Naters Gonna Nate

[witness]

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For those wondering, this is the move Nate put on Myck Kabongo and made the Day 1 highlights at the Combine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjkcG7HUzgE
Fast forward to 0:14 mark.

[witness]

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I don't think anybody really knows where he is going. All you need is a team or two to fall in love you

[joeboo22]

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I see Nate going to Portland with the 40th pick overall.

That's a popular prediction: Nate Tibbits is an assistant, and they drafted Lilliard out of a small school as well.

From the rumors I've heard, and its all very subject to change, but he could go as high as 21 to Utah, and as low as the Lakers at 48.

If I had to narrow it down, I'd go 31-43, because I'd be surprised if he got past Milwaukee. You have Cleveland who has multiple picks, Portland who has multiple picks, Houston is there (McHale-Minnesota guy), 76ers appear to be looking for a PG, Memphis could use some scoring, OKC could use a backup PG, that is where it I see a ton of interest.

First round, and some trades could happen and then everything changes. But Utah is an obvious fit, they need PG depth, have already shown interest, etc. Indiana- Summit League territory, already have a fmr SL player in George Hill, Minnesota- I doubt it, as they need more of a 2 guard, but hometown, etc. San Antonio- drafted George Hill, could use some PG depth, Phoenix- who knows with them, no pick would surprise me there.

All of this being said, outside the lottery it gets crazy difficult to predict, because Europe goes into play where you can draft guys out of Europe where they can hold their rights for years, and have them develop without paying them anything. Compared to making a selections of a guy where a decision has to be made in October.

[Just in the crowd]

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I see Nate going to Portland with the 40th pick overall.

[TK22867]

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Address posts, not posters.

Right back at ya Hoss!

Jay Williams does a fine job for ESPN. I can't remember the source, but I remember reading that ESPN had been very happy with his work and was grooming him for bigger things. Sure he might have made a mistake, but what television personality hasn't?

[filbert]

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You really do hate everything Duke don't you?

Address posts, not posters.

[TK22867]

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In his defense, Jay Williams is an idiot. Worst commentator currently at ESPN for college basketball as far as I'm concerned.

EDIT: I see people are now saying it wasn't Jay Williams who made the comment. The point remains, however, Jay Williams is awful.

You really do hate everything Duke don't you?

[goon]

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"Poor man's Kirk Hinrich", though? That's just dumb.

And I agree with Witness; in fact, I would go beyond what he said: I think NBA talent scouts are, as a group, the worst in professional sports.

Every NBA draft, it seems, has two or three "Ryan Leaf" level flameouts. Some player with plenty of measurables and few if any intangibles.

I would say baseball probably would be the hardest to be a scout. there are so many first rounders in baseball that cant hack and it and guys going 15th round or later and they are supertstars after a few years.

[joeboo22]

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"Poor man's Kirk Hinrich", though? That's just dumb.

And I agree with Witness; in fact, I would go beyond what he said: I think NBA talent scouts are, as a group, the worst in professional sports.

Every NBA draft, it seems, has two or three "Ryan Leaf" level flameouts. Some player with plenty of measurables and few if any intangibles.

NBA is just a different sport, its not scouts, more style of play and Europe. Football would have more Ryan Leafs if every backup QB had a big contract in Europe to jump to at first sign of problems. Also way fewer spots, different systems and until recently no developmental leagues.

Saying poor man or rich man is dumb, but its what people do. Comparing Nate to Kirk Hinrich is a fair comparison, they are both very similar players. And I don't mean that because they are mid-west white guys either. And not the Kirk Hinrich of today, more the Hinrich of Kansas/lottery pick. They are tall, combo guards who are more athletic then given credit for, who can create, rebound and dish the ball, but aren't terrible shooters either.

Getting conflicting reports on how many meetings Nate has set up. Terry reporting that Nate had 4 meetings last night (Orlando, Milwaukee, Cleveland and Lakers). but only has 4 others set up. Miami, Dallas, Brooklyn and Washington. Not doubting what Nate told Terry. But in general be careful with reported meetings. Some teams ask that meetings stay private. And just because a team is meeting with a player doesn't mean they are necessarily interested. Its all a game.

[zooropa]

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I thought he made a good comparison to Kirk Hinrich.

"Poor man's Kirk Hinrich", though? That's just dumb.

And I agree with Witness; in fact, I would go beyond what he said: I think NBA talent scouts are, as a group, the worst in professional sports.

Every NBA draft, it seems, has two or three "Ryan Leaf" level flameouts. Some player with plenty of measurables and few if any intangibles.

[KUlawJack]

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That was Jay Williams that tried to recover,what a tacky move. That said, i thought the general consensus of that group of talking heads was that Nate IS a NBA player, could make a roster,probably a early 2nd. round pick.

In his defense, Jay Williams is an idiot. Worst commentator currently at ESPN for college basketball as far as I'm concerned.

EDIT: I see people are now saying it wasn't Jay Williams who made the comment. The point remains, however, Jay Williams is awful.

[joeboo22]

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That was Ryen Rusillo that said San Diego State and them made a correction and said "The Pride of South Dakota State put a good move on Kabongo" or something like that. Seriously, they said and showed Kabongos low shooting numbers, and then Wolters put him on skates which lead them to saying he's not known for his defense. Smh. TV talked about how Nate has tweaked his jumper and most people I've seen on twitter have said his jumper is smooth and much bigger than they thought. General consensus from the analysts at the Combine was early second round and Seth Davis said he is the biggest sleeper in the class.

Wolters has deceptive speed and knows when to change gears and he showed that when he put Kabongo on skates. All in all he got some good TV time and tomorrow will be a more important day for him as well as the private workouts. Personally, I think some of the biggest reasons busts occur is because NBA scouts focus too much on their athletic ability and potential but don't look at what his lowest ceiling can be.

I thought it was Katz, I know it was Russilo who said pride of South Dakota. It was hard to tell because there was no one on camera. But it wasn't Jay Williams.

From most reports though Wolters is graded higher then Kabango

[witness]

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They were different, it was Katz, who knows who South Dakota St. is, but continues to say San Diego St. when on camera, who said that. It was Jay Williams who was talking about Wolters foot speed. IDK, I thought he made a good comparison to Kirk Hinrich. That is who I compare him to. Foot speed will be an issue no doubt. But I don't know if its a big thing. NBA scouts are very different. I've seen them on twitter. and I've got one saying Nate will measure out well, and another saying he will measure poorly. I've got people saying they love his jumper, while others say his jumper needs work. Overall though from the scouts and reporters I've heard Nate did pretty well on the first day. But its like anything, where you have guys who love a player and guys who don't like a player much. They are right on some and wrong on others.

That was Ryen Rusillo that said San Diego State and them made a correction and said "The Pride of South Dakota State put a good move on Kabongo" or something like that. Seriously, they said and showed Kabongos low shooting numbers, and then Wolters put him on skates which lead them to saying he's not known for his defense. Smh. TV talked about how Nate has tweaked his jumper and most people I've seen on twitter have said his jumper is smooth and much bigger than they thought. General consensus from the analysts at the Combine was early second round and Seth Davis said he is the biggest sleeper in the class.

Wolters has deceptive speed and knows when to change gears and he showed that when he put Kabongo on skates. All in all he got some good TV time and tomorrow will be a more important day for him as well as the private workouts. Personally, I think some of the biggest reasons busts occur is because NBA scouts focus too much on their athletic ability and potential but don't look at what his lowest ceiling can be.

[joeboo22]

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One of the ESPN commentators---possibly the same one who name-checked 'SAN DIEGO STATE JACKRABBITS'---was talking about how Wolters' speed is an issue.

On screen, Wolters pulls a nifty move, freezes Kabongo, and blows by him for a layup.

Yeah. His *speed* is an issue.

In an effort to make a recovery, one of the commentators, on the replay, says, "Well, Kabongo isn't noted for his defense."

....

Sheesh. The NBA is littered with players that have 'athleticism' and haven't the discipline to take advantage of it. Wouldn't you rather have a player who can freeze defenses even if his 'athleticism' isn't all that exceptional?

They were different, it was Katz, who knows who South Dakota St. is, but continues to say San Diego St. when on camera, who said that. It was Jay Williams who was talking about Wolters foot speed. IDK, I thought he made a good comparison to Kirk Hinrich. That is who I compare him to. Foot speed will be an issue no doubt. But I don't know if its a big thing. NBA scouts are very different. I've seen them on twitter. and I've got one saying Nate will measure out well, and another saying he will measure poorly. I've got people saying they love his jumper, while others say his jumper needs work. Overall though from the scouts and reporters I've heard Nate did pretty well on the first day. But its like anything, where you have guys who love a player and guys who don't like a player much. They are right on some and wrong on others.

[jack power]

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One of the ESPN commentators---possibly the same one who name-checked 'SAN DIEGO STATE JACKRABBITS'---was talking about how Wolters' speed is an issue.

On screen, Wolters pulls a nifty move, freezes Kabongo, and blows by him for a layup.

Yeah. His *speed* is an issue.

In an effort to make a recovery, one of the commentators, on the replay, says, "Well, Kabongo isn't noted for his defense."

....

Sheesh. The NBA is littered with players that have 'athleticism' and haven't the discipline to take advantage of it. Wouldn't you rather have a player who can freeze defenses even if his 'athleticism' isn't all that exceptional?

That was Jay Williams that tried to recover,what a tacky move. That said, i thought the general consensus of that group of talking heads was that Nate IS a NBA player, could make a roster,probably a early 2nd. round pick.