William Penn

[bisonbacker]

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Did I read right was there only around 4000 for the game? If you paid them 27,500 you guys are having a tough time making any money at that rate. I would have asked them for a refund. ;D

[EQguy]

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[quote author=89rabbit link=1162158255/75#85 date=1162736189]Story from the Argus:

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs...56/1002/SPORTS


Go State!  

I not judging the Argus staff in their layout, but this may be of interest to those out of the area and dont see the print version. The SDSU-William Penn game was on page 6c. USD game story started on Page 1 and finished on 7c and had more length then the SDSU story. The center of attention was the SiouxFall Bowl that is the Sioux Falls schools Roosevelt and OGorman are dominating the playoffs are head to the Dome finals.. So I guess the Argus is putting their readers first, at least they think so.
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I can hardly blame the Argus for this one. USD was in a playoff game essentially and the High School stuff was pretty big around the state yesterday. We were playing an NAIA cream puff in front of 4000 people. It looked like there was at least close to that at the O'Gorman game.

[West_River_Jack]

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I have to agree with EQ here. This game was one that was scheduled when the more appropriate (NCAA d_1AA) opponent backed out. It wasn't a very important game. The front page games were better front page choices this time. Our next two games will be much better page one material.

[Haldersham]

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[quote author=Haldersham link=1162158255/75#86 date=1162737703][quote author=89rabbit link=1162158255/75#85 date=1162736189]Story from the Argus:

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs...56/1002/SPORTS


Go State!  

I am not judging the Argus staff in their layout, but this may be of interest to those out of the area and dont see the print version. The SDSU-William Penn game was on page 6c. USD game story started on Page 1 and finished on 7c and had more length then the SDSU story. The center of attention was the SiouxFall Bowl that is the Sioux Falls schools Roosevelt and OGorman are dominating the playoffs are head to the Dome finals.. So I guess the Argus is putting their readers first, at least they think so.
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I can hardly blame the Argus for this one.  USD was in a playoff game essentially and the High School stuff was pretty big around the state yesterday.  We were playing an NAIA cream puff in front of 4000 people.  It looked like there was at least close to that at the O'Gorman game.
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I was just pointing out to those who do not have access to the print version how the sports section was laid out. I said I was not judging their choices.

What I find  interesting since moving to South Dakota, from a neighboring state,  is that the Argus online version looks very different often from the print verison. I guess those who are part of the SDSU following dont have a problem finding page 6c and I guess Mike H was right when he said SDSU was not part of the Sioux Falls market. Never mind the thousands of readers that do not live in Sioux Falls.

As far as the next two games being front page stories dont count on it unless USD gets their arse handed to them in Grand Forks and with three losses are eliminated from the D2 playoffs. Its the playoff potential you know!!!!

Also SDSU plays on the road, and hopefully our beat writer gets to go alone.

Btw SDSU needed to sell at 15 dollars a piece 1833 tickets to break even on the $27,500 guarentee paid to WP. I dont think we lost money. If you consider season ticket holders and student actitivies fees we could have only 50 people showing up and SDSU made money.

[NightHawk78]

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Unless I'm mistaken, I-AA schools are required to host at least four games per year; hence, it was a necessity to get that last home game, even if Rob had to look under some rocks for an opponent and find William Penn. Almost every school is in the midst of a conference schedule at this point and finding an I-AA opponent is nearly impossible for any games after mid-October.

As for the Argus layout, I haven't seen it, but, the SDSU game wasn't the top sports story of the day in SD. The Argus, however, needs to decide whether if it is really a Sioux Falls paper, an East River paper, or a South Dakota paper. Placing the two SF high school games on Page 1 indicates the first is most likely. As for next week, I doubt that the SDSU game will be a top story due to the 11AAA title matchup/SF lovefest and the USD/UND showdown. Terry might not go to SUU if he's needed at the FB championships (or to serve as Stu's caddy :).

[thebluehatman]

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Terry is gonna be in Ohio next weekend boys.

[NightHawk78]

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(sigh of relief) At least Terry will be covering SDSU men's hoops next weekend. I know the Argus would sometimes have Solari help cover the FB championships and I half-expected Terry to be doing the same since he has extensive experience with high school sports.

[89rabbit]

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We are not the only I-AA to have played William Penn.

Benefit of being in the top 25.

Matt Dougherty's (Sport Network) prediction for the Jacks/Statemen game.

William Penn (NAIA, 4-5) at No. 24 South Dakota State (5-3), 2:00

For the first time since moving to I-AA in 2004, South Dakota State has earned a spot in the top 25. Few would have predicted that success after a loss to Wisconsin-LaCrosse and an 0-3 start to the season, but wins against name programs like McNeese State, Cal Poly and UC Davis have the Jackrabbits on the map and playing as well as just about any team. They had to come back from a late fourth-quarter deficit to beat McNeese State and Cal Poly, and did it again on Saturday with a touchdown pass from Andy Kardoes to Dusty Snyders with 1:08 to play to provide a 22-21 win over the Aggies. The defense has done its job and the offense has come through in the clutch, but the Jackrabbits could really use an opponent that won’t push them into the final minutes. Bring on William Penn, which, for those of you who care, is an NAIA school in Iowa and nicknamed the Statesmen. They are playing a I-AA team for the third year in a row, and lost by 50 to Southern Illinois in 2004 and 28-0 to Maine in 2005. South Dakota State should do the same, and get a tune-up win before trying to close out with a Great West title by winning the final two games. Prediction: South Dakota State 41, William Penn 7



GO STATE!!!!

Go State!

[Jacks99]

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[quote author=EQguy link=1162158255/90#91 date=1162742172][quote author=Haldersham link=1162158255/75#86 date=1162737703][quote author=89rabbit link=1162158255/75#85 date=1162736189]Story from the Argus:

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs...56/1002/SPORTS


Go State!  

I am not judging the Argus staff in their layout, but this may be of interest to those out of the area and dont see the print version. The SDSU-William Penn game was on page 6c. USD game story started on Page 1 and finished on 7c and had more length then the SDSU story. The center of attention was the SiouxFall Bowl that is the Sioux Falls schools Roosevelt and OGorman are dominating the playoffs are head to the Dome finals.. So I guess the Argus is putting their readers first, at least they think so.
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I can hardly blame the Argus for this one.  USD was in a playoff game essentially and the High School stuff was pretty big around the state yesterday.  We were playing an NAIA cream puff in front of 4000 people.  It looked like there was at least close to that at the O'Gorman game.
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I was just pointing out to those who do not have access to the print version how the sports section was laid out. I said I was not judging their choices.

What I find  interesting since moving to South Dakota, from a neighboring state,  is that the Argus online version looks very different often from the print verison. I guess those who are part of the SDSU following dont have a problem finding page 6c and I guess Mike H was right when he said SDSU was not part of the Sioux Falls market. Never mind the thousands of readers that do not live in Sioux Falls.

As far as the next two games being front page stories dont count on it unless USD gets their arse handed to them in Grand Forks and with three losses are eliminated from the D2 playoffs. Its the playoff potential you know!!!!

Also SDSU plays on the road, and hopefully our beat writer gets to go alone.

Btw SDSU needed to sell at 15 dollars a piece 1833 tickets to break even on the $27,500 guarentee paid to WP. I dont think we lost money. If you consider season ticket holders and student actitivies fees we could have only 50 people showing up and SDSU made money.[/quote]

That's assuming it's free to put on a game at SDSU, which is obviously not the case.


As for attendance, I admit I didn't go to the visitors side to get a view of the stands as it must have been well under 80% capacity. More like 50%. I still think big games aren't counting bodies at the game. If the west side holds about 6,500 and a generous estimate of 2,000 standing on the ground, that means the east side holds around 7,000???

[Haldersham]

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That's assuming it's free to put on a game at SDSU, which is obviously not the case.  


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I was responding to a bison poster who thought SDSU lost money in paying 27.5k and having only 4211 people in the stands. The 1833 in ticket sales  at  $15 a ticket would be needed to make the paid quarentee of 27,500 that Terry mentioned in his Friday Argus article. Sure there are other costs, but there are other revenues too such as season ticket holders who did not show up for the game and also student actitivies fee paid for the students who were no shows. Some one is needed to develope a full cost study of the entire game in order to determine the bottom line.

My point is that the game probably did not cost SDSU even after paying WNAX, the Refs, the chain crew and anyone else that would be a game expenditure. It would be hard to factor in coaching salaries and benefits as they are paid for the entire year and some of their salary goes towards paying them for being class room instructors during the week. These costs have no affect on the game expense. Its hard to get a complete cost breakdown unless you are the HPER accountant, which I am not.

My gut instinct tells me that it would have taken a much smaller crowd such as 50 people who where the only ones to buy tickets in order for this game to cash flow into the red ink. If a blizzard had occurred on Saturday, then maybe only 50 ticket holders would have shown, but we still have the seaon ticket revenue so even then its hard to make a case for a negative cash flow.

[Jacks99]

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Sorry, just being nit-picky.

We definetly didn't have much choice in who we filled those two slots this year. Hopefully it won't happen again. I thought the crowd was decent, but if it was only 4,000+ that is dissapointing given the weather and only the fourth home-game.

[89rabbit]

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From the Brookings Register:

http://www.brookingsregister.com/e_e...e_id=e-edition

Jackrabbits crush William Penn

BY LONNY ANDERSON The Brookings Register
Published: November 6th, 2006


Make it six.

  The South Dakota State University football team defeated William Penn (Iowa), 34-3 , at Coughlin Alumni Stadium Saturday to record its sixth consecutive win, giving the program another first.

  SDSU (6-3 ), ranked 24th in NCAA Division IAA for the first time ever, had not strung together six straight wins in 43 years — the last time coming in the 1963 season, when SDSU won its final North Central Conference title.

  The win also assured SDSU its fifth consecutive winning season (the third consecutive in Division IAA play) and the 14th in the past 16 years

  “I’m excited about the win. I’m proud of the way not only this year’s program and these seniors but the way so many guys have worked so hard to continue this program moving in the right direction,” SDSU head coach John Stiegelmeier said.
  “It’s a huge statement or pat on those guys’ backs, and there’s more to come, obviously ... but right now I’m very proud of this team and all the teams that have built the foundation of this great move (to Division I) that South Dakota State has made and is enjoying.”  .   .   .  (read more)

Go State!

[Haldersham]

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Sorry, just being nit-picky.  

We definetly didn't have much choice in who we filled those two slots this year.  Hopefully it won't happen again.  I thought the crowd was decent, but if it was only 4,000+ that is dissapointing given the weather and only the fourth home-game.

No problem, Jack 99 your reference to the game not being free was a good valid point and often part of cost analysis. I am too much of a bean counter to let that one go without a lengthy comment. The Bison can draw 12,000 and pay a guarentee of $50k plus and maybe make money. A person could not say one way or another until a complete cost study was made and that was the point I was making. Often hidden costs out there that need to be considered. The Bison guy who made the comment about losing money was my target and I have not seen him comeback with a post.

I do agree that the game with WP was better than another open date. I guess you could argue that Koenig and Kardoes would be totally healthy if we had had an open date instead of the WP game, but I dont know. The team is about the 55 guys going to SUU on the plane and winning the football game. Its helps to have the leaders playing but sometimes others will step up.

The crowd was much better than what we have had in the past for November games. We have average about 1200 for November games especally when the weather is not good. In my mind there is no doubt our following of football has increased for the entire season as opposed to say 5 years ago.

[1stRowFANatic]

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As for the Argus layout, it should also be pointed out that of the 2 above the fold banners at the top of the page, one had SDSU's score and the location of the article. No mention of USD above the fold, but they did have the story on the bottom of page 1.

[West_River_Jack]

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Sorry, just being nit-picky.  

We definetly didn't have much choice in who we filled those two slots this year.  Hopefully it won't happen again.  I thought the crowd was decent, but if it was only 4,000+ that is dissapointing given the weather and only the fourth home-game.

I know that it has been a long time, but when I started at SDSU in 1977 it seems that a non-Hobo Day crowd of 4000 in September or October was pretty good.  Football is on the rise in popularity at SDSU.