Arkansas State Indians

[jackmd]

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Thats the problem we're having right now, guard play.  Look at the problems, no three point threat (which leads to a zone defense that hurts our inside presence), around 20 turnovers a game (caused by bad feeds, guards being unable to handle full courts presses), other team shooting threes (guards can't defend the line).  We already have the inside presence that we need, and these guys are only going to be more dominant when theres a three point threat on the outside.  If you guys are getting discourged this season, just think what we could have if moeller was playing this season.  If there was a zone defense he would have killed them with threes this year.  Maybe everyone will think that I'm stupid but the differecnce between this team getting killed and being very competitive is having two reliable gaurds.  Don't think that Nagy doesn't know this either, I would expect the signing of a juco gaurd, or an excellent highschool player for next year, depending on how good cadwell is.

Nail on the head. Guard play is the absolute most important part of the DI game. Just as St. Joe's, they lost their guards and they are terrible this year. All the top teams have excellent guard play.

Our current talent in the backcourt is the lowest I have ever seen it. Nagy needs to get a JUCO guard in here next year. Even if one of the red-shirts is talented we have nothing else to support him. I say take a risk on any JUCO guard. The experience is more than we currently have.

[Texas_Jacks_Fan]

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rabbit 85 is right on the money. I've heard from people "in the know" that Cadwell is VERY good.

[JACKGUYII]

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Speaking of Andy Moeller he just hit two threes in the last minute and a half to help beat USD 86-78. He always enjoyed playing and beating the Coyotes. Mavericks had a record crowd of 4900.

[JBNJBQ]

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It's always fun to see USD lose.

[Dakota]

Holdren Scores 23 But Jacks Lose At Arkansas State


01/29/2005
Holdren Scores 23 But Jacks Lose At Arkansas State
JONESBORO, AR - Arkansas State led by 14 at halftime, then blew the game wide open in the early minutes of the second half as the team which leads the East Division of the Sun Belt Conference defeated South Dakota State 88-61in men’s basketball Saturday afternoon.

ASU led 39-25 at halftime, and was up 51-31 three minutes into the second half, stretching it to 70-35 when Dewarick Spencer hit his sixth three-pointer of the game with 11:22 to play.

Arkansas State is now 13-7 overall while SDSU fell to 5-14. The Jacks will host Winona State Tuesday.

Freshman Steve Holdren led the Jacks with a career high 23 points (previous best 22 vs. Mayville State) and also led the team in rebounds, with eight. Ben Beran added 13 points and Joe Green 12 points.

Green scored the first basket of the game giving SDSU a 2-0 lead, but Arkansas State ran off 11 in a row. The Jacks were within 16-9 before reserve Jerry Nichols hit back-to-back threes and Arkansas State broke to a 22-9 lead.

Arkansas State, now 13-7 for the season, shot 50 per cent (32x64) including 10-of-21 on three-point shots. SDSU, meanwhile, shot 41 per cent (21x51) and was just 4-of-16 on three-point attempts. ASU also had a 37-30 rebounding advantage.

Arkansas State 88, South Dakota State 61
South Dakota State (5-14)
Steve Holdren 10-16 3-4 26, Joe Green 4-9 3-6 12, Ben Beran 3-9 4-4 10, Luke Geiver 0-2 2-2 2, Brady Hokenson 0-4 0-0 0, Mackenzie Casey 0-1 0-0 0, Andy Kleinjan 1-6 0-0 2, Ben DeWaard 0-0 0-0 0, Jared DeJong 1-2 3-6 5, Michael Loney 2-2 0-0 4. Totals 21-51 15-22 61.

Arkansas State (13-7)
Lorenzo Hampton 6-9 0-0 12, Kitus Witherspoon 2-2 2-4 6, Dewarick Spencer 9-16 1-1 25, J.J. Montgomery 5-12 8-9 18, Derek Tipler 3-5 0-0 6, Andre King-Holland 0-0 0-0 0, Jerry nichols 2-7 3-3 9, Joseph Bailey 0-1 0-0 0, Yual Banks 1-1 0-0 2, Tyler King 0-1 0-0 0, Evgueni Sokolov 0-1 0-0 0, Isaac Wells 3-8 0-0 8, Theo Little 1-1 0-0 2. Totals 32-64 14-17 88.

Halftime: ASU 39, SDSU 25.

FG% - SDSU .412, ASU .500.
3-pt FG - SDSU 4-16 (Holdren 3-6, Green 1-4, Geiver 0-1, Hokenson 0-2, Kleinjan 0-3), ASU 10-21 (Spencer 6-9, Wells 2-4, Nichols 2-5, Montgomery 0-1, Bailey 0-1, Sokolov 0-1).
Rebounds - SDSU 30 (Holdren 8), ASU 37 (Witherspoon 5, Wells 5).
Fouls - SDSU 15, ASU 20. Fouled out - ASU Nichols.
Assists - SDSU 9 (Hokenson 2, Green 2, Kleinjan 2, Loney 2), ASU 19 (Tipler 6).
Steals - SDSU 5 (Geiver, Hokenson, Holdren, Beran Kleinjan 1), ASU 11 (Spencer 4).
Blocked shots - SDSU 4 (Green, Beran, Loney), ASU 4 (Witherspoon 2).
Turnovers - SDSU 18, ASU 12.
Attendance - 3,141.




http://www3.sdstate.edu/Athletics/Ne...cfm?Id=46,4043

[filbert]

Re: Arkansas State Indians

Frustration alert . . . rant coming up . . . I wasn't able to listen to the Ark. state game, but some of the stats just drive me crazy.

4 of 16 from the 3, 21 of 51 total (or, 17-35 taking away the 3 pointers . . . just under 50%. Still bad.)

Fouls: SDSU 15, ASU 20.

ASU up 11-2, 16-9, 22-9 in the first half.

SCORE BY PERIODS: 1st 2nd Total
South Dakota State......... 535 713 - 1248
Opponents..................... 674 713 - 1387

We're consistently getting clobbered in the first half, and then playing even in the second half (when the good teams have let up a bit and are maybe even playing their bench).

Here's what I want to see the rest of this season.
Strap it on, go out, and punch some opponents in the face (figuratively, not literally) right from the opening tip. Start pressing teams from the time they come out of the locker room. I wouldn't mind seeing two or three Jacks foul out each game the rest of the season, maybe once or twice have someone foul out in the first half. Throw out the "get two fouls in the first half and sit" coaching rule -- by the time the second half comes it is too late. Concentrate on playing tight defense the rest of this year and set that aggressive mindset going into next year.

Go out and win the first four minutes of each game (to the first media timeout). Then win the next four minutes. Then win the next. Etc.

If the other team has better players, make them prove it--in the SECOND HALF. This stuff about letting teams get big leads in the first half has to stop. How many inferior teams have come into Frost and given SDSU a good game for a half before running out of gas in the 2nd half? Bunches. It's the old "hanging around" rule, the longer you can hang around, the more pressure you put on the "better" team to execute down the stretch.

Oh, and give the 3 pointers a rest, this team can't hit them reliably enough to depend on them -- more often than not all the 3-point shot does is give the opponent an easy rebound. I wouldn't sit anyone down for fouling, but I'd sure as heck sit them for missing a 3 that the opponent rebounds, or for missing a free throw.

You wanna play, then you play defense, you pass and pass and pass to get the easy shot, you rebound, you make your free throws.

Aggressive, aggressive, aggressive, aggressive.

Done ranting. For now.

[JACKGUYII]

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I'm beyond ranting anymore. What is that old saying "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting to get a different result".