Tight end

[Nidaros]

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Nidaros, there should not be an explanation for not using the TE. Bottom line is that they should be used alot more, instead of an explaination why they are not being used, The offense would open wide open if they did. End of explaination.

I am not a coach so really find it very comfortable to not second guess the decisions made. I don't have any problem with those who do like to second guess and make evaluations and the criticism is constructive. None use of tigh ends might be the case here of constructive criticism. I do like the TE plays when they work.

[rational thought]

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Luke Meadows believes in a grind it out smash mouth type of football. I fully expected that kind of mix this year with him taking over the playcalling. The fact that the offense is being called like it is makes me think he's trying to cover up a weakness. If that is the offensive line then some of the calls we have seen would make sense. Of course, one could argue that some quick outs to Tight Ends would be a way to combat a weak offensive line. I guess I'll defer to the guy that sees the team practice everyday and watches film on the other team. I'm not saying its wrong to question, just saying maybe there is a better question to ask.

Quick outs to a TE don't work to well against cover 2(which we see a lot of)....has to be an option route to find a soft spot between the backers.

[EQguy]

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The quick outs thing wasn't really my point rational. It was that the coach calling the plays has a tendency to believe in the type of offense that badrabbit wants called. But for some reason he isn't calling that type of offense. My thought was he was overcompensating for a deficiency somewhere else.

My other point was that if the guy who sees the team practice everyday and who helped recruit the guys that are there and who sees film on the opposition every week isn't calling the game the way that badrabbit would like maybe there is a reason for it.

[goon]

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Im just wondering because we hear about the philosphy of SDSU football and it sounds like hard hittin runnin offense and power etc. Just I have a hard time seeing that when we are passin for over 300 yards agame while only rushing around 100 yards most games. Which makes it seem we are set more for a passing based team then a run based. Arguements could be made that teams key for the run with us allowing more passing yards. but if we are a smashmouth runnin hard kinda team, why are we only really featuring one runningback. I think Minett is a stud, I see a lot of koenig, watson, and ranek in his running style, but what i am saying is why not feature more 2 back sets like we saw last year with Koenig and Minett? The other running backs seem more the capable of taking a few more runs a game and help keepin Minett fresh. while giving the Defense more to look at. We have seen impressive passing QBs and running backs the last several years here. I understand with the size and strength of recruiting quaility lineman for a run game is very advantageus here. While with the unpreddictible weather in SD it would be hard to want to open up the passing game more. If we didnt have wind and changing conditions it could make the pass our main prioriety which would expand to using more tight ends, but we dont have that here. A solid running base with good blocking TEs are just as important as a good recieving TE. Wagner last year was one on the best TEs we have seen in a long time and he didnt get a lot of throws his way either.

Im not here wanting to second guess the coaches, they see more and know this program more then the rest of us could dream, however I just am making a thought about this topic. I don't care if we pass 80 times a game and a tight end never catches it or if we runn 200 plus yards agame as long as we win I think thats the important number to watch.


Boy i sure rambeled on there, sorry about that but I couldn't concentrate on my lit review paper due next week with hobo days coming up and all.

Goon

[EQguy]

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I don't care if we pass 80 times a game and a tight end never catches it or if we runn 200 plus yards agame as long as we win I think thats the important number to watch.

Extremely well put. Reps to you.

[JimmyJack]

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Im just wondering because we hear about the philosphy of SDSU football and it sounds like hard hittin runnin offense and power etc. Just I have a hard time seeing that when we are passin for over 300 yards agame while only rushing around 100 yards most games. Which makes it seem we are set more for a passing based team then a run based. Arguements could be made that teams key for the run with us allowing more passing yards. but if we are a smashmouth runnin hard kinda team, why are we only really featuring one runningback. I think Minett is a stud, I see a lot of koenig, watson, and ranek in his running style, but what i am saying is why not feature more 2 back sets like we saw last year with Koenig and Minett? The other running backs seem more the capable of taking a few more runs a game and help keepin Minett fresh. while giving the Defense more to look at. We have seen impressive passing QBs and running backs the last several years here. I understand with the size and strength of recruiting quaility lineman for a run game is very advantageus here. While with the unpreddictible weather in SD it would be hard to want to open up the passing game more. If we didnt have wind and changing conditions it could make the pass our main prioriety which would expand to using more tight ends, but we dont have that here. A solid running base with good blocking TEs are just as important as a good recieving TE. Wagner last year was one on the best TEs we have seen in a long time and he didnt get a lot of throws his way either.

Im not here wanting to second guess the coaches, they see more and know this program more then the rest of us could dream, however I just am making a thought about this topic. I don't care if we pass 80 times a game and a tight end never catches it or if we runn 200 plus yards agame as long as we win I think thats the important number to watch.


Boy i sure rambeled on there, sorry about that but I couldn't concentrate on my lit review paper due next week with hobo days coming up and all.

Goon

FYI: It's Hobo Day. Or Hobo Week. There is no such thing as "hobo days".

I think we're throwing more because of injuries and a bit of inexperience on the offensive line. I don't think anything has changed. Stig would probably still prefer to run on every play.

[goon]

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fyi: It's hobo day. Or hobo week. There is no such thing as "hobo days".

I think we're throwing more because of injuries and a bit of inexperience on the offensive line. I don't think anything has changed. Stig would probably still prefer to run on every play.

hobo daze?

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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hobo daze?

That usually occurs primarily on Friday, Saturday and Sunday mornings. Although, the true die-hards (those not so worried about attending classes and graduating) will probably feel the "daze" Tues-Sun mornings.

[jackmd]

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That usually occurs primarily on Friday, Saturday and Sunday mornings. Although, the true die-hards (those not so worried about attending classes and graduating) will probably feel the "daze" Tues-Sun mornings.

Zing....

Don't forget that offensive coordinator course tomorrow morning. I'm thinking a bunch of us missed that one.

All kidding aside, it would be nice to see some vertical passes along the seams. However, that takes a little time with the QB in the pocket. Hitting a seam route on the move is pretty darn difficult. Plus, you have to be able to pass within the zones to open the seam areas or the LBs/DBs will cheat and shut you down. Now, we have been pretty successful on under routes, outs and crossing patterns so you would think more passes in the seam areas would be good. I'm not watching coaches film so I don't know for sure.

[oldalum]

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Where did all the former tight ends go?

[SturgisJeff]

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I know this is off thread, but anyone planning to attend the Indiana State game on 10/25 better make reservations now. It's Homecoming for them and a lot of the hotels are booked. Just made mine at the Holiday Inn.

[CatchEmAll]

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Where did all the former tight ends go?

Right here.

Oh, and Steve Heiden is playing for the Cleveland Browns.

[oldalum]

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Right here.

Oh, and Steve Heiden is playing for the Cleveland Browns.

Good to see this thread quiet down. Passing game has been going very well outside of the number of sacks. Should be no complaints.

[badrabbit]

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TE not being used equals loses to top ranked/tough teams. no excuses why, because there are none. You can critisize all you want but that is the bottom line.

[badrabbit]

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Oh I forgot to add this. When we play Cal Poly we might come out with a WIN, but I can almost Garuntee you that when we play Souther Ill and North Dakota State there will be loses if the TE is not used. Those 4 or 5 passes in crutial situations where the TE should be used to get a first down will kill us in the end. Apparently whoever calls the plays doesn't realize this. I used to coach and I know the value of a TE. IT IS THE SAME WITH A RUNNING QUARTERBACK. Good teams with a running quarterback will kill you everytime, hence Mc Nees St.. Northern Iowa, ect. We are lacking the use of both. Until then good bye playoffs.