might go. Illinois or very near by would be the most likely destination.

                      There are lots of people who are happy to make less money to remain in a situation that they are very happy (trust me, I know and we are talking a lot of money).
                      How well did you read my original post? Money was only a part of the points I made.

                      He is the only person that can define a decent situation and a better opportunity. Money, community, the school's commitment to basketball and its history, geography, etc.

                      There are lots of people who are happy to make less money to stay happy where they are, but I would argue that there are far more who would jump ship at the chance to make more. Otherwise the lottery wouldn't exist.
                      “I used to be with it. But then they changed what it was. Now what I’m with isn’t it, and what’s it seems scary and wierd. It’ll happen to you.” — Abe Simpson

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                      • #12
                        Re: Future of Nagy

                        Originally posted by SF_Rabbit_Fan View Post
                        How well did you read my original post? Money was only a part of the points I made.

                        He is the only person that can define a decent situation and a better opportunity. Money, community, the school's commitment to basketball and its history, geography, etc.

                        There are lots of people who are happy to make less money to stay happy where they are, but I would argue that there are far more who would jump ship at the chance to make more. Otherwise the lottery wouldn't exist.
                        Lottery is a small risk big reward. Career change is a little bit more complex. Is there a change just to change or a better situation for everything you listed or a reason why he would need to leave. My guess is he will probably be looking at some nice raises if he gets us dancing or advancin in the tourney.
                        "The most rewarding things you do in life, are often the ones that look like they cannot be done.” Arnold Palmer

                        Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Future of Nagy

                          IMHO he won't even consider another job until his son that's a sophomore graduates but he also has a younger daughter too so who knows for sure. It would be tough to turn down that much money but Nagy seems like a guy that doesn't do things just for the money. But hey, I would rather have fans talking about if hes going to leave because we are winning than if he's going to get fired for losing, so I really don't mind it too much.
                          "This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time." -Tyler Durden

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                          • #14
                            Re: Future of Nagy

                            Originally posted by goon View Post
                            IMO it does, so every coach is going to sit around for 4 years with out post season play struggle recruiting and like Nagy ruin his career record and worry about getting fired because how challenging it has been. He didnt have to stay and there was no garuntee it would get turned around like it did. I think its silly too assume so. If we hade 1 more rough year even 2 years ago could have been more then enough to make a change, but SDSU stuck with him and he could have left. I dont think a coach has to wait to get media attention to be qualified for being a coach who deserves a better job. He easily could have left for a different D-2 or assnt and move up the chain and not struggle through the hardest challenge a coach could face in a career. The money he makes in Brookings is not bad money. I think some people feel taht every is going to choose like Pujols and Arod and just take the money. There is a lot to consider when changing jobs and money is not the only deciding factor.
                            The money he makes is great for Brookings, but not so much compared to his peer group. Even with cost of living factored in, there is no comparing 150K to 500K.

                            TV reported the average from last year's tournament coaches was well over $1 million a year.

                            Jim Molinari at WIU supposedly has an 8 year deal for $1.1 million and Kampe at Oakland is said to make around 170K for comparison (I would guess there are bonuses in each of their contracts, too).

                            Another factor to discuss, the 1 year contracts are a bad double edged sword when it comes to retaining coaches.

                            #1 - Coaches have no gaurantee of future income, something they can easily have in almost any other situation.
                            #2 - Coaches are seen as a better deal or easier pickings for potential suitors because there is no contract to buy out.
                            “I used to be with it. But then they changed what it was. Now what I’m with isn’t it, and what’s it seems scary and wierd. It’ll happen to you.” — Abe Simpson

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                            • #15
                              Re: Future of Nagy

                              Multiple year contracts don't really bother the coaches at SDSU. For what it will take to get fired at SDSU, you will get fired anywhere and prolly not be eligible for the rest of your contract. So multiple year contracts don't mean much.

                              Getting the vibe from Nagy if Illinois called (which they won't) he'd take it. If another school in Illinois called and offered (he'd consider it). Anywhere else unless its high major, he'd answer the phone but that is about it.

                              He makes $150K now, I'm thinking if SDSU could get that above $200K it'd be good.

                              I'm more concerned about assistants leaving.

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