ChannelSurfing

[Nidaros]

Re: ChannelSurfing

i'll 2nd that.

I will third that. Any wanting to fourth that?

[MinnJack]

Re: ChannelSurfing

I will third that. Any wanting to fourth that?

Fourthing it.

[NoVaJack]

Re: ChannelSurfing

All Channelsurfing does, though, is aggregate links to streams that originate with individuals who could be anywhere. The copyright infringers are the people who are redirecting the streams. If channelsurfing disappears, somebody else will start aggregating the links. And if the authorities go after the people who are redirecting the streams, somebody else will do it.

And it will still be part of the stealing. Unless people are willing to start making their own movies or staging their own college basketball games, at some point you gotta pay for it. These guys are already aggregating True Grit and other first-run movies. ...

[NoVaJack]

Re: ChannelSurfing

Do we buy goods from Walmart and other companies that offer lower prices or do we only buy higher price goods from American companies (the country that we claim to support). I know that some will argue that
Channelsurfing is using a stolen or illegal product.....but it really isn't much different than cheap product from foreign countries that use child labor or have various other forms of abusing their labor.

Ultimately, we all look for the best bargains at the most affordable price. I support my wife and young children first, which means if a game is free on channelsurfing I'm going to tune in, and if not, I'll rely on ESPN or this forum next. If this makes me the worst Jackrabbit supporter ever, thats fine, I can live with that!

So everything ultimately should be free then...

Analogy: A farmer is combining a wheat field and he leaves a load of grain at one end. Some guy comes along and steals it, and he leaves bushels along the side of the road. You come along and - lo and behold - there's "free" grain for the taking. Do you take it?

[mitchellrabbit]

Re: ChannelSurfing

So everything ultimately should be free then...

Analogy: A farmer is combining a wheat field and he leaves a load of grain at one end. Some guy comes along and steals it, and he leaves bushels along the side of the road. You come along and - lo and behold - there's "free" grain for the taking. Do you take it?

your analogy isnt changing my mind or scaring me into not watching channelsurfing. i also download music on you tube which im sure is also illegal. didnt realize i was such a bad ass criminal

[NoVaJack]

Re: ChannelSurfing

your analogy isnt changing my mind or scaring me into not watching channelsurfing. i also download music on you tube which im sure is also illegal. didnt realize i was such a bad ass criminal

Not trying to scare you or anyone else. Just trying to point out that eventually, nothing is free. Content doesn't just fall out of the sky. Do you work for no pay? Because that's what you are essentially requring the people who provide these services to do.

[jackdaniel]

Re: ChannelSurfing

Robinhood stole from the Rich to give to the Poor, and he became folklore(because people hate greedy rich people, always have, though they might have taken it a little too far during the French revelution).......does Bill Gates need more money than a hundered of his generations could ever spend?These movies like True Grit already made millions....yet let a person get a little joy out of watching a basketball game ,and everyone gets self-rightous all of a sudden. I personally think copy rights should have a time limit,like patents do,or "designer" drugs.What's the difference between a unique pair of pliars someone designed (vice grips) or True Grit the movie.Both are unique creations, one is copy protected forever, the other is not? If it's a little guy vs big guy case ,you don't want me on your jury if you're representing the big guy.Believe me.

[NoVaJack]

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Robinhood stole from the Rich to give to the Poor, and he became folklore(because people hate greedy rich people, always have, though they might have taken it a little too far during the French revelution).......does Bill Gates need more money than a hundered of his generations could ever spend?These movies like True Grit already made millions....yet let a person get a little joy out of watching a basketball game ,and everyone gets self-rightous all of a sudden.

Oh, c'mon, Robin Hood? These are not services needed to keep people from starving to death. This is so you can sit in the comfort of your home and enjoy a sporting event that some people pay a nominal fee for, but you evidently think should be free.

- Second, Gates has given away billions. Actually, tens of billions.
- Third, tens of thousands of average people work for Gates-related or Gates-spawned companies, providing services you are using every time you watch something on the net or download your bank statement or post here on SDSU Forum. Should all of them work for free, or just those that provide the content ripped off by the pirate aggregators - who, by the way, are no Robin Hoods - you don't think they're doing it for free, do you? They're not called pirates for nothing.

[jackdaniel]

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Oh, c'mon, Robin Hood? These are not services needed to keep people from starving to death. This is so you can sit in the comfort of your home and enjoy a sporting event that some people pay a nominal fee for, but you evidently think should be free.

- Second, Gates has given away billions. Actually, tens of billions.
- Third, tens of thousands of average people work for Gates-related or Gates-spawned companies, providing services you are using every time you watch something on the net or download your bank statement or post here on SDSU Forum. Should all of them work for free, or just those that provide the content ripped off by the pirate aggregators - who, by the way, are no Robin Hoods - you don't think they're doing it for free, do you? They're not called pirates for nothing.

Gates gives away billions....then claims tax deductions on that money.....if a poor person throws part of thier grocery money in the Salvation Army's pot, or Bill Gates gives SDSU a new Arena, I suppose you'd think Bill Gates made the biggest sacrifice.Bill Gates gives nothing he doesn't get back one way or another from his accountants.

[NebraskaJack]

Re: ChannelSurfing

So everything ultimately should be free then...

Analogy: A farmer is combining a wheat field and he leaves a load of grain at one end. Some guy comes along and steals it, and he leaves bushels along the side of the road. You come along and - lo and behold - there's "free" grain for the taking. Do you take it?

I won't get into a battle because I've seen way to many times on this site the inability of some to let things die. But I will respond this way.....Walmart claims not to buy from companies in third world countries that use child labor (if you can believe that), therefore I do shop there when the need arises. I assume if Channelsurfing was breaking all the rules that everyone claims, they most likely would have been shut down by now, therefore I do frequent their site also.

As for your analogy of the farmer and his wheat. I don't make a habit of taking things that aren't nailed down, assuming they belong to no one. I don't take cars that are along the roadside, bikes from the neighbors yard or even cattle that some forgetful rancher left in the pasture.

If you are trying to ask me whether I would buy electronics out of someones trunk or Rolex's off a street corner knowing where they probably came from just for the sake of saving money....the answer is no....but I will continue to watch Channelsurfing.

[boxerboy]

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[QUOTE=jackdaniel;168394]Robinhood stole from the Rich to give to the Poor, and he became folklore(because people hate greedy rich people, always have, though they might have taken it a little too far during the French revelution)..

First of all, (not sure RH even existed) Robin Hoods merry men attacked the kings men who were collecting unfair taxation from the people. It was not the rich he took it from, it was a govt. that had over taxed and he was able to recapture the money taken unfairly,(unfair taxation) from the people.

[jackdaniel]

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[QUOTE=boxerboy;168401]

Robinhood stole from the Rich to give to the Poor, and he became folklore(because people hate greedy rich people, always have, though they might have taken it a little too far during the French revelution)..

First of all, (not sure RH even existed) Robin Hoods merry men attacked the kings men who were collecting unfair taxation from the people. It was not the rich he took it from, it was a govt. that had over taxed and he was able to recapture the money taken unfairly,(unfair taxation) from the people.

Who lived higher off the hog than the rich.....er,well paid ,corrupt, Gov't officials......rich is rich,wether or not if the money's taken by a corrupt gov't, or by the private sector.Anyway, this sure is a helluva debate.....lol

[SturgisJeff]

Re: ChannelSurfing

So did everyone get enough pumpkin pie over the holidays?

[JackJD]

Re: ChannelSurfing

I hope some of you guys giving analogies don't engage in competitive shooting or dart leagues.

I'm completely with NoVaJack on this subject area.

I'll have a large slice of bannana cream pie, please.

[jackrabbit1979]

Re: ChannelSurfing

Guys, every single men's game thread I see talk about whether or not the game is on channelsurfing or not, and it seems like a lot of our games are this year.

I just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of something:

Channelsurfing steals content from schools. By watching games on Channelsurfing instead of paying to watch on GoJacks.com you are stealing from SDSU.

I admit to watching a few myself. I also subscribe to Jackrabbit Extra, and if the game isn't on I will check channelsurfing, so this isn't a holier than thou post.

Just about everybody on this board claims to be SDSU supporters. If you can, spend the $40 and subscribe to Jackrabbit Extra for 4 months.

I have to say the video quality has been pretty good for the most part this year. All the home games are shown so you don't have to worry about missing a game due to weather. The schedule lists video for the upcoming SUU and Western Illinois games. UMKC was on last night, and Central Michigan was on earlier this year. Many of the women's road games are also on.

So in summary, if you can afford it sign up for Jackrabbit Extra. It has been a decent service so far this year, and is a relatively inexpensive way to support SDSU and watch the Jackrabbits.

So let me play devil's advocate and pose this question...

You say that you turn to channel surfing when the game isn't streamed through Jackrabbit Extra. Yet, if channel surfing is streaming the game, it has to be available for viewing in some way (other teams website/viewing package, other conferences package, extra sports pack/channel through your satellite provider, PPV, etc.). So in essence, by not subscribing or paying for one of those options, you are stealing that content from another team or organization - just not SDSU.

So is it acceptable to steal content from our opponents or another source because one isn't a fan/supporter of them?