SDSU/USD Share Open Date in 2010

[Kemo]

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Gentleman's agreement to end this thread?

All in favor say nothing! [insert literal interpretation in subsequent post]

[RabbitObsessed]

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Gentleman's agreement to end this thread?

All in favor say nothing! [insert literal interpretation in subsequent post]

Why end a thread about a legit discussion?

[joeboo22]

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Why end a thread about a legit discussion?

I think that every side has a good point.... USD fans thinks that they should play because they are good enough to compete but would probably loose.... SDSU fans think they should play because its the only way more then a few thousand show up in Nov. However anybody that knows anything about scheduling knows that there is a lot more issues with that. Money being a big one.... Would it be worth SDSU to play USD or would you rather play nobody and help your playoff chances? I think the problem with USD is if you beat them it doesn't help you, but if you lose it sure hurts you.... and until USD is out of transition they are going to have that problem.

[zooropa]

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That doesn't imply that at all. In fact it doesn't imply anything about who ended it. It implies that USD wants to start again and SDSU doesn't feel it's best.

The ball ain't really in SDSU's court. Unless/until Abbott or Nielsen calls up his SDSU counterpart and says, "let's do this, name your terms", the ball ain't in SDSU's court.

Those who continually insist (a la Stu) that SDSU is somehow holding USD at arm's length are trying to impose their viewpoint on reality (granted, that's pretty much the job description of a sports editor--still, it galls)....

To the best of ANYONE'S knowledge, NO ONE at USD has approached SDSU officially.

Therefore, (again) to the best of anyone's knowledge, the ball ain't in SDSU's court.

Properly, the ball is in a neutral court. Either party may open a dialogue, but NO DIALOGUE HAS BEEN OPENED AT THIS TIME.

And, one would assume, WILL NOT BE OPENED UNTIL SDSU HIRES A NEW AD.

Once that happens, contrary to the practices of our surly rivals to the north, I would expect that all negotiations will be conducted appropriately (that is to say out of the media spotlight).

(the CAPS are directed at idiots like Stu that seem to have confused the official actions of responsible administrators with the attitudes of SDSU's most partisan fans. NOTE TO STU: Fans do NOT speak for the university)

[1stRowFANatic]

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But the reality is that we will have to be fair with them. That is the nature of our university and our athletic department. We do have principles you know.

How is doing what is in the best interest of our program not being fair with them?

[1stRowFANatic]

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As stated before I hope SDSU puts this off as long as possible. It's really to bad that there's not another newspaper option besides the Argus Leader in this state. The Argus has always been a USD paper and the article today does nothing to change my mind. USD wants the game to be played. No Sh**! Who looks like the bad guy in the article - SDSU. For everyone who is happy to see the two in-state schools play again -great - but this guy has no interest. SCREW THE U AND THE ARGUS TOO!

Really, the paper that added/dedicated a beat writer to SDSU when it went D-1? The paper that employs TV that almost everyone on the board thinks does a fabulous job? The paper that has increased its coverage of SDSU both in terms of column inches and financial resources?

[1stRowFANatic]

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That doesn't imply that at all. In fact it doesn't imply anything about who ended it. It implies that USD wants to start again and SDSU doesn't feel it's best.

I have to disagree with this, Meierkort clearly was laying the fact that the game wasn't scheduled already at the feet of SDSU.

[JimmyJack]

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The Argus has always been a USD paper and the article today does nothing to change my mind.

Huh. That's funny because there are about 25 SDSU graduates working in the Argus newsroom, including the executive editor, and just 3 or 4 USD grads. And I suppose the roughly 250 square miles of coverage of SDSU athletics in the last four years was a fluke. Plus, I don't suppose it matters that the Argus has a full-time SDSU athletics reporter, and a 1/2 time USD athletics reporter. Facts are stubborn things.

[JackJD]

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I think the ball is in SDSU's court, we're holding it, deciding what's best for SDSU. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, I prefer that the ball be "in SDSU's court" as much as possible. Our schedulers want to control SDSU's destiny. Stig wants to make the playoffs and be in a position to compete for a national title. That's the goal when schedules are being put together. Let's be glad the ball is in our court. During transition, the ball was not always in our court and we had to take what others would give us.

[Jacks#1Fan]

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Huh. That's funny because there are about 25 SDSU graduates working in the Argus newsroom, including the executive editor, and just 3 or 4 USD grads. And I suppose the roughly 250 square miles of coverage of SDSU athletics in the last four years was a fluke. Plus, I don't suppose it matters that the Argus has a full-time SDSU athletics reporter, and a 1/2 time USD athletics reporter. Facts are stubborn things.

I have to second JJ on this issue...the Argus Leader sports approach over the last few years has been very even handed, and would be seen by most as being "SDSU" oriented...simply because the move to Division I has been the "big" news on the South Dakota sports scene the last five years. Now that USD has followed, I know for a fact that the Argus will try to provide even-handed coverage to both. Notice I said the sports approach, not the sports editor. Stu will continue his rants in his column and they will be basically negative-SDSU...but the story coverage of our time in the D-I journey has been extraordinary.

[Chains]

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Gentlemen,

Clearly the ball is in SDSU's hands. I am confident the staff at SDSU will make scheduling choices based on what is best for SDSU. That said, history is the best source to decide what "IS" best for SDSU? All I have heard is how great the attendance would be if the two schools would resume the so called football rivalry?

The last 5 times SDSU played USD the average attendance was: 6,695
This includes games at SDSU & USD.

In 2007 SDSU home attendance average: 11,218

In 2008 SDSU home attendance average: 9,906

Now why would I schedule USD to improve my attendance? Seems like the Jacks are doing just fine to me! Plus, you cannot get that many fans in the USD dome. Would the initial meeting create some interest? Yes. After that it would be back to the same old thing.

Go, Go blue, Go Jacks

[zooropa]

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Gentlemen,
This includes games at SDSU & USD.

1) Why would you provide attendance figures from the Dome?

2) Also, why not put those numbers in context (e.g. USD game attendance divided by average attendance)? There were only about 8k at the first Hobo Day I attended in '94

[jackmd]

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I really don't feel that SDSU has any obligation to USD or South Dakota to renew the rivalry. USD had its chance when SDSU went D-1. They could have kept the rivalry going by going D-1 at the same time. We both would have been in the Great West and would have played each other every year.

I keep hearing that the ball is in SDSU's court to renew the rivalry. That implies that it is SDSU's fault that we don't have a football rivalry with USD anymore. I really blame USD for cancelling the rivalry by staying in D-2 and allowing the xDSU's to blaze the trail into D-1. It is this passive-agressive attitude that is irritating. I'm just glad that SDSU is a forward thinking, visionary school and not a follower.

Go State!!!
Go Jacks!!!

Bingo!! We play who we want. If USD is the best option for that date, we play them.

[jackmd]

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That doesn't imply that at all. In fact it doesn't imply anything about who ended it. It implies that USD wants to start again and SDSU doesn't feel it's best.

Close but not quite. USD NEEDS to get the rivalry started again, SDSU does not. Have vs have not. The haves have it.

[Chains]

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1) Why would you provide attendance figures from the Dome?

2) Also, why not put those numbers in context (e.g. USD game attendance divided by average attendance)? There were only about 8k at the first Hobo Day I attended in '94

The attendance numbers for both home and away games are available at gojacks.com if interested. The attendance at USD was slightly higher than games played at SDSU.

Why would I provide attendance fitures from the Dome? Just proving a point that average attendance for games between USD and SDSU are not going to be the saving grace of either program. SDSU's current attendance average is significantly higher than games played between the two schools in the past. Again, those numbers are available at gojacks.com if you want to check them out?

Go big, go blue, go Jacks