2019 Recruiting List

[slosho]

Re: 2019 Recruiting List

Slosho I would agree with your early statement that 11AA and 11AAA could go back to being in same class. However that only had 16/17 teams in it. In order to get down to 2 classes of 11 man you would have to combine 11A and 11B and that would be over 40 teams. More than likely they would move up some A teams to AA to even it out. I just don't think Lennox needs to be playing Sioux Falls Washington is all.

Fair point. I was how ever really just focusing on 11AA and 1AAAs. So to clarify my statement I really don't think we should have AAA.

[WestSideRabbit]

Re: 2019 Recruiting List

How about Kimball's Bo Donald? Do we land the massive lineman, or do the Bison steal one from our backyard? He's apparently a priority recruit for them.

I'd say he's a priority recruit for SDSU also. Judging by his likes its between us and NDSU. He also follows a number of the coaches for both Wyoming and Nebraska. If he chooses SDSU it would certainly be a big win!

[SoDakPirate]

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This debate has been fun, but time to get back to the recruiting thread. Jacks have one RB commit so far and many of our FCS peers have landed recruiting ranking studs. The latest offer to commit elsewhere is Luke Skokna to Western Illinois.

RB - Luke Skokna, 5'9" 174, Hinsdale, IL - Western Illinois
Offers: UND, Western Illinois, Northern Michigan, Brown, Eastern Illinois, Eastern Kentucky, Stetson

So do we need another running back or will Baily Darnell, the running back out of Auburn, NE, be the only bullet we need in this class for running back? He's worked his way up in the Omaha World Herald's rankings to #16 overall and fourth best linebacker in the class of 2019. The OWH projects him as an outside linebacker or a safety in college.

NebraskaJack, do you have any perspective on Baily? I never get to see high school players from the southeast corner of Nebraska play.

If Tupak from Sioux Falls Washington can get his grades up he could be a very effective running back and a steal.

[GopherHole]

Re: 2019 Recruiting List

How about Kimball's Bo Donald? Do we land the massive lineman, or do the Bison steal one from our backyard? He's apparently a priority recruit for them.

[WestSideRabbit]

Re: 2019 Recruiting List

This debate has been fun, but time to get back to the recruiting thread. Jacks have one RB commit so far and many of our FCS peers have landed recruiting ranking studs. The latest offer to commit elsewhere is Luke Skokna to Western Illinois.

RB - Luke Skokna, 5'9" 174, Hinsdale, IL - Western Illinois
Offers: UND, Western Illinois, Northern Michigan, Brown, Eastern Illinois, Eastern Kentucky, Stetson

So do we need another running back or will Baily Darnell, the running back out of Auburn, NE, be the only bullet we need in this class for running back? He's worked his way up in the Omaha World Herald's rankings to #16 overall and fourth best linebacker in the class of 2019. The OWH projects him as an outside linebacker or a safety in college.

NebraskaJack, do you have any perspective on Baily? I never get to see high school players from the southeast corner of Nebraska play.

Baily will play safety for the Jacks. I think they are still shopping for a back with Evan Hull at the top of the list.

[tbcruiser]

Re: 2019 Recruiting List

1-6, 1-9, 1-11 (total of 3) divisions based on enrollment. Takes all the who has bigger and stronger kid arguements out of it.

[BTownJack]

Re: 2019 Recruiting List

There has not been a Sioux Falls team knocked out of the playoffs by a team outside of Sioux Falls with the exception of Brandon Valley since 2009. We need at least 3 classes of 11 man. Sioux Falls teams playing against the higher enrollment 11A teams could pose a safety issue. They are that much bigger faster stronger.

I have to strongly disagree with this as well.

But proves the point that if a certain subset of teams gets too good, such as the SF teams, let's not try to strive to meet their level of play. Rather, let's just drop down a class or create another class so we don't have to play the mighty SF teams.

It is a philosophical change that needs to occur. I always used to bash the SDHSAA on things like this. But the more I learn the more I understand these decisions are made by the HS athletic directors as they are the ones who vote on these items. Those are the ones who are voting to create more classifications so their school has an easier road to the dome. That's as short sighted as it gets but as long as they have this power, it won't change.

[GopherHole]

Re: 2019 Recruiting List

This debate has been fun, but time to get back to the recruiting thread. Jacks have one RB commit so far and many of our FCS peers have landed recruiting ranking studs. The latest offer to commit elsewhere is Luke Skokna to Western Illinois.

RB - Luke Skokna, 5'9" 174, Hinsdale, IL - Western Illinois
Offers: UND, Western Illinois, Northern Michigan, Brown, Eastern Illinois, Eastern Kentucky, Stetson

So do we need another running back or will Baily Darnell, the running back out of Auburn, NE, be the only bullet we need in this class for running back? He's worked his way up in the Omaha World Herald's rankings to #16 overall and fourth best linebacker in the class of 2019. The OWH projects him as an outside linebacker or a safety in college.

NebraskaJack, do you have any perspective on Baily? I never get to see high school players from the southeast corner of Nebraska play.

[jacksfan29]

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In rural situations schools will schedule their closest competition regardless of classification, it wouldn't be financially feasible to travel to schools only in their classification . Take for instance North Border in 9AA, their six closest competitors in 9AA are from 2 to 2.5 hours away. Now take into account some kids may be driving an hour or more just to get to their new co-op school. The schools then are left with the choice of playing a 7pm game and have kids get home at 1 in the morning or play at 4 in the afternoon with no one in attendance.

Rural schools are a completely different world than what most 11 man schools face.

Having one 9 man division will fix the problem.

[jacksfan29]

Re: 2019 Recruiting List

Yes.

That's a good start. Now drop the other 9 man class so you have one division of 9 man FB along with one 6 man.

[hometownjack]

Re: 2019 Recruiting List

Slosho I would agree with your early statement that 11AA and 11AAA could go back to being in same class. However that only had 16/17 teams in it. In order to get down to 2 classes of 11 man you would have to combine 11A and 11B and that would be over 40 teams. More than likely they would move up some A teams to AA to even it out. I just don't think Lennox needs to be playing Sioux Falls Washington is all.

[slosho]

Re: 2019 Recruiting List

There has not been a Sioux Falls team knocked out of the playoffs by a team outside of Sioux Falls with the exception of Brandon Valley since 2009. We need at least 3 classes of 11 man. Sioux Falls teams playing against the higher enrollment 11A teams could pose a safety issue. They are that much bigger faster stronger.

Disagree.

[NebraskaJack]

Re: 2019 Recruiting List

This thread got massively derailed, so naturally I'll use it as my opportunity to come out of my non-football hibernation and profess for a minute.
Without much knowledge of the situation, I am in support of having 1, I repeat 1, 6-man football class IF that is what is required to still give some of these kids the opportunity to play. I just looked at 2 schools schedules that play 9AA football. 1 of the teams does not have a single other 9AA team on their schedule. All of their opponents are either 9A or 9B. The other team had only half of their schedule made up of other 9AA teams. How does this make sense? Do we have 3 classes of 9 man football to increase opportunities? Do we have 3 classes because the smaller schools can't compete with the larger schools? Scheduling would suggest that's not the case.

Put me in the camp of 2 11-man classes, 1 9-man class, and if necessary...1 6-man class.

In rural situations schools will schedule their closest competition regardless of classification, it wouldn't be financially feasible to travel to schools only in their classification . Take for instance North Border in 9AA, their six closest competitors in 9AA are from 2 to 2.5 hours away. Now take into account some kids may be driving an hour or more just to get to their new co-op school. The schools then are left with the choice of playing a 7pm game and have kids get home at 1 in the morning or play at 4 in the afternoon with no one in attendance.

Rural schools are a completely different world than what most 11 man schools face.

[hometownjack]

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This thread got massively derailed, so naturally I'll use it as my opportunity to come out of my non-football hibernation and profess for a minute.
Without much knowledge of the situation, I am in support of having 1, I repeat 1, 6-man football class IF that is what is required to still give some of these kids the opportunity to play. I just looked at 2 schools schedules that play 9AA football. 1 of the teams does not have a single other 9AA team on their schedule. All of their opponents are either 9A or 9B. The other team had only half of their schedule made up of other 9AA teams. How does this make sense? Do we have 3 classes of 9 man football to increase opportunities? Do we have 3 classes because the smaller schools can't compete with the larger schools? Scheduling would suggest that's not the case.

Put me in the camp of 2 11-man classes, 1 9-man class, and if necessary...1 6-man class.

There has not been a Sioux Falls team knocked out of the playoffs by a team outside of Sioux Falls with the exception of Brandon Valley since 2009. We need at least 3 classes of 11 man. Sioux Falls teams playing against the higher enrollment 11A teams could pose a safety issue. They are that much bigger faster stronger.

[Bits]

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So does the Association intend to drop a 9 man class? Right now South Dakota has 7 classes of football. South Dakota has a population of 870,000. Colorado, my adopted home state for the past 25 years, has a population of 5.6 million and the state has 7 classes of football. In Colorado there is one eight man division and one six man division. The rest of the schools play 11 man football. If South Dakota intends to add a six man division they need to drop, at a minimum 9B football to make me believe that it isn't about a participation trophy.

Montana, at 1 million is probably closest to being like South Dakota in regards to small towns, larger cities/towns and travel. Montana, with a population of 1 million has 5 classes of football. One 8 man, one 6 man, the other 3 play 11 man.

If they really want 6 man football, re-structure. One 6 man, one 9 man, 11B, 11A, 11AA. if they do that I'll accept that it isn't about getting a state tournament participation trophy.

This thread got massively derailed, so naturally I'll use it as my opportunity to come out of my non-football hibernation and profess for a minute.
Without much knowledge of the situation, I am in support of having 1, I repeat 1, 6-man football class IF that is what is required to still give some of these kids the opportunity to play. I just looked at 2 schools schedules that play 9AA football. 1 of the teams does not have a single other 9AA team on their schedule. All of their opponents are either 9A or 9B. The other team had only half of their schedule made up of other 9AA teams. How does this make sense? Do we have 3 classes of 9 man football to increase opportunities? Do we have 3 classes because the smaller schools can't compete with the larger schools? Scheduling would suggest that's not the case.

Put me in the camp of 2 11-man classes, 1 9-man class, and if necessary...1 6-man class.