Coaching

[SDSUFAN]

Re: Coaching

I have to agree with jackguy and catch em on this one.  

Congrats SDSU Fan on your donations to the program.  I would assume every player and administrator is thankful.  However, it doesn't make you more of a fan because you have given financially and in my opinion doesn't mean donors can critique and non-donors cannot.  In fact i would venture to say their are more die-hard, supporting Jacks fans who don't donate then there are that do.  I would hope by the time we all reach our mid sixties (heck mid thirties) we have the financial means necessary to donate to the alma mater, but at this point in many's lives familes, debt, peanut salaries at the university, don't allow us to(at least myself).    If that means i can't discuss SDSU athletics on a discussion board, so be it.  

Its about expressions. If you suggest some changes and ideas that take money, come forward with that money and not carp about them, thats what I am saying.

Its not about age and what you have given. JackGuyII wanted to know so now he and everyone else knows where I have stood in my gifts. My mouth is with my money. Good grief, if I stirred some consciences then this dialogue cant be all bad. :

There are things about 3M, Daktronics that may look suspicous and down right evil, but is it helpful to use a media such as the Brookings Register to blast them into orbit? No it might get me some unwanted publicity, and probably there would be a subsequent written rebuttal if the management thought I had said something that is damaging to their image and downright false.

I am just using 3M and Daktronics as an example. The truth of the matter is I know very little about what is going on at 3M and Daktronics so I dont write bad letters about them. We can apply this same analogy to SDSU athletics-specifically coaching.

[89rabbit]

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Everyone is welcome to participate on the board no matter your financial commitment to the athletics department.

On the flip side you can join the Jackrabbit Club at the "Coach's Club" level for $25. Heck for that matter any contribution would be welcomed. If anyone would like more info about joining the Jackrabbit Club send me a PM. It is certainly a worthy cause and it is tax deductible. If you love Jackrabbit sports I ask you to do as I do and give what you feel you can, even if it is only $10.


Go State! ;D

[filbert]

Re: Coaching

Its about expressions. If you suggest some changes and ideas that take money, come forward with that money and not carp about them, thats what I am saying.

Its not about age and what you have given. JackGuyII wanted to know so now he and everyone else knows where I have stood in my gifts. My mouth is with my money. Good grief, if I stirred some consciences then this dialogue cant be all bad. :

There are things about 3M, Daktronics that may look suspicous and down right evil, but is it helpful to use a media such as the Brookings Register to blast them into orbit? No it might get me some unwanted publicity, and probably there would be a subsequent written rebuttal if the management thought I had said something that is damaging to their image and downright false.

I am just using 3M and Daktronics as an example. The truth of the matter is I know very little about what is going on at 3M and Daktronics so I dont write bad letters about them. We can apply this same analogy to SDSU athletics-specifically coaching.

Let's try it this way:

If you're giving a lot of $$$, that's great. Give more, if you can.

If you're giving a little $$$, that's great. Give more, if you can.

If you're not giving any $$$, that's great. Give more, if you can.

There are donations to SDSU that don't require money. Participating on this board is one of them. It makes SDSU athletics a more full experience for fans, whether they are big donors or not.

Part of participating on a discussion board is the opportunity to say "if I were in charge I'd do XYZ." Some of these ideas are lousy. Some are good. None require a cent of donation to SDSU or anyone else.

However, it is also true that money talks. If you **really** want to make an impact, you'll need to either come up with the money or suggest an idea for how to get more money.

I think we all want to do what we can to make SDSU successful. Some people have ideas, and these are not always the same people that have the money/resources to implement the ideas. The ideal is to get the ideas and the money together to do something special.

I think I'll have Jello today, too.
;D

[JACKGUYII]

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Hey I have given plenty. I have an endowment in my name and have given between 20k and 40k since 1992, and individual gifts before that. I respect our programs and our AD, who knows what he is doing.  Don't you think our AD would have forced a resignation if he wanted to make a coaching change? '

I also get tired of carpers/complainers who seem to have a solution to all the SDSU problems, but yet will not come forward with a nickel of financial help. If YOU are one of those folks, then the shoe fits. I am not against people expressing their opinions, but with the need for fiancial assistance at SDSU particularily in athletics its very easy to put your foot in your mouth. :-X

Not surprising you have taken my comments literally as it relates to how much you have to donate before you can make constuctive criticism. While I'm not going to go on this board and list my contributions I'm very comfortable with my cash donations to the university,athletic department,band and purchase of seasons tickets and the required donations that go along with that. Does this give me the right to voice my opinion positive or negative NO. Everyone has that right. I think it's more dangerous when people rubberstamp everything that is done by the administration and coaching staff. They chose this way of life and the second guessing that ultimately goes along with it. We are no longer a DII insitution and the coaches will be held more accountable than ever before based on their records and competitive nature of their teams. I originally made the request to Tony to create this board and have enjoyed the opportunity to come on and share my opinions both positive and negative!

[wererabbit]

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Hey guys there are a lot of good points that every one is making. Some that i had not really thought of before, gives a person a lot to think about. This is my thinking on why i thought we need a new coach. It mainly has to do with wins and losses. I guess i wasnt looking at it on a personel level. Yes stig is probably the salt of the earth and to get good coaching you need $$. I was looking to the future as a fan . Hypothetically speaking lets say you know about jackrabbit football you maybe see news about them once and awhile and thought that maybe you might even go to a game. Mentally you are thinking do i want to become involved in a team that is average, they always have been and it looks like they will be in the future. Why waste time oh well hey Iowa game is on tv (THEN THE THOUGHT OF GOING TO OR SPENDING MONEY ON THE JACKS IS LOST FOR ANOTHER YEAR). We need the curios fans to have interest. We need to hold their attention and make people want to come to the game. A 6-5 TEAM WILL NOT DO THAT . People are strange creatures you need to give them a reason to want change. Lets talk about potential recruits in the future . If i am a new prospect and know im good enough to help a team win a national title who am i going to choose in this area. Im going to choose a team with a winning record that is going places , NDSU looks like a good fit in midwest area they have been nationally ranked . I feel now is the time to try and keep up with NDSU,if und goes div1-AA we will become third in line for good recruits ....... This my feelings i dont know what exactly the cure is going to be but these scenarios are probably very accurate. Thanks

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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Here's something I think gets overlooked in the win/loss discussion. We had a pretty tough 1-AA schedule this year. Granted, our non 1-AA schedule was a joke. Ask yourself what you would rather have. A 9-2 record like USD with a ton of cream puffs or a 6-5 schedule where we were in every game but 2 all season? To me, the reason why this season's 6-5 record is more than another average season (which admittadly we have had too many of late) is that we showed that we can hang with the best 1-AA has to offer.

After last season's UC-Davis debacle and GSU blowout, even the most die-hard fan had to question our ability to beat even the average 1-AA teams. What this year proved is that we can play at this level. It also gives the fans a solid base to place the belief that next year will only be better as we continue to grow.

Now, if this was the 3rd year in a row of 6-5 in the NCC without ever showing life or hope that we are getting better, then I think talk about change would be warranted. However, this is the best 6-5 season we've had in years. We are a team that many were predicting to be dead last in the Great West. As it was, we had a realistic chance up until the 2nd to last game of the season to win the 2nd best conference in all of 1-AA. That's pretty impressive.

Frankly, if you don't think we have something to be excited about going into next season, then you have your head in the sand. I expect with our returning starters, a 7-4 season is a must. An 8-3 season should be our goal. We'll see how it rolls out.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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One other thing. This is in relation to Coach Daly. Coach Daly had an unbelievable coaching staff. Coach Stig didn't have that to work with initially. I know because I played during both of those periods. From what I have heard (from players and GA's), the quality of coaching from the assistants is far better than when he first started. Finally, take a look at Coach Daly's staff if you think there wasn't any turnover in the assistant coaching positions. That's the nature of being an assistant coach. Gain experience and move on. No one dreams of being an O-line coach for the rest of their life. Using that as a barometer towards Coach Stig's (or any coach for that matter) ability as a head coach is a poor example.

[OK_Jackrabbit]

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Hey guys there are a lot of good points that every one is making. Some that i had not really thought of before, gives a person a lot to think about.       This is my thinking on why i thought we need a new coach. It mainly has to do with wins and losses. I guess i wasnt looking at it on a personel level. Yes stig is probably the salt of the earth and to get good coaching you need $$. I was looking to the future as a fan . Hypothetically speaking lets say you know about jackrabbit football you maybe see news about them once and awhile and thought that maybe you might even go to a game. Mentally you are thinking do i want to become involved in a team that is average, they always have been and it looks like they will be in the future. Why waste time oh well hey Iowa game is on tv (THEN THE THOUGHT OF GOING TO OR SPENDING MONEY ON THE JACKS IS LOST FOR ANOTHER YEAR).               We need the curios fans to have interest. We need to hold their attention and make people want to come to the game.   A  6-5 TEAM WILL NOT DO THAT . People are strange creatures you need to give them a reason to want change.  Lets talk about potential recruits in the future . If i am a new prospect and know im good enough to help a team win a national title who am i going to choose in this area. Im going to choose a team with a winning record that is going places , NDSU looks like a good fit in midwest area they have been nationally ranked .              I feel now is the time to try and keep up with NDSU,if und goes div1-AA we will become third in line for good recruits ....... This my feelings i dont know what exactly the cure is going to be  but these scenarios are probably very accurate.  Thanks

6-5 with 42 scholarships. You talk as if Stig is penciling in 6-5 every year from here on out. Let's see what Stig and his staff do with 51 scholarships next year and 63 the year after that. One thing I have gotten from listening to Stig talk is that he isn't satisfied with anything short of perfection.

[wererabbit]

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Milwaukee jack maybe i do have my head in the sand thats possible. This is my point how is an average coach going to get better in a more intense situation ? The team we had this year is and was very good and i have never said they were crap. In fact i feel this whole area has always underachieved when it comes to athletes.Who knows how many played in div2 just because their really was no choice locally.When the jacks were div2 i think they could have done better(in football)but i really feel that coaching had a lot to do with it. I realize that coaches can have bad years but how many. Soon the excitement of going I-AA will wear off and will we be getting the top recruits out of this area .I dont think so,especially if und would go to I-AA we will be third on the list for top athletes in the area. I am sorry if this is a sore point with you but how long can we keep saying.......THE KING HAS BEAUTIFUL CLOTHES...... when does that vioce out of the pack say,I dont see any clothes.

[Jacks99]

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Even after multiple searches I wasn't able to find the thread where the predictions were made for this season. If anyone can find it, I'd like to look at it.

Anyway, I looked back on my predictions for the season. I went through each game and gave it a W or L.

I'm not bragging but making a point by saying I only missed one game. I had a 7-4 season with a win vs. Cal Poly. I think I was being slightly optimistic with my predictions but not willing to pick big upsets. My point is that we were 7pts. away from my expectations and a few more plays from really exceeding them.

Given the transition period and scholarship situation, I see this season as a success and have to agree that I would like to see less Top 10 teams and more DIAA teams that are more even matchups for us, at least for the next few years.

[Jacks99]

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6-5 with 42 scholarships. You talk as if Stig is penciling in 6-5 every year from here on out. Let's see what Stig and his staff do with 51 scholarships next year and 63 the year after that. One thing I have gotten from listening to Stig talk is that he isn't satisfied with anything short of perfection.

Not to mention that our DI-AA recruiting classes are just starting to see playing time. So really we should be peaking in 3-5 years. How convienient since we will be playoff eligible then.

[wererabbit]

Re: Coaching

I think the jacks were a better team than they played also but i think they could have beat more teams with who they have now. Personally i feel that kardoes would have been used better in helping to shore up the defense.That is just my gut feeling about that, and its pretty big if i might add No im not a kardoes hater in fact i think he would be a monster on the D. I guess i have many other feelings about things of this nature and thats why we have a fan board to talk about it. thanks for comments i know maybe im totally off base with my thoughts it kind of looks like i am since im pretty much the only one saying anything. :-[ I guess that is what opinions are for.

[Jacks99]

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Not sure, but I think you are saying that they are better talent wise than how they actually performed.

It's my opinion that the coaches did a great job of getting the team to play at their highest level most of the time and that's what great coaches do.

You can't convince me that SDSU had just as much talent as Monatana, GSU, Texas St and Cal Poly with all their speed, scholarships and storied programs.

I guess I'm in the same opinion as many others here that say give the program a few more years.

[JACKGUYII]

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It will be interesting to see how many of our current coaches will stick around and how many will find alternative employment that offers more pay and prestige. The nature of the assistant positions at SDSU will continue to be a stepping stone to other jobs until we can increase our pay.

[89rabbit]

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The nature of the postion meens that it will continue to be a stepping stone to other jobs. NDSU had three new assistant coaches for this season, and another that this was his second season with the Bison. Not saying our pay is not an issue because I don't know, but as a I-AA school I think it is unlikely that we will ever have a staff full of long term assistants no matter how much we pay.

Go State! ;D