News regarding the Dykhouse Center

[Chains]

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Just took a look. The center section of the first level has brick entirely on the front side. The two "wings" are about 3' up in brick on the front.

My overall impression: It's a huge building. It seems much larger now that the second floor and roof are on. It really closes in the north end of the stadium.

I agree. The building looks much larger than I would have imagined. Its wider than the playing surface of the field and deeper and higher than the pictures on another post really indicates.

Excellent addition.

GBGBGJ

[Chains]

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Wow! THANKS SO MUCH JIMMYJACK! Those of us who live outside the Brookings area sure appreciate your efforts.

Yes. Those are great pictures and the Dykhouse Center will clearly be a great addition to Coughlin and the Jacks program. However, I need to ask this - in the Argus this morning they had pictures and comments about the new Auggie football statium. One comment that caught my eye was that they built the entire football stadium that seats 6000, field turf, Daktronics scoreboard, dressing rooms, press box, 12 suits furnished, plus, plus and they built it for $11 million. Now if I read correctly the Dykhouse Center will cost in excess of $12 million with some additional funds needed to furnish it? Correct me if I am wrong but does not sound a little bit skewed?

$11 million for an entire turn key football stadium and

$12 million for (albeit) a much needed / excellent student facility.

Certainly got my attention.

GBGBGJ

[JackrabbitGuy]

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Yes. Those are great pictures and the Dykhouse Center will clearly be a great addition to Coughlin and the Jacks program. However, I need to ask this - in the Argus this morning they had pictures and comments about the new Auggie football statium. One comment that caught my eye was that they built the entire football stadium that seats 6000, field turf, Daktronics scoreboard, dressing rooms, press box, 12 suits furnished, plus, plus and they built it for $11 million. Now if I read correctly the Dykhouse Center will cost in excess of $12 million with some additional funds needed to furnish it? Correct me if I am wrong but does not sound a little bit skewed?

$11 million for an entire turn key football stadium and

$12 million for (albeit) a much needed / excellent student facility.

Certainly got my attention.

GBGBGJ

Chains, I see what you're saying and I don't have an informed response excpet to say that this building includes locker room, office, weightroom and team space that will be used by many programs, and I suppose I can quickly justify that this type of a multi-program building would be much more expensive to build than some parts of a straight stadium infrastructure. I don't know if I'm saying this correctly, but I guess what I'm getting at is stadium concrete, brick, seats, landscaping is less expensive to build than a complete functional building.

It seems to make sense to me that the cost density would be much greater in the building than the stadium.

[Nidaros]

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Chains, I see what you're saying and I don't have an informed response excpet to say that this building includes locker room, office, weightroom and team space that will be used by many programs, and I suppose I can quickly justify that this type of a multi-program building would be much more expensive to build than some parts of a straight stadium infrastructure. I don't know if I'm saying this correctly, but I guess what I'm getting at is stadium concrete, brick, seats, landscaping is less expensive to build than a complete functional building.

It seems to make sense to me that the cost density would be much greater in the building than the stadium.

I with JackrabbitGuy, and I am hardly a cost estimator nor do I play one on Television, but I dont think we are comparing an apple with an apple here. The student center has to be more involved and I believe too, the indoor practice facility is part of the 12 million of th Dykhouse facility. As I understand it we are doing the parts for which the Foundation has raised funds, namely 6 million dollars worth. So the comparison might be hard to make without a great deal of explanation.

[Jacks#1Fan]

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A lot of figures being thrown around...here are the facts. The SDSU Wellness Center cost $12 million, of which $6 million came from the student fees they voted for, and the rest from the money that the HPER department had raised, along with some Foundation money.

The Dykhouse Student Athletic Center, as it will now be constituted is being built out of the $1 million from Dana Dykhouse, and the $5 million from Denny Sanford, donated in Dykhouse's name. Because it is a state built building, an enormous amount of money comes out of the $6 million for the architect, state engineer, and regent's engineer funding (this is a SHAME and should be corrected but probably won't...so always be prepared for how little you get for the money when building a state building even if it is from donated funds.) The department/Foundation are still raising money to furnish the building. Augustana did not have to go through this process.

In addition, the money was in the bank for the $6 million more than a year before the bids were let, due to the state process, meaning you bought less of a building than you would have if bidding had started sooner (again, easier with a private building than a state building).

The Dykhouse Center is just half of what was envisioned as a $12 million building and was to house offices and locker rooms for ALL the outdoor sports. As now constituted it is just for football, although it has academic areas and weight rooms, etc. that will be used by outdoor sports athletes. The other $6 million is needed for the completion of the building.

That will all probably wait until money is raised to build the Indoor Practice Facility (early estimate of $18 million). The Dykhouse Center is not a part of the practice facility, but will offer support areas for it as I understand the project.

[Jacked_Up]

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Thanks for the info, J-1. Anyone have about $24 million sitting around that they could donate to speed those projects along.

[JACKGUYII]

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A lot of figures being thrown around...here are the facts. The SDSU Wellness Center cost $12 million, of which $6 million came from the student fees they voted for, and the rest from the money that the HPER department had raised, along with some Foundation money.

The Dykhouse Student Athletic Center, as it will now be constituted is being built out of the $1 million from Dana Dykhouse, and the $5 million from Denny Sanford, donated in Dykhouse's name. Because it is a state built building, an enormous amount of money comes out of the $6 million for the architect, state engineer, and regent's engineer funding (this is a SHAME and should be corrected but probably won't...so always be prepared for how little you get for the money when building a state building even if it is from donated funds.) The department/Foundation are still raising money to furnish the building. Augustana did not have to go through this process.

In addition, the money was in the bank for the $6 million more than a year before the bids were let, due to the state process, meaning you bought less of a building than you would have if bidding had started sooner (again, easier with a private building than a state building).

The Dykhouse Center is just half of what was envisioned as a $12 million building and was to house offices and locker rooms for ALL the outdoor sports. As now constituted it is just for football, although it has academic areas and weight rooms, etc. that will be used by outdoor sports athletes. The other $6 million is needed for the completion of the building.

That will all probably wait until money is raised to build the Indoor Practice Facility (early estimate of $18 million). The Dykhouse Center is not a part of the practice facility, but will offer support areas for it as I understand the project.

I had heard about all the money that went down the drain for the state architect, engineer etc. This really watered down the 6 million and assume demanded more money to finish the project. Ironic it's a state building and yet the state contirbuted nothing to it and gave no discounts for their uneccesary services.

[zooropa]

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$6 million came from the student fees they voted for, and the rest from the money that the HPER department had raised, along with some Foundation money.

Didn't the city of Brookings kick in some money?

Also, you wouldn't happen to have a source or a dollar figure for money that went to the state engineer's office, etc.?

[WestSideRabbit]

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Didn't the city of Brookings kick in some money?

Also, you wouldn't happen to have a source or a dollar figure for money that went to the state engineer's office, etc.?

Brookings gave money to the Wellness Center.. not the Dykhouse

[zooropa]

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Brookings gave money to the Wellness Center.. not the Dykhouse

Yeah. I didn't break up my questions right. I cited Jacks#1Fan on the Wellness center, but forgot to cite him on the other question.

It seems odd to me that -any- unit of SD state government gets a significant cash injection without having even more significant workload required of it.

[Nidaros]

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Didn't the city of Brookings kick in some money?

Also, you wouldn't happen to have a source or a dollar figure for money that went to the state engineer's office, etc.?

Yes City of Brookings did give to the Wellness Center but there is more on the way. The city of Brookings money is going to be used for the upgrade and addition to the Performing Arts Center since Donor Auditorium balcony can no longer be used. I dont recall any thing being furnished by the City of Brookings for athletic facilities from the most recent money, but I could be very wrong on that. I know President Chicoine was before the City Council and I did not read the whole article, but I did read the part about money going to the Performing Arts building.

[WestSideRabbit]

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Yes City of Brookings did give to the Wellness Center but there is more on the way. The city of Brookings money is going to be used for the upgrade and addition to the Performing Arts Center since Donor Auditorium balcony can no longer be used. I dont recall any thing being furnished by the City of Brookings for athletic facilities from the most recent money, but I could be very wrong on that. I know President Chicoine was before the City Council and I did not read the whole article, but I did read the part about money going to the Performing Arts building.

The PAC was left out of the initial budget put together by City manager Wheldon. There may or may not be enough votes from the city council to get the money for the PAC. At this stage we just wait and see. The main obstacle holding this project up is that there is still no resolution on the city airport. Once that is resolved more city projects will come into the fold.

[Jacks#1Fan]

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The PAC was left out of the initial budget put together by City manager Wheldon. There may or may not be enough votes from the city council to get the money for the PAC. At this stage we just wait and see. The main obstacle holding this project up is that there is still no resolution on the city airport. Once that is resolved more city projects will come into the fold.

Thanks WSR for the input. Nidaros, there MAY be more money coming, but no guarantees at this point. President Chicoine was asking for the money to get the project on the list, when and if, money becomes available.

The higher fees for state buildings has to do with basically several things. Private money is building the building, but the state owns it, and thus requires standards for the construction of the building, and a lot of red tape. State engineer gets involved, and getting architects, builders, etc. to jump through all the hoops, drives the time delay and thus costs up. It's a shame, but unless the legislature and/or governor jumps in, it will continue. Private schools can cut the corners they want to cut, set their own standards, move the project on their own timetable. A big advantage. I do know that Dana Dykhouse was extremely disappointed on how long and how much money it took to get the project going. As a result, the decision was made to build the building, but bare bones the furnishings, etal. That's why the drive continues to get money to furnish it.

[zooropa]

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Thanks WSR for the input. Nidaros, there MAY be more money coming, but no guarantees at this point. President Chicoine was asking for the money to get the project on the list, when and if, money becomes available.

The higher fees for state buildings has to do with basically several things. Private money is building the building, but the state owns it, and thus requires standards for the construction of the building, and a lot of red tape. State engineer gets involved, and getting architects, builders, etc. to jump through all the hoops, drives the time delay and thus costs up. It's a shame, but unless the legislature and/or governor jumps in, it will continue. Private schools can cut the corners they want to cut, set their own standards, move the project on their own timetable. A big advantage. I do know that Dana Dykhouse was extremely disappointed on how long and how much money it took to get the project going. As a result, the decision was made to build the building, but bare bones the furnishings, etal. That's why the drive continues to get money to furnish it.

1) Again, do you have any source for how much it cost to meet the state's specs for this project?

2) If the state's engineer doesn't approve the building specs, who should? What other office should be responsible for saying, "This project meets our minimum expectations"? Should the donor himself be allowed to approve the design? What if the donor's an idiot when it comes to those things?

3) You raise a valid point: The state owns the building.

Ask the Sioux Falls public works department how much they enjoy maintaining all the substandard infrastructure in Norton Acres, Orchard Heights, etc.

If the state will be maintaining the building for the next 40+ years, IMO, they have every right to set certain standards for construction.

4) Looking at the USF boondoggle down at 69th & Cliff, I wouldn't say that SDSU would benefit from the looser controls present at private schools.....

BTW: I'm not trying to be argumentative---I'd just like to know what you think would be a better solution than what's in place---- IMO, there would be some real disadvantages to having no particular standards for new construction (well, apart from meeting the UBC).

[Jacks#1Fan]

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Zoo...just to orient my answer back to the original question, which was, why did Augie build a "whole" stadium for twice as much as Dykhouse Center. I tried to point out some of the differences...that's all. I heard the figures, but were second-hand (but by a knowledgeable person). I assume somebody could find them as it would be a public record. And I just wanted to clarify some of the numbers being thrown around. As I pointed out, it is a building that belongs to the state...hence it will get state review, rightly enough. IMO though, there's a big of overreaching at the top of the food chain. End of input.